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- Jeffrey903, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Exactly. This probably is a way by the networks to prevent skipping over commericials and to get better nielsen ratings.
- longman2g, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What the cable companies should do is just make avaliable for streaming everything they have shown. There will be no need for hard drives, so you won't have to pay for that. They will allow you to pause and rewind the show, but disable that feature for commercials so the companies paying for comercials will pay more knowing that they can't be skipped, and with them paying more, it translates to you paying less.
- DASH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sounds kinda like a "On Demand" type of deal.
- TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5How are users going to be able to pause/rewind live TV if there's no local hard drive? That's just as useful a feature for me as the built-in recording.
- TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, the stuff on their servers, but how would that happen with live TV? They would probably have to have some sort of virtual cache, which I don't see being nearly as responsive as the hard drive based DVR. Rewinding and Fastforwarding on-demand content is much more unresponsive than pre-recorded media on the DVR.
- Yankees368, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5DVR? I still use my Sanyo 15 year old VCR. It works when I tell it to work and I dont have to worry about copy protection! ANALOG ALL THE WAY!
- JuliusErving, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Did you get physical popups when you clicked or just banner ads? I don't get any popups when i go to the site.
- srusso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3that, well if that’s the case then how about cablevision just allowing all customers to watch what ever they want without having to recorded anything it would make it simple, and for their sake just a month after air date it is gone.
- xhadow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Whats probably going to be the biggest issue is that Itunes and everyone else in that type of business will arguee that this technology puts them out of business because if I can time shift certain shows until I can hook my TV tuner up to my tv to record lost every week then I don't have to pay anyone 1.99 for a poor quality recording. Then I can compress one for my Ipod and record the other to a DVD-R and call it a day. Since they are all greedy and don't want to loose a potential dime expect this to get blocked or tied up in court for copyright infringment, although there isn't any there.
- baronmon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3All Cablevision's on-demand services can be paused, rewound and fast forwarded whether you have a box with a hard drive or not.
- CubeFarmDrone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If this means I can record more than two shows at once then I'm in.
- Sparklehorse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Probably the same way that you can pause and rewind a pay-per-view or video on demand service. I can pause a movie I "rented" and rewind even though the movie is stored on Time Warner's central office equipment.
- dvws, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2it sounds exactly like on demand...only you would get to request what programs were availiable instead of only selecting from their static lineup.
- TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yup. I'll stick with my hard-drive based DVR and skip the commercials, thank you!
- maverick999, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Depending on how they implement this, it could be awesome for the consumer or terrible. If they have full access to download their shows to an existing DVR, then that's awesome. However, if they're required to stream these shows from one of Cablevision's servers, then this is a bad idea.
- suicidal-kid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well thats a shame. I'm swiching to Verizon soon.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Pluses for tech like this..
1. Cable co. gets to send out el cheapo set top boxes with no hard drives, just a little ram for caching content. Saves money.
2. Cable co. spends less time sending techs out to replace boxes with failed hard drives and other moving-parts-hardware related problems, therefore saving money on support.
3. Cable co. controls what you watch, when you watch it, AND they can build and sell all kinds of statistics as granular as your address and zip code. Which leads us to number 4.
4. Accurate statistics leads to accurately targeted commercials. If you watch a ton of sci-fi, you get ads interspersed with spots from local sci-fi conventions or whatever.
5. Cable co. can put any commercial anywhere in a broadcast if they're hosting it all. They can even have smash-up ads during shows you watch (the kind that appear as a banner at the bottom).
6. Customers get what they want, which is choice, and they're not chained to the broadcaster's schedules. On Demand (Comcast) has already given people a taste of what this technology is capable of.
Minuses:
1. Targeted ads will probably be pretty annoying...when (not if) they're implemented.
2. Since the control is on the other end, the interface (is) will be slow.
3. Also since the control is on the other end, you may not be able to record the shows to a local device or even skip commercials they want you to see.
4. As if the mpg streams on digital cable aren't bad enough quality with heavy, artifact-laden compression, if every show you watch is digital, it'll make you hate your HDTV investment.
- althe3rduww, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I wonder if they are presuming this will work for HD content, not just standard def tv. I have the moxi box as an HD DVR currently. Do they really think they can push that much content to that many people without problems? HD would require a fat pipe.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Sort of on the same topic:
Last year, when I had Comcast installed I asked the installer if they were ever going to have a solution to view DVR content on televisions that didn't have the DVR. After all, why should I spend $10 per television just to be able to broadcast DVR content on it? After all, there's only one of me so it isn't like i can watch four shows on four TVs in four rooms simultaneously.
Anyway, the installer said that Comcast was working on satelites, so that you could plug a little satelite in stream content from your main DVR to it and even record from the satelite to the main DVR. Seems like a good idea. Same thing as Cablevision here, only local instead of remote. - DeejayLupo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Being a customer of theirs, in my experience Cablevision (Optimum) can't handle their customers' *current* bandwidth needs as it is. Will this save them bandwidth or cost them bandwidth?
On the one hand, shows that are recorded but never watched will never have to actually be sent across the network, and I'm sure a lot of people record shows that they never end up watching.
On the other hand, if you watch one recording several times it has to stream over the network every single time. - EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Lawsuit in 3... 2... 1...
The entertainment industry hates DVRs. They hate DVRs hosted by your cable company even more. Don't ask me why, it makes no sense to me. Some diggers mentioned cable companies providing every show on demand. It has already been proposed (Timer Warner?) and cancelled due to pressure from Big Content. They get their panties all in a bunch thinking about lost sales of their $59.99 box sets. - Doubledown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3MythTV....
Learn it, Live it, Love it...... - loker269, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1all the cable companies have been talking about this for a while.....it is interesting to finally see someone take the leap and run a test market....
- brandonhines, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2God? You listening?
Thanks. - madc0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nice! I have IO (Their premium cable servise) and I hope to get this soon.
- DavisFreeberg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It's a cool service and all, but shouldn't we start flagging any site on digg that uses popup windows in their article. I'd much rather see some blogger's coverage without the popups, then to get a crappy Expedia ad from USAToday.
- rhsjr7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1^^^^
"Although it works just like TiVo and other digital video recorders (DVRs) %u2014 consumers choose in advance which shows to capture and can fast-forward through ads %u2014 the recording itself will be stored at the cable system, not on a hard drive in the consumer%u2019s home."
Take Care All.
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http://rhsjr7.blogspot.com/ - us3ecandme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, I'm calling cablevision tomorrow to find out all about this. As much as I hate it though, I'll still be keeping my TiVo for a while.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would pay for the Time Warner Mystro option. Every show aired over the last month on-demand with pause/ff/rewind sounds like a great way to watch tv.
- orbitalleader, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Time-Warner already offers many shows and whole networks on demand, with pause and play capabilities. How is this any different?
- jak119, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think Cablevision should focus on improving the quality of picture in the Connecticut area and then undertake these projects.
- loker269, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this will all be internal.....they should have absolutely no problem handling this traffic
- pneill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not gonna happen. It's not fair use. The reason you can use VCRs and DVRs is that the consumer is exercising their fair use rights. In case of the cable company they're going to cache all the shows and then allow you to access their cache. That's not fair use. That's the cable company trying to get you to pay twice for a service you already paid for.
- JuliusErving, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's not on demand:
"Although it works just like TiVo and other digital video recorders (DVRs) — consumers choose in advance which shows to capture and can fast-forward through ads — the recording itself will be stored at the cable system, not on a hard drive in the consumer's home."
With on demand you are given a preselected amount of content by your cable company, be it movies, tv shows, etc. This is content that has already aired and expires after a while when your cable company decides to release new on demand content. - zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is just dumb.
I have a myth TV box with 1TB of space.
Not only does it save cable TV, I can play content I've downloaded from other sources.
No monthly fee's and the cable company can't hold my TV shows for ransom.
All I want from the a cable company is all I can eat broadband without them bitching about
being a "netpig, hog, whatever. - loker269, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1neither of those comparisons are the same thing.....
- nytechy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Optimum Boost from Cablevision is awesome. I've had it for a few weeks now, and I usually get 28 Mbps Down / 2 Mbps up, even during peak hours. I download episodes of DL.TV at 3.2 MB/s.
- rhsjr7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It states in the article that you have to set a show before it airs for this usage, therefore it's still within fair use guidelines.
- JuliusErving, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can't take your ignorance. Take a look at this article:
http://news.com.com/ComcastTimeWarnerbackCablevisionDVRplan/2100-1033_3-6056149.html?tag=nefd.top
Now why would comcast be backing a service that it has already been providing "for the past 1.5 years"? - kweber103, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OMG! And i just got the Cablevision DVR
this is going to be Cool
Now i just need Boost from Cablevision and get my 30/2 Speeds! - icejaguar, on 03/19/2008, -0/+0I always love my Comcast DVR
http://shop.newmirror.com - dengar69, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"DVR? I still use my Sanyo 15 year old VCR. It works when I tell it to work and I dont have to worry about copy protection! ANALOG ALL THE WAY!"
I guess you wont be watching the Super Bowl in HD anytime soon. :) - hollywoodone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have the Cablevision DVR now, and this sounds like a good idea mainly because it's cheaper, but I don't know if i want to make public what I record.
- Kincaid5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Being in Ad sales for a cable company, this is the type of tech that scares me.
- honeymanwirt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Not bad, i like this idea.
- pneill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think this is an example of what's known as an interesting point of law. Consider the following case.
Suppose the cable company had banks and banks of VCRs. Each VCR was dedicated to each user and the user could remotely program the VCR to record a show. Is that fair use? Maybe. If the cable company gives away the service, then probably the answer is "yes." If they charge you? Maybe not? How's different that pay-per-view?
Now consider this case. Do you think the cable company is going to record a show 100 different times if 100 different users request it? No. They're record it once on THEIR computer and allow you to access the file if you requested it in advance. In this case it's not your equipment, it's their equipment and it's a lot like buying a bootleg copy or pay-per-view.
This is not a simple fair use case and will almost certainly be litigated. - GeekChallenged, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Can anyone tell me how to download content from the Comcast box to I can archive to a vcr or dvd? Thanks
- bubbazanetti, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I am happy with my Dishnetwork DVRs (3), life couldn't get much better...I can watch the recorded shows even if for some reason the dish went out...never has, but anything could happen...
Of course my cable has gone out for days at a time...lot of good remote storage will do there... - Wuss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0CAN I ASK WHY THIS IS NEWS?!?!!??!
As far as I know ( and someone shoot me if I'm wrong ), Comcast DVR has ALWAYS worked like this, and I've had Comcast DVR for the past 1.5 years.
The main disadvantage of this type of system is the fact that you don't have direct access to the raw video files on the DVR, for ripping/burning purposes. That, and the fact that my DVR lags the same time my Comcast internet goes out, etc.
Again, WHY IS THIS NEWS?!?!? How does something like this get this many diggs without anyone realizing that it's about as spectacular as "Moon rises after Sun". - chuckeroo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Hmmm, genious, they should call it "usenet" 8-)
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