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- rekrapt, on 10/12/2007, -20/+72Sadly, most people will not care about this until the Secret Police start kicking in their doors because someone used a "suspect word" too many times in a phone conversation, chat session or an email sent to a friend. By the time that happens, we will all be coded, tagged, scanned and cataloged. Welcome to the 21st Century.
- drw2583, on 10/12/2007, -16/+57Remember, remember the fifth of November...
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -5/+38I dont understand why they are putting so much effort into domestic spying, especially with all the rhetoric about how "we're fighting them over there, so we dont have to fight them over here."
IMHO, they need to be concentrating on infiltrating human intelligence assets into potential terrorist cells. Not screening my inane phone calls and waiting for the next opportunity to attack and occupy a third-world country.
Regardless, we are slowly and surely losing essential rights and liberties, and our Congress is so crooked they sit by and do nothing. The government is broken almost entirely from top to bottom. - dWhisper, on 10/12/2007, -6/+36While I hate domestic spying and our administration in general, this article is really nothing more than one guy spouting off on opinions and his "thoughts" without broaching on real facts.
"Can I prove this in a court of law? No. Do I know it is happening? Yes, without a doubt. Enough sources within the CIA, FBI, NSA and Pentagon have come forward in recent days to warn about Hayden's plans for an expanded, consolidated spy network aimed at Americans, not terrorists, and violating numerous laws that prohibit such activities against citizens of this country."
It's been covered to death in the news, but really, until he puts some sort of proof out there, or puts a name to one of those sources, it's just wild speculation and fear-mongering. That's the same thing our administration is doing to justify this garbage. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+34How do I apply for a job at the Secret Police? Is there a Secret Police HQ? Or is it invisible?
- rewritable, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33If only a couple million people got together and stormed the castle that is only full of a few hundred then we could take back our freedom. But that will NEVER happen.
"we will all be coded, tagged, scanned and cataloged."
The only tag they'll put on me is on my big toe. - sonmiles, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24I personally would rather take my chances with terrorists than live in a police state. The government has hyped up the terrorist threat [and continues to do so] in order to do what they will. I'd rather be fighting some bass ackwards terrorist group on my home soil than the U.S. government!
- Phaid, on 10/12/2007, -12/+32This is an editorial opinion, not objective journalism. And it's on a site with such "rational reporting without partisanship" headlines as "The coward-in-chief dishonors those who served" and "George W. Bush: An American dictator" ?
Stupid troll. No dig. - FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26what this could easily (hopefully) do is create a whole generation of hackers who feel obligated to do as much damage to this system as they can, as frequently as popssible.
- Winters, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19An interesting Quote...
"This is not 'total information awareness' but 'total information control' aimed at watching Americans fulltime and ignoring the protections that are supposed to be guaranteed by the Constitution," says an FBI agent familiar with the programs. "I didn't sign on for this and I'm getting the hell out."
In fact, resignations at major U.S. spy agencies are at an all-time high. Exact numbers are classified but sources say field agents, data analysts and others are leaving in droves rather than join the frenzy to spy on Americans. - RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -17/+33Instead of hard evidence we get this:
"Can I prove this in a court of law? No. Do I know it is happening? Yes, without a doubt."
"I wish I could prove this. I wish one, just one, source on the inside was willing to come forward and allow his or her name to be used..."
"But I know it is happening. People I've known for years and trust tell me it is happening..." - shrapnull, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21Couldn't say it better myself...I hate what's going on, but why argue the point by pointing out a guy that admittedly has no proof, says "enough sources" without listing a single one, and comes across as a bitter, emotionalist instead of the freedom fighter he thinks he is.
- imjustabill, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21Marked as inacurate. There are no facts in here, its just a guy ranting.
- Habemus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21Reported "Inaccurate."
- Fafhrd68, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17I do believe that in the next political arena for Presidency we will see this as a major issue. I am against them spying, what I do stand for is protective measures that will stop things like 9-11. We can find a happy medium but it wont be under a Republican or Democratic nation. We must look to the independents for the answers. Libertarians are some of the strongest pro-ponents of government staying out of peoples lives.
The problem with creating a new age of hackers is that the moral fiber has degraded so much within our communities that "white" hacks would be looked upon as weak. The hacker of the future will be entrepreneurs that will 'sling' for the all mighty dollar. I am a teacher of the next generation and they are heavily influenced by the "IWANT" Generation. That will not breed hackers protecting freedom of speech or our national freedom. That's will spawn hackers creating malicious spy-ware that will allow companies to track and sell to you. Look at the amount of spam and spy-ware that is constantly bombarding us today. THESE are hackers that have found money in coding and hacking.
It's time for a new revolution even in hacking. I would Love to see the trends change and see hackers make a difference in public policy and social reform. - misterpony, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21Yes, it's editorial ranting and there aren't any facts.
But, damn, he's probably right. - chrischrischris, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18This is editorial spam.
- ProfessorRiffs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12See though, they do have the time. And resources. And whatever else they need. And as taxpayers, we're all paying for it, more and more so all the time. No it's not like getting mayo on your damn burger, it's a hell of a lot more serious than that, and it certainly has nothing to do with being a hippy, you meathead (one good name-calling deserves another!).
That aside, this article is totally an opinionated rant and that stinks. - helix400, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17From the article:
"I wish I could prove this. I wish one, just one, source on the inside was willing to come forward and allow his or her name to be used but those who might be tempted see what happened to Mary McCarthy, the CIA employee fired and under threat of prosecution for leaking information about CIA torture camps in Europe.
But I know it is happening."
Oooh, he can't prove it, but he "knows" it's happening.
I know that Bush is secretly wants to take over America, but I can't prove it. I *know* Clinton was a space alien, and I have lots of circumstantial evidence, but I cannot quite prove that. I also KNOW without any doubt that the Da Vinci code is real, but the proof I need is always one step ahead of me...
Seriously...this is ridiculous. Stop submitting this obnoxious nonsense to Digg. - j0keR, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11All it really takes is another terror attack.
Hell, it doesn't even need to be a big one, the media will blow it out of proportion. Next thing you know, the whole administration will go on a "domestic terrorist" hunt. People will be encouraged to turn in anybody who is a suspected terrorist. These things happen easily when the people are ruled by fear. I assume you've all read The Crucible? - Ndiggnation, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15While it's definitely saddening to see expansion of this kind of activity, it's almost more disappointing to see that those against this kind of activity are resigning. I believe they should stay and raise the alarm. The FBI, CIA, NSA and Bush administration will only replace them with people that "toe the line".
The days of McCarthyism seem almost inviting by comparison to today, and the future before us... - Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Story marked as inaccurate. The author offers NO proof for any of his claims.
- TopherT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9This article expresses fears that I share but contains little or no fact to back up the conjecture. While not necessarily inaccurate it certainly should be taken with more than a grain of salt. Anyone can claim any conspiracy theory without significant backup and I would caution against writing it as fact. That being said I feel that much of the transparency has gone out of government and that it is entirely plausible that significant increases in surveillance are being pursued by the department of homeland security. I only hope that the honest people holding posts in such jobs might stay and document rather than resign in obscurity. Without whistle blowers democracy is much more easily hijacked.
- CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15you know, whoever came up with john titor certainly wasnt a time traveler but man, they had a hell of alot of foresight.
- JamesGHill, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Ditto on the inaccurate.
- Hendo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11This just a big fat RUMOR. No sources, no evidence = NO PROOF.
- umdigger, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11What we need is for the ones who are against it to STAY and protest it. With them gone, they just get replaced with someone who fits the puzzle and will keep quiet.
Why is America turning against it's own people!!! If I wanted someone watching every move I made I'd live in CHINA. - rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16this is heresay and conjecture. reported as inaccurate. this is an opinion piece with no actual quotes from Hayden.
- Markdoggin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I would digg your comment, but alas I'm frightened of what will happen to me if I do!!
- Hawk2007, on 10/12/2007, -18/+25It's amazing how many self proclaimed "critical thinking Americans" will report this story as true and take it to heart.
What? I lie?
Just look at the posts above... - diggnationdevon, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Innacurate.
- datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"Can I prove this in a court of law? No. Do I know it is happening? Yes, without a doubt. Enough sources within the CIA, FBI, NSA and Pentagon have come forward in recent days to warn about Hayden's plans for an expanded, consolidated spy network aimed at Americans"
Yet the author does not cite them in the article? hmmmmz - Rounin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11LOL, submitted as inaccurate. No digg.
- algorythm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I think www.cia.gov site just got dugg
- helix400, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Also marked as inaccurate. It's just partisan editorial ramblings.
- msipes, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15Bravo Phaid. This article is a joke and straight up lame.
- Ndiggnation, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@joker
True, and you can read various tyrannical leaders in the past have stated things along the lines of, a population easily controlled, is controllde by fear. Look at how scared people were after 9/11. Or the Anthrax attacks, or when the Beltway snipers were driving around. People paralyzed by fear, quick to finger anyone around them as a criminal, or at least we are headed this way.
People at my work were so frightended during the anthrax attacks that officials in HAZMAT suits were walking around here one day when an employee knocked over a small pen cup with rubber band dust in it, and freaked out.
My point being, keep the people in constant paranoia, make them feel vulnerable and they'll give up any liberties Dear Leader deems neccessary.
Hell, the formerly most open and inclusive country in the world has become xenophobically introverted, except when it involves pointless war. - tuna1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8No one is opposed to spying on terrorists, if that is actually what they are set out to do. But we would like Judicial overisight in these programs. You know, that whole three EQUAL branches clause of the consistiution.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Very credible news source. And people rip on Fox News. Give me a break. How does this crap end up on the front page.
- BillyK, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13You believe them when they say they're "looking for terrorists." That's your mistake.
- w0rd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@Wyzard
Our public schools are a joke. See us compared to the rest of the world. Not to mention blatant discrimination in what schools get how much money. In Poway, San Diego County they have 5-10 New Apple macs for every classroom but other schools don't even have current books.
Don't get me started on the police. To protect and rest above the law. Firefighters are doing great, but they could use more funding.
Maintenance is a joke too. Once again the poor get the short end of the stick.
I think anyone on digg can attest to the corruption in the FCC.
SEC steps in when it becomes to blatant to ignore. The number of people that have lost money from crooked investors keeps going up.
Seems pretty broken to me. - stonyhill, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Capitol Hill Blue is a laughable excuse for a publication. They have absolutely zero credibility. If they ever get anything right, it's a surprise to them, I'm sure.
I'm no fan of the current administration, but if CHB accuses them of something, I tend to doubt it. - TopherT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Vote for whom? Does anyone have the backbone to change anything? I can't think of a single person.
I used to think McCain had the cahones, but hes fallen in line, Nader maybe but hes got no political capital. Voting isn't the answer, only overwhelming public opinion could enact any change in this country. - YourTechSupport, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Time to invent a new encyrpted method of communcation.
- DrAtomicus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Yep, there is no proof to what he says except the proof that sits directly in front of all of us (not in chronological order):
• Appoint Military personnel to head a civilian organization (CIA) = Military coup, I hope you all know why this is bad.
• Fake a terrorist attack (9/11) and kill your own people to instill fear in them so you can control them better (See Loose Change documentary)
• Monitor and RETAIN all voice and data communications to identify 'problem people' (thank you AT&T, Verizon, et al). If you ever wondered how the Nazis found all the Jews to kill, it's because they collected data.
• Create detention centers outside the borders of the United States and send the 'problem people' there indefinitely for torture, without trial
• Create special police force to enforce the will of corrupt U.S. government: Dept. of Homeland Security, TSA
• Interchange at will, the word freedom with the word terrorism
• Appoint Supreme Court Justices that will uphold the agenda of the corrupt U.S. government
• Manipulate voting machines to ensure the "right" people get elected
• Block investigations into domestic spying under the guise of National Security
• Use major news outlets to feed lies to the people (Fox News)
The list goes on. If you really want to know what will happen next, look up "Project for a New American Century" and read about their vision. Kinda scary how many items on their checklist have been fulfilled, and how many are still to come.
So, I would contend that the person who wrote this article has good facts to base their opinion on. They don't even all have to be accurate because if someone was giving us half the truth, then that would be 200% more than we've been getting up until this point. I applaud him for fear-mongering these ideas because apparently that's the only thing people react to. It has to start somewhere.
Like others have mentioned above me, eventually it will all cave in and people will revolt. We can only hope that happens sooner than later. The U.S. is such a young country, with so much to learn about revolution when their government isn't doing what THE PEOPLE elected it to do. Oh wait, we didn't elect anyone, they did it for us. Wake up ignorant fools, wake up.
For all the people reporting this as bad journalism, you're the same people who wanted to impeach Clinton for getting a blow-job. I'd rather have a happy president than one who goes around lying to me, killing his own people by the thousands, and destroying whatever good will we had with he rest of the world. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well then tell us where you're from.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This story is a load of crap, not because I doubt the Bush administration would try such thing, but because it's information taken out of context with authors own slant added and peaced together. For example, "President George W. Bush told Hayden to "take whatever steps necessary" to monitor Americans 24/7 by listening in on their phone calls, bugging their homes and offices, probing their private lives, snooping into their financial records and watching their travel habits."
- chall2001, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This whole "WAR ON TERROR" is a complete joke. I'm so sick of every government BS stunt being defended with "It helps win the war on terror". Question the president? Gee, that would give comfort to our enemies. Besides, how do you go to war on an idea? Anyway, the vast majority of terror support comes from Saudi Arabia and they're our buddies. Its like starting a neighborhood watch program and giving the biggest local criminal a free pass. Damn, the whole thing is doomed from the start. Those wahhabi schools are cranking out fresh little Osamas every day.
- rodan32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, you can TOTALLY rely on countries with state-operated media outlets for accurate news.
- MoeTee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I agree, and I also think we will see an attempt to 'hack the presidency' in our lifetime (outside of the continuing Diebold fiasco).
We Americans have a very serious problem (terrorist attacks vs. the erosion of natural rights the bill of rights), and MSM is doing a pathetic job of laying this out for the public.
Also, the author does cite some true points, such as the increasing pressure on journalists to reveal their sources (NSA wiretapping, and the CIA's black prisons in Europe). He should have also mentioned the removal of cases from due process by Governemnt fiat (the EFF/AT&T case). -
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