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- Shadowhawk22, on 11/11/2007, -2/+76What record companies fail to realize is, people will always be able to download CD's, and WILL download CD's. In the end, this doesn't spell disaster for their sales. CD sales had been dropping before Napster anyway, they just wanted to blame someone.
In the end, all the people I know have found artists they love, simply by being able to scan the whole market without spending a dime. Most of those people end up going to a concert, buying the CDs, or simply adding to the craze for an artist, which in the end all help the music industry. The truth is, the music industry is failing. It is just a matter of time before the bottom falls out. Hopefully artists can soon represent themselves, and earn all the money they deserve. - inactive, on 11/11/2007, -9/+56CD are ***** Retarded in todays world. except for my PC i dont even have any device capable of playing a CD. when i do buy albums i end up ripping it and then ditching the CD somewhere in my closet from where it comes out 2 or three years later and then goes directly into the trash can. the day of physical media is gone. we need digital distribution at a justfied rate and DRM free.
- scuczu, on 11/07/2007, -1/+45http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/ ...
The actual report, full of fun statistics - Roger, on 11/05/2007, -3/+38CD-R's maybe
- spect3r, on 11/07/2007, -2/+31If I want to check out a new band, I'm not going to spend $20 on a single CD; and no the listen before you buy kiosks don't work for me either.
I would, however, spend $5 - $8 on a new CD and not feel completely ripped off if I ended up not liking the "product". Which is why I downloaded radiohead's CD, listend to it, then went back and gave 5 English Pounds.
That way, I know the money is (mostly) going to the artist, not the recording company who consistently thinks that $15 - $20 for a CD is a good deal. You couldn't give me enough cover art and extra material to spend that much on 10 tracks- 1 or 2 of which I probably will only like.
I don't think piracy is the answer, I think the method and price that records are sold need to change. - linkcma, on 11/07/2007, -1/+22One possible (at least for some portion of the big buyers of CDs) explanation is that people are buying fewer CDs because with P2P access, they are better able to determine in advance what they will or will not like. So instead of buying some number of CDs on speculation because no practical means of thorough sampling existed, as was the case before the internet, they are now buying fewer CDs because they have identified those they know they won't like through this sampling opportunity from P2P access. And maybe this reduction in buying is mitigated in part by having discovered some CDs through sampling that they would never have considered without P2P.
- skoles, on 11/07/2007, -1/+21I still enjoy owning the physical media in its highest form of quality in case something happens to my digital copies. It's nice to have out so that people can see your different tastes in music and they themselves can discover new music. Remember how you used to find new bands? Mostly by picking through friends collections.
BT is that on a mostly larger scale. I tend to check the artists website to for samples first, then download the album to try it out, then end up buying it if I like it. - Ajajadude, on 11/05/2007, -0/+17I've bought CDs from artists I never would've even considered purchasing if I hadn't first downloaded some of their songs, listened to those songs, and realized that their music was good enough to actually own. That's pretty much how I've done things for about 6 years now...I basically see it as a test drive of sorts. If I don't like the music, I delete (why would I want to keep music I don't like anyway?).
Of course, I've pretty much stopped buying albums released under RIAA labels. It blows since I'm missing out on some bands I love, but that's the statement I feel like making. - topapito, on 11/04/2007, -1/+16Math is math. How many times do you have to do it before you get the same answer?
- CraigCarlyle, on 11/05/2007, -0/+15Everyone should send this to the CRIA, we need Demonoid back, dammit!
- topapito, on 11/04/2007, -0/+15What needs to change is the business model. Too much of the money is going into the wrong pockets. The industry needs to slim down, get lean, and change the way it does business IF it wants to survive. The lawsuits spell only one thing, it is running scared. I am not a down loader, but am a businessman, and this business is as good as gone. Instead of spending their time chasing the down loaders (customers), they should be researching for a new business model before they are all out of jobs. Only industry I've ever seen biting the hand of those who feed it.
- brentinkc, on 11/05/2007, -1/+15There is no longer a need for the music industry. We don't need people to "discover" young talent and force-feed it to us. If you have a camera and a computer, congratulations, you have a band. In other words, we get to do away with the middle man. People who produce good music that people like will always be able to perform concerts, sell cd's, etc. to make money, and listeners will have an ever-widening variety of music to listen to. The only people getting screwed are the executives. ***** 'em!
- roebeet, on 11/07/2007, -0/+13Until I can download anything I want in a lossless and DRM-free format, I will continue to buy CD's (assuming they are still around).
- ImperatorTerrae, on 11/04/2007, -0/+13Lots of the people I know pirate the music, then buy the vinyl, because that's the cool thing to do now. Piracy isn't an attempt to fight the man, it's simply a way of saying that something is wrong. Cracking down on pirates won't make CD sales go up. Ever.
- phoomp, on 11/04/2007, -0/+12As opposed to all those "studies" that the RIAA has to the contrary?
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -0/+9True, but you should not spam it like that. It is EXTRAORDINARILY hard to prove, based on survey research, that a relationship is cause/effect for a complex behavior outside of a laboratory controlled experiment (and even then it is tough). When I read this study it just seems to me that people who use p2p would tend to be people who buy more music anyway. So if you freeze that population at any point in time there will probably be a positive correlation with p2p use and CD purchases.
If they can complete a 10 year longitudinal study that shows that increasing p2p use correlates with increasing CD purchases now then you'd have something. You would still not be able to prove causation but you would not much care because the hypothesis that p2p use decreases CD purchases would then be in doubt. If there were a whole slew of such studies then youdd even be able to form a consensus. - MrWhipplemen, on 11/05/2007, -0/+9"A recent study on the impact of filesharing on CD sales shows that the more music people download on P2P-networks, the more CDs they buy."
Yeah Blank ones - dimplemonkey, on 11/05/2007, -0/+8Is the RIAA singing, "Blame Canada" or downloading it?
- HonoredMule, on 11/04/2007, -0/+7It's not that the CRIA doesn't know pirating leads to CD sales...they DO know, and they also know that it leads to a much higher percentage of those sales going through independent labels and artists, because the format of promotion isn't one they control and dominate. THAT'S the real reason they don't like p2p. Big labels can't be grass roots and they can't compete with non-corporatized artists on a level playing field.
It's important to the CRIA that you have to guess what you'll like based on what's marketed to you...by only them. - Toco8804, on 11/04/2007, -7/+14i knew that some people bought music they downloaded and liked but i thought it was more of the exception then the rule
- Sairgem, on 11/04/2007, -0/+7It's a bad thing because imported CD's cost a fortune. One CD may cost you $25 or more. The only sane way of getting foreign music right now is to pirate it.
- masterofgrond, on 11/04/2007, -1/+7Some people may do that, but I support artists I like. I have purchased probably 15 to 20 albums from bands I never would have listened to had it not been for p2p.
- DanielKongos, on 11/04/2007, -5/+11Clearly this study is just a reflection that people who are more interested in music buy more music. The people who download a lot of music would be buying a lot of music if it weren't for P2P. Music has become de-valued partly because of the ***** that the labels put out and partly because people expect music for free (and can get music for free) and have no attention spans making it much harder for artists to develop long term careers. Also that fact that America has less culture than yogurt doesn't help. Ron Paul rulez, apple is the best, Tren Reznor is a genius, Richard Dawkins is god.
- iisonly, on 11/04/2007, -0/+6just my 1st thought
- CH3CH2OH, on 11/04/2007, -0/+6Well actually, sure. If you read the hypothesis section of the study, the authors of the study make reference to numerous other studies that have come to different conclusions. However, the author also cites other studies showing the opposite. This, in effect, affirms the study's conclusion, which is that piracy has no net effect on people above the age of 15.
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/ ...
What does that mean? Read the study, read another study, and come to your own conclusions. Be skeptical. - hawkspur, on 11/04/2007, -0/+6Just what everyone likes...blogspam.
- masterofgrond, on 11/05/2007, -1/+7If it weren't for bittorrent I would never have found my current favorite band, The Trews, because it was next to impossible to find their albums in a store near me until relatively recently, and until I never would have given them a second thought. Now, since originally downloading their albums, I have since purchased both, as well as seen them live about a half dozen times. These are albums and concerts I never would have bought or seen otherwise, so yes, "piracy" did increase album sales in my case. Moreover, this is not the only band that this has happened for.
Also. Please God, at least TRY to work on your spelling, it's horrendous and makes my eyes bleed and you really need to make sure you don't sound like an idiot when questioning the intelligence of others. - inactive, on 11/04/2007, -0/+6I have. Many times.
- Sketchcast, on 11/04/2007, -0/+6Ding-ding, you hit the nail on the head!
- Pritchard, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5Don't Copy That Floppy! --- Slogan from when Floppies were around, as you recall. Everyone did it, and it was so terrible of a thing that technology only barely managed (by about 1000x their original investments) to move into the era of CDs, DVDs, and now some other *****.
- warriorscot, on 11/04/2007, -1/+6If something is really good i will get it, sometimes you cant be sure about music and download it to see if you like it and either buy that album or buy the next one, I discovered allot of great bands I listen to all the time but would never have heard if I hadnt downloaded them on a whim or recommendation, and even more bands that I couldn't even buy the CDs if i tried.
Sure you wont buy everything but I probably wouldn't buy any at all if I hadn't heard them before by download and just stuck to the radio, I think allot of people are like that especially if you can't afford to waste money on things like that. - hawkspur, on 11/04/2007, -1/+6CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL!
- Vaeduus, on 11/04/2007, -2/+7Interpreting results, however, takes practice ;)
- RogerStrong, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5I've downloaded songs, liked them, and bought the album. Then bought other albums by the same artist.
- warriorscot, on 11/07/2007, -0/+5I don't think that is true, there is still something to be said for the higher quality available and actually having the disk, I burn my ripped music to DVD to back it up because no hard drive will last forever you can literally wake up one morning and it has kicked the bucket and you've lost all that music not to mention if i had to do away with CDs I would want lossless and my collection in lossless would fill several decent sized hard drives. And I like to have them for when I drive as well, ive got a massive digital collection but I still keep some CDs for various reasons and getting rid of them entirely is just a terrible idea.
- xero7, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5How is that a bad thing? Music is music.
- grumpyrain, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4Oops, I forgot about that, because we all know that the 7000 CDs can be read without requiring any electricity to spin.
7000 CDs weigh 112KG or about 250 pounds. - grumpyrain, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4Considering that a modern 500GB hard drive can hold nearly 7,000 CDs worth of music, I am going to go out on a limb here and claim that 1 hard disk has less of an environmental impact then printing, stamping, and shipping 7000 CDs.
- FluffyWolf, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4I believe he lives in Europe, you know the place where online piracy is the most popular for some strange reason. And yes $20 is the ordinary price in my country, to which sales tax is then added.
- kufu91, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4well just think about it, if i read a bunch of books at the library, when i go to the bookstore i'll know what authors i like, my favorite publishers, and be able to tell faster if i like a book or not.
- WolfDV, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5I know piracy (oink.cd rip) has helped me find out bands i never knew i liked... then went to see them in concerts, and have also bought purchased a few cds/dvds of bands i found and loved due to these sites
They helped out the music community, my musically knowledge has increased vastly because of sites like Oink, the oinkplus scripts were great in finding similar artists and expanding your tastes in music.
I have since moved to other sites, and continue to find out about new groups and artists via p2p ... i have been going to more concerts/shows/venues than ever before, many of these groups i would not have found or liked without first being able to preview their music on sites like these...
say what you will, but some piracy does help to promote music - Nerys, on 11/08/2007, -0/+4Labels hate me. I buy TONS of cd's but NEVER give them a penny. you see I check out any CD I want and if its from a major RIAA label I refuse to buy it new. I only buy it USED so they get "nothing" this is how I send my message :-) I always try to buy DIRECT from the artists if possible.
- Tarnum, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4If we could preview an entire album at 32kbps sound quality, we wouldn't buy 80% of the albums, we'd buy otherwise, because they are crap. Is that what the labels want? No, of course. We all know that most of the albums contain 1 or 2 good pieces, and the rest is crap.
- canthraxp, on 11/04/2007, -6/+10first: "***** RIAA".
second: They really expect me to buy an stupid album without even listening to it? What happens if I listen just 1 or 2 songs and the rest of the album is crap.
third: How I'm gonna discover new music inside the store? Why I would try out those cornered music nobody's buying, when I could take the easy choice and just buy already tested groups, never giving a hand to new groups. - ptsd, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5its not that cd sales go up or down. thats not the problem. record companies sign massive deals with big name groups and singers like metalica and madonna, then they spend millions and millions and millions of dollars on marketing for those groups. in the past people are affected by the marketing
and buy their music and t-shirts and beanie caps...metalica brand dish detergent, madonna label toilet scrubber.
because of p2p the record industry can no longer control what you buy. they loose money on useless marketing and printing millions of copies of cds that will never get sold.
p2p may boost cd sales, but it also takes away the recording industries ability to regulate and control the market...control what you buy. p2p is better for the average artist, bad for the huge conglomerate corporation that wants to have complete control over every facet of your life. - Blacula, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3except we use DVD-Rs now for storage, go back to 2002.
- phlebitis, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3History. Exactly. Listen to yourself. Times have changed and we need to move on.
Millions of people on YouTube have nothing new to offer the world. The one that does will catch on quicker than any marketing campaign could ever spread. - raithetarkon, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3I agreed with the first part of your comment, but just what about the last 4 things suggest "less culture than yogurt" to you?
- Chaoticfist, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3Your just a loser. Women are just as equal to men in every aspect(i am a guy so u no) They deserve our respect just like we should get their respect. Your just a moron. Welcome to the 21st century pal things are gona stay like this.
- joot2112, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3so true! P2P circumvents the conspiring corporate ***** who pick songs to play over and over on the radio in the hopes that repetition will result in popularity. Smaller bands, local bands, have more of a chance now -- this is a TRUE free market with REAL competition -- and Big Business hates a truly free market!
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