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- rhartman, on 05/30/2008, -0/+28This is the one that really gets me.
From the complaint: "..Proprietary Rights in Site Content; Limited License
Facebook makes it clear in its Terms of Use that all the content on the site is the property of the
company: “All content on the Site and available through the Service, including designs, text,
graphics, pictures, video, information, applications, software, music, sound and other files, and
their selection and arrangement (the "Site Content"), are the proprietary property of the
Company, its users or its licensors with all rights reserved.”
As a User, you are given a limited license to use your own information. However, this license
does not extend to any data mining, robots or similar data gathering or extraction technology that
you might use in connection with such information.."
Take notice Facebook users: Do not upload anything to Facebook that you want to retain clear ownership of, because once you do that ownership comes into question. Link it from Flickr (or some other equivalent site) instead. - kaph, on 05/31/2008, -0/+13The problem with leaving facebook is leaving facebook.
"Other issues, however, are more serious, like a user's inability to easily delete his or her account and all the data associated with it." -FTA - jbrown23, on 05/31/2008, -0/+10The reasons Facebook could be considered "a minefield of privacy invasion" include:
1) allowing others to post personal information about you that you can't get removed
2) removes or limits your ownership and/or control over any personal items you post
3) Makes anything you post public by default
4a) "Facebook fails to disclose why every third-party Facebook application must have access to every bit of a user's personal data"
4b) "transfers user data from non-Facebook sites (with absolutely no way for users to opt out of that behavior)".
#1 sucks and most people don't realize the ramifications of 2-4.
Solution: If this is unacceptable to you than don't use it, educate others so they can make an informed decision, and/or create a better solution. - JasonCox, on 05/31/2008, -7/+15Note to all Facebook denizens:
If you don't like Facebook's policies than leave the service. Facebook is a for-profit corporation, not your mommy. - headzoo, on 05/31/2008, -3/+11Some of this seems a little silly to me. Facebook is a social networking website. It was never indented to be a person's walled garden, where they can hang out on the web, and not be seen by other people. The very fact that you join a social network implies being.. um.. sociable, and being heard and seen by everyone.
Complaining that people can see some of your person information (i.e. social activities), is like complaining that everyone at the night club can see the stupid shirt you're wearing. If you don't want people see your stupid shirt, don't go to a night club. Stay home. If you don't want people to see semi-personal information about you, don't join a social network. - richgustavson, on 05/31/2008, -0/+6I had a professor in a contract law class that would always say, "If you come across a ridiculous contract, JUST SIGN IT." Meaning, it will never hold up in court, so it doesn't really matter anyway.
That clause looks very broad and I doubt it would hold up in court. And hey, if it did, just upload a bunch of kiddie pr0n and take em to court for owning such content ;) - ChristophyBrown, on 05/31/2008, -3/+8Leave my country alone! LEAVE IT ALONE!
- FuzzyBunny, on 05/31/2008, -8/+12How can it be invasion of privacy when users voluntarily submit the information for the express purposes of making it available for others to see? If users fail to grasp the implications of submitting their personal information on a public website, that is their fault not Facebook's.
- LayLadyLay, on 05/31/2008, -1/+5At Stanford, I've heard rumors about both current and past FB workers having access not only to profiles but also FB inboxes.
- rohan1234, on 05/31/2008, -1/+4Actually it was meant to be a walled garden. It started out only at certain universities, then gradually expanded more and more until it ended up open totally.
It used to market itself as a networking site with a lot of privacy. That's what helped it become so popular. - davidjunit, on 05/31/2008, -0/+3Right now I'm at least 90% convinced that many people (newbies) think that their space on the internet is their own little secure world kind of like their home... people don't just walk into your home, do they? They don't understand that the internet is [typically] the same thing as going outside of your home and is usually wide-open to anyone. Putting pictures on a social networking site is like printing out a 4-foot by 8-foot picture of yourself and posting it outside by the road.
- Skooma714, on 05/31/2008, -2/+4lol, I didn't trust Spambook from day one. I only maintain a token presence there with not even my full name used and like 3 pictures that are old now anyway.
- toomuchpete, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2Welcome to "the internet". Oh noes! I might have to be careful with my private data now instead of throwing it around like a sailor on shore leave.
- rukeypoo, on 05/31/2008, -5/+7That's like voluntarily sending pictures of yourself to total strangers, and then yelling about privacy, claiming those pictures are private. What the *****? You know what you are signing up for.
- supermanred, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2The problem is you CANT leave the service, they retain your private information.
And to argue that Facebook isnt your mommy, and that the internet is a public network is *****, because the phone lines are a public network and not every conversation you have should be stored for infinity to be played back to whoever the phone company wants. Same with Facebook! - aflaks, on 05/31/2008, -1/+3When i decided to change my status from "in a relationship" to nothing at all, about 30 guys on facebook messaged me asking if i was now single. Not ONE girl asked me if i was broken up, but my friend Dave was quite keen on finding out all about it. Freeken facebook. Now it turns out all my friends are gay and into me.
- abhiroop, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2its true this sort of contract would NEVER hold up in court. Contract law allows a LOT of freedom so people are allowed to make their own mistakes AND at the sometimes come out with a bargain. They aren't there to hold hands, if someone is genuinely smarter and they are able to make a buck thanks to you're stupidity as long as there isn't anything grossly unscrupulous with the contract it will hold up. In this case the FB terms and conditions are just strange! Its like saying if I post a flyer on the school bulletien board it belongs to them.
On the other hand the issue is an interesting one if you look at FB, like a newspaper. The pictures/news we give to a newspaper is no longer our property (correct me if I'm wrong), as in they can be edited, chopped, etc. Similarly it hasn't really come up in court as to the ownership of digital content. After all we don't pay facebook any money at all, yet we use their bandwidth, server, etc. For a proper contract there has to be something called CONSIDERATION. At least in UK Law. COnsideration means that no matter what contract each person must contribute something. Even if someone decides to GIVE me say Apple. It won't be a valid contract unless I give something in return. Now I could give £1 and that would be enough "consideration" but I would still ahve to give that. So the status of this contract is really ambigous. It could even be argued because I gave no consideration the contract was never concluded. On the other hand my consideration could be my data. - supermanred, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2No, Facebook allows people to set privacy. It allows me to choose who is my friend and then grant them access to my profile. Facebook SELLING my information to companies, and refusing to remove my information when I leave is *****.
It's like the phone company... say you leave Bell or ATT and they say ***** OFF and take every call youve ever made, and sell the recordings to private corporations.
You okay with that, lemming? - toomuchpete, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2Wait, wait, wait... you mean to tell me that the people who WORK at the service have access to its contents?
I don't believe it. - kidlinux, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2You are wrong. You have to supply a valid email address for the account, but not necessarily the same password. There is an optional application to which you may submit that information and it will find on Facebook people listed in your email account's contacts list.
- supermanred, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1Ive crossed the border several times and no Canadian guard has ever asked for my iPod. In reality, they just don't do it.
- benzzene, on 05/31/2008, -3/+4Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you sign up for Facebook, don't you have to submit an email address AND the password to that email address so that Facebook can automatically contact all of your friends? Shouldn't that raise some flags?
- supermanred, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1But action has only been taken by Canada, one of the few free countries left in the world.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 05/31/2008, -2/+3BREAKING: Information posted on the internet can be accessed by OTHER PEOPLE. Early reports suggest that a vast network of computers exists which can access ANYTHING posted on the internet. Authorities are investigating this as a serious privacy invasion case and are trying to warn people of the dangers now presented by posting things Online. "It's really an elaborate system. These criminals are real professionals. We suspect this may have all been in place as early as the dawn of the web." said Detective John Clark, head of the FBI inquiry into the deeply disturbing and intrusive scheme. The detective went on to explain that, while they aren't sure yet how serious the problem is, it's safe to say you should probably remove things you don't want criminals to see. Web users everywhere have been taken by surprise by the news. Rachel Portman of Cleveland had this to say, "I posted all of my credit card numbers and social security number on MySpace so I could check that in case I forgot them. Now that I've heard about this I'm really worried someone else might have seen them." she added, "At least I know criminals wouldn't be interested in my naked, drunk pictures. At least I have that." More as the story develops.
- sfacets, on 05/31/2008, -2/+3Canada? You mean the same people who will search people's files when they cross the border?
- angrykeyboarder, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1wtf?
- benologist, on 05/31/2008, -1/+2Don't upload it anywhere if you're uncomfortable with relinquishing rights, because it doesn't matter what site you enter information on they are going to retain an unlimited license to do anything they want with it. The most you can hope for is a delete button.
- abhiroop, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1Its mainly the extent to the invasion of privacy.
- Rage67, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1exactly!
How is this an invasion of privacy, and the whole
checking iPods at the border thing isn't? - supermanred, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1At least we don't arrest people without charging them with something. At least we don't torture people for 4 years and then let them go and say "Sorry, dude. We're at war with sand farmers so you got caught in the net"...
Seriously, when I hear Americans bitch about Canadian law I laugh at their ignorance and failure to recognize that Bush has made them one of the least free countries in the world. - Rage67, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1i've heard it on the radio more and more this week... maybe it's just
starting to come into affect? either way i don't want to have to deal with it - benzzene, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1Oh, thanks for that. It's so nice to be corrected without someone calling you a dumbass. You'll probably never read this reply though, considering how late it is.
- HonoredMule, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1My 2) response was intended for 3).
It is the nature of a responsible society to look out for the interests of individuals too "stupid" to look out for themselves, because if it didn't we would in fact all be screwed. For example, no one could swindle me on a computer hardware purchase, because I know what I'm getting and what it's worth, and what to do with it when I've got it. On the other hand, without the protection of the Canadian legal system, an attempt to purchase a home could easily see me swindled for every penny I've got and not even actually get so much as a place to hang my hat. I can't be a genius with everything. - SpeedSteamBoat, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1I was under the impression it was America searching people's files when they come in FROM Canada. That was the case with every instance I've heard of so far anyway.
- oboredone, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1I got rid of mine awhile back and haven't looked back since.
- HonoredMule, on 06/01/2008, -0/+11. This is known as slander and libel if you find its offensive. Just like if they posted something similar about you in a newspaper.
Well that's wonderful, but good luck getting it deleted still. That's kind of the problem here. There ARE laws protecting our privacy and integrity, and Facebook is violating them--thus the complaint.
2) That works great for me, because I've got the sense not to sign up for Facebook or anything like it. Call me crazy, but I'm considerate enough to care about the people who are stupid enough to give away their personal information for free and get screwed over for it. Also important, I'm wary enough to care about the impact on society when such practises go unopposed and become the norm. I wouldn't be very happy if in a couple decades I can't even buy groceries without signing up for and contributing to services similar to Facebook. - angrykeyboarder, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1When you consider how many 14-year olds post their full name, address, (cell) phone number and school on their MySpace profiles (and think nothing of it) I'm not surprised.
- angrykeyboarder, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1"allowing others to post personal information about you that you can't get removed "
That happens all over teh Internets. It's not exclusive to Facebook. - angrykeyboarder, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1Anybody that uses the same information on Facebook that they would use on say, a job application is asking for trouble.
I don't use my real name there (despite their insistence to the contrary) and all of my other contact information is only for Internet-related contact.
People that really matter (e.g. people I know personally, family and current/future employers) have a completely different set of "profile" information. - e1evene1even, on 06/01/2008, -0/+0The biggest concern, is who will have access to this info in the future. What if Facebook is bought? What would happen if the government decided they needed access to the information for "national security" purposes?
Bye, bye privacy...
Buy, buy products... - abhiroop, on 05/31/2008, -1/+11. This is known as slander and libel if you find its offensive. Just like if they posted something similar about you in a newspaper.
2. Look above for a post I made about this.
3. Its a "social" network, if you don't want things to be made "public" this was a pretty silly place to join. - chrgrose, on 05/31/2008, -3/+3I'm THERIOUS!
- nrdj, on 05/31/2008, -0/+0Or could it be the ad revenue you provide them when you click an ad?
- kcart20, on 05/31/2008, -1/+1none of this sounds very intrusive to me at all.. hardly a big deal if you ask me.
what do people expect when they post something on the internet? - Humpasaur, on 05/31/2008, -2/+1I wish i could agree with/support this, but DUH. It's laid out very clearly in their Terms of Service. More rational commentary, w/larger perspective on privacy "rights":
http://www.brainsturbator.com/site/comments/facebo ... - burjzyntski, on 05/31/2008, -2/+0eeek, i'd never thought of 'leaving' facebook, i've only spent more time away from it at a time...so i guess i just thought i'd eventually forget about it and pretend that it (my account) just disappeared along with my interest in it...the info will always be there...damn this ***** is coming as another sad truth :(
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