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- OneManArmy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+250"CNet joines the HD-DVD fun"
I think you meant: "CNet finds one more way to get Digg traffic by writing about the fiasco." - Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -61/+238Before the comments are overrun by people criticizing the 'rebellion', here's an explanation for those who don't understand it:
It wasn't about 'the numbers'
It wasn't about 'free speech'
It wasn't 'just a bunch of immature whining teenagers'
What Digg did went beyond any DMCA or legal issue. They censored stories and comments that had nothing to do with 'the numbers'. They went beyond simply deleting the offending content, and deleted user accounts.
Lots of people were banned just for talking about the censorship or criticizing digg! Posts like this one were getting peoples accounts deleted.
The Digg staff showed their true colors yesterday. They do censor, and have censored in the past, anything that they just don't like for whatever reason. THATS what prompted the rebellion more than anything.
If they need to delete 'the numbers' then fine! it's the law, we get it. But all you need to do is delete the number thats ALL. They went beyond that and started deleting whole stories, stories that only linked to 'the numbers', stories that simply discussed 'the numbers', and stories that discuss the censorship? HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY THAT?
Digg lost a lot of credibility yesterday, if you don't agree then you probably don't belong here. Go watch Fox news and fly your 'corporate shill' flag all you want. - cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+63The funny thing is Digg traffic has spiked to a new all time high, new accounts are being created at a new record rate, and in the end ad revenue is going thru the roof, veteran readers are going to Digg.com more times and staying longer, all due to a "revlot".
If this is a "revolt", or the "end of Digg", then where can I sign up! I want a "revolt"! This is a "revolt" that Kevin Rose will ride all the way to the bank...
If you really want to hurt Digg, stay away, go home, do not point your browser to www.digg.com... - combustion8, on 10/12/2007, -3/+62hell no, I want hd-dvd now more than ever!
- directedition, on 10/12/2007, -11/+62I wonder if the first protesters to march on Capitol Hill were called children. In the land of Digg, this is about as close as you can get to a protest, or full on revolt.
I think Kevin Rose demonstrated some real integrity in this. He did what he felt was best at first by complying with a legal threat. His users revolted. In the end he decided to bow to the will of the users, realizing it would be best to go down fighting.
Let's face it, if not for the revolt, the number would still be getting buried by digg staff. It was the only way to get the message across that we won't stand for such ridiculous censorship. Was it extreme? Sure it was, but it was necessary. Especially today in the US, where we no longer have any REAL protests IRL and have resigned ourselves to a corrupt government. But Digg is something we still believe in, and maintaining its integrity is something worth risking the future existence of the site.
It wasn't a uncontrollable mob. You'll notice the flood ended when Kevin Rose gave in the users demands. It was at that point I, and everyone else, considered the revolt officially over. All that's left now is a few trolls who post the number just because they can, not for any real reason and are buried as such by users. Digg is back to normal, free as it ever was, thanks to extreme measures to maintain that freedom.
Most of what gets censored is censored for good reason (as Kevin says, porno, illegal activity, etc) and it's hard to figure out where the line is drawn. You can be sure as Digg staff are going to step carefully the next time they censor. - locnguyen, on 10/12/2007, -27/+77Digg is full of children
- EbowUK, on 10/12/2007, -21/+62Dear Digg admins,
Can we have a HD-DVD section added please so the rest of us can avoid this ***** while we try to read something interesting?
Thanks,
Digg Users who don't care about the HD-DVD thing anymore - CJosiah, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39I have yet to get my account back. -chesterjosiah
- NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29That's "rites," sir.
- gasull2, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27No, my old account isn't back:
http://www.digg.com/users/gasull - IMOG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Mcatrage: There have been no public statements, which leads me to believe its safe to assume "no, deleted or banned accounts have not been reinstated".
mikefitz2: There is nothing relevant to reinstatement of banned accounts on blog.digg.com as of 1200 EDT. - KarbonKopy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21For the record I only posted it twice, and sent them a email apologizing and got the account back. I am not a spammer, but was sticking up for what I saw us digg being un-digg like.
- weitek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18if you don't want to read about it then why are you reading a thread about it?
- directedition, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I like how they call 'diggs' 'recommendations'. It threw me off at first.
- Coinspinner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I am not so sure Digg decided to "fight censorship", I think it is more that they looked around and noticed that it was a battle of odds like Little Bighorn, and they got to play the part of Custer.
There were so many creative ways to post that code that they simply could not keep up.
They had to give in, and they put their best face on it as possible.
Still people, c'mon, they had a tough choice to make in a short period of time. Lawyers scare any legit company, I think people are going a little far in deriding Digg as the new Satan.
America has quietly let so many rights be lost (mainly in the name of the Holy Drug War), but man, you step on Free Speech and people go friggin' bezerk. (serious digression: that is what will make the upcoming Bong-hits-for-Jesus ruling so fascinating because it is the case of unstoppable object (drug war) hitting and unmovable object (free speech). - KarbonKopy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Send a email to abuse@digg.com and let them know you are sorry for causing trouble. You don't have to agree with their reasons, but let them know you will be a little more careful in the future. What do they have to gain by banning everyone?
- stratman05, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13There's a deeper issue.
Does ANYONE actually care if digg goes down? People will jump ship to another site. Content is the king here. The reason Jay and Kevin were pleading is that they have EVERYTHING to lose. Look at how many people have moved on to Reddit.
Kevin and Jay stand to lose millions of dollars from this. I could care less. They are not DIRECTLY responsible for anyone making money. Sure, digg may drive traffic to your blog, or you might get exposure from a story. But there are tons of other sites to do that.
They are taking a gamble on this. I would NOT be surprised to see them sell digg soon, otherwise they are morons. This should show them that no user base is loyal, unless they recieving something back. It has to be a two way street to make it work. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19For everyone that says yesterday was childish , then don't complain about DRM, Since you don't mind buying your music in 4 different formats to listen to the same song/songs. Same with Your videos. I don't want to hear anyone say " i own the hddvd but now i have to pay again so i can watch it on the pc" For those people, all i have to say is 09-f9-11-04-9d-74-e5-5b-d8-43-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
- dime, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12"Only simple minds can think holding a sign makes them revolutionaries."
How about holding a sign, then being arrested, beaten, having their house firebombed... etc...
I mean, if we could start personally beating the ***** out of everyone that spammed the site, it could be different. Let's work something out! - markab, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I don't believe the MPAA will fight this one. It's gotten WAY out of hand, and the cat's out of the bag.
If they turned digg into their Alamo, it would create more publicity than they could sensibly want. Already their S&D letter backfired at epic levels, I for one had no clue that HD-DVD had been cracked, nor cared. I never would of bothered to look further into it, but after the freak-show that took place yesterday I'm more informed on HD-DVD and the fact it can now be unlocked like normal DVD's.
Talk about kicking the proverbial hornets nest, they did it with their S&D letter and the digg folks trying to comply. It's not going to be digg who's stung by this one, but the MPAA themselves. - dime, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14"I wonder if the first protesters to march on Capitol Hill were called children. In the land of Digg, this is about as close as you can get to a protest, or full on revolt."
Except, of course, it consists of people sitting on their computer in their air conditioned homes, immune to any harm, rather than people risking life, health and security to travel to a location and face their oppressors head on.
Only on the internet can simple minds think mouseclicks make them revolutionaries. - schnikies79, on 10/12/2007, -11/+18^ Thank you.
Some of us simply don't give a ***** and are tired of hearing about it. - Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11@apotropaic
I fully support them "doing what they have to do to not get sued" In fact thats exactly what they should have done and this never would have blown up.
All that was required of them legally was to remove the any instances of 'the numbers' from the website.
So why didn't they just delete the numbers? who knows, maybe there's a good explanation. IF there is, we certainly haven't heard it. Instead they deleted and banned any discussion(including legitimate discussion) on the topic.
Then, to add insult to injury, and fan the flames a bit, they started deleting and banning any discussion of censorship. Are we not allowed to discuss censorship on Digg? Are we not allowed to speak ill of Digg in any way or discuss their policies? Time will tell... - salinemist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Every digg user was free to create their own website and post they key on it. digg trying to protect itself is NOT censorship, instead it's just painfully obvious it has a user base full of clueless and cowardly twits.
- directedition, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Only simple minds can think holding a sign makes them revolutionaries.
- WarpFox, on 10/12/2007, -21/+27Hey, Kevin said he wont ban anymore, and is now risking possible legal action, or even worse- loss of sponsorship dollars.
But he said he'd go down with the ship with us, so I'm behind him again :) - actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8"I wonder if the first protesters to march on Capitol Hill were called children"
If they were 14 years old like the protesters here, then yes, I suspect they were called children. - actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10The ascii idiots get blocked first.
- hutectro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I can see why Kevin Rose banned the stories he is trying to prevent from being sued and to prevent being in trouble
with the Government-----and I'm sure most Diggers can see that -----if i was put in same position i would most likely do the same thing -----He has lot of money and and time he put into this web site and I'm sure he does not want to
just throw it away over ONE ARTICLE. - teaguehopkins, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@weitek (#6469327)
Because, like moths to a flame, trolls are attracted to anything that gives them an excuse to bitch. - echinatl, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15I think it's a mistake to block everyone that is posting the code. Digg did something a majority of it's users didn't like. No matter if they were justified in doing it (I think they technically were, but I didn't like it), most people didn't like the way they went about it (banning users). The posting of a standard response didn't help either, it felt cold. If they had said something like "we just don't want to risk the site we all love, so can you all help us out and not post the code anymore", I think the community would have rallied around them. I never posted the code (didn't see the need since it was everywhere) but I dugg the people and stories that did. People stood up against censorship and I thought it was great. It was exiting to be a part of something like that. I saw a lot of posts where long time members were posting for the first time because they felt so passionately about this. This will all blow over in time, just keep doing what we always do, bury the stories you don’t like, and digg the ones you do.
- lotion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I challenge anyone who has posted the hex key to tell me exactly what you do with it.
- SirBotchness, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ warpfox
"Hey, Kevin said he wont ban anymore, and is now risking possible legal action, or even worse- loss of sponsorship dollars.
But he said he'd go down with the ship with us, so I'm behind him again :)"
What the hell are you going to lose out of this if digg gets taken down? A few measly hours on the internet? Quit being so goddamn selfish. - Kamatz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Because it was spam, and the links that were submitted were not related, if they were to kept them they would have been giving the message that spamming in Digg is okay, whether or not you believe it was "protest" or "a noble thing" it is spam, bottom line.
- epohs, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Any problem I had with it was limited to the users who were just posting the number and that's it. No context or intelligent dialog involved whatsoever.. simply spamming a number repeatedly and devaluing the site for nearly everyone.
Those people got blocked. - KarbonKopy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Hate to break it to you, but a good majority of the traffic here are 'nerds' and 'geeks' so get over it.
- TheSexyGeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Digg lost a lot of credibility yesterday, if you don't agree then you probably don't belong here."
Hmmm. . . .this one confuses me. If I think that Digg is just as credible as it was, then I should leave, but if I think it's NOT as credible then I should stay?
You guys kill me. lol - Dolomite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4the only one left with any credibility in this organization is Kevin Rose, he is the only one standing up to the admins who are blocking distribution of the code.
86753 "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" HD, I got your number!... - actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2On the other hand, not fighting makes them look soft on the issue. They are between a rock and a hard place.
- bairy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Perhaps, though I have yet to see evidence that you can copyright a bunch of numbers, but it could have been handled so much better.
Here's the thing. If the first story had been left alone, it would have slid off the front page and no one would have cared. It was deleting it that caused the entire uproar to start with. In that sense Kevin et al handled it badly. Unfortunately the ***** at the MPAA etc are so dense that they don't realise the basic fact: the more you try to hide something, the more it will be shown. - Bramus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Omg, if you asked anyone about "the numbers" 2 years ago they would have replied "4 8 15 16 23 42", now they're all talking about some numbers they cannot even use themselves. Good call by the Digg Crew to deleting the posts imo! And massiv' "slap in your face" reply by Kevin! Buya!
- deltree, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7why were all the Digg DRM protest stories STILL deleted?
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I am amazed we made drudgereport.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Diggers fought the law, and the law won,
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Wikipedia:
"The Diggers were an English group, begun by Gerrard Winstanley as True Levellers in 1649, who became known as "Diggers" due to their activities.
Their original name came from their belief in economic equality based upon a specific passage in the Book of Acts. The Diggers attempted to reform (by "levelling" real property) the existing social order with an agrarian lifestyle based upon their ideas for the creation of small egalitarian rural communities. They were one of a number of nonconformist dissenting groups that emerged around this time." - Yegger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+109-f9-11-04-9d-74-e5-5b-d8-43-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
- QuantumLo0p, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@diggtatorship
"Digg lost a lot of credibility yesterday, if you don't agree then you probably don't belong here. Go watch Fox news and fly your 'corporate shill' flag all you want."
That is exactly how many Americans feel about CBS, NBC, ABC and CNN.
It looks like the old saying "Too deep in the forest to see the trees." is more true than ever.
Digg is money motivated site just as any other supported site. Perhaps in the beginning its motives and mission were more pure but not now. Get over it and move on. - laterallateral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@turgor
well aren't you a ***** idiot.
By your logic, I should be allowed to ***** your sister in the ass simply based on the fact that it's just an ass and a dick.
You're a moron, my friend. A big one. - m3t00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It is not that difficult to do a Search and Replace on any database. Replace the "illegal string" with "AACS sucks" or similar. Deleting entire posts and accounts was a silly mistake. The kids like it here because Mom and Dad can't make them play nice. Kevin Rose and/or his minions tried to enforce some sort of discipline and went too far and caused the mass revolt. Now I believe they may have gone too far in the opposite direction. Just remove the key text and leave everything else. It will get old soon enough. Giving the kids everything they ask for is not good for the long run.
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