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- bobasaurus, on 10/12/2007, -15/+108Greed is a deadly sin, Apple.
- spikes, on 10/12/2007, -11/+74Netcast is a better word for it. Apple doesn't deserve any free advertising after pulling this *****.
- MattH, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33Netcast is tradmarked
Copyright © NETCAST AG 1997-2006. All rights reserved. NETCAST is a trademark of NETCAST AG. The trademarks, service marks, and logos used and displayed on this Site are registered and unregistered Trademarks of NETCAST AG and others. Nothing on this Site should be construed as granting, by implication, estoppel, or otherwise, any license or right to use any Trademark displayed on the Site, without the written permission of the Trademark owner. - mesoed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25APPLE IS NOT TRYING TO TRADEMARK PODCAST. In fact, the trademark office has placed podcast in their "generic term" list. As such... it CAN NOT be trademarked. What if someone tried to trademark "water". It would be rejected. Another company DID try to trademark podcast, but it wasn't Apple. The trademark was rejected. The cease and desist was directed toward Podcast Ready's software, myPodder.
Listen to this explanation by Rob from podcast411... who actually talked to Podcast Ready and the trademark office....
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/podcast411a/~3/27292245/411_060925.mp3 - Ray_Justice, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21In the description they still use the word podcast though. I think its good, they shouldn't be called podcasts anyway, for people that aren't familiar with them, it implies that you can only listen to them with an iPod.
- Th3_anOmoLy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I agree that netcast is a better word. It seems to be able to cover a wider range of content streamed over the net. It can be used in place of podcast, vidcast, or any other term. I also think it has more of a "network" type of feel. Seeing as this is the direction groups like TWiT and Rev3 are going I think it will be far more suitable for the future of the industry.
- sparkrainfir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15netcast is a better name for it. podcast implies that you need an ipod to use it.
- Ray_Justice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Are you serious? Anyone that uses the phrase Leo Laporte and apple hater in the same sentence, is a complete ***** moron.
- MacsBaine, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Question, actually 2. Do people view what Apple is doing different that what Digg has been doing with cease and desist letter? If so, why?
- Oakes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9mosoed: "What if someone tried to trademark "water". It would be rejected."
Yeah, kinda like how "Apple" would be rejected.
Please brush up on trademark law. Generic terms can be trademarked in fields unrelated to them. - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11And I love how CBS put the description on what a Netcast is...
"CBS Netcasting is a way to receive audio files over the Internet, using the RSS 2.0 file format, at no cost. You can listen to these files on your computer or download them on to your MP3 player and take them with you."
Its good and I love how they offer instructions on how to get it, and even link to various popular netcasting applications. I can see how this would be useful for beginners. A good job in my opinion. - Bradl3y, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I have never liked the term podcast, and I can't beleive apple would have a problem with people using it. People do generally associate them with iPods, it is very much free advertising. But I guess legally they have to protect their trademarks or they will lose possession of them.
- mikeroySoft, on 10/19/2009, -5/+11.grounds_keeper_willie_voice:
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./grounds_keeper_willie_voice. - spikes, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10@NJank
Looks like you followed into the ***** too of believing Apple has every right to the word "Pod".
It's hard to beleve that people actually defend this crap from Apple.
HAL, open the pod bay doors. - Smithtopher, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Leo Laporte is a popular Netcaster and TV Host on computer issues. (He hosts a TechTV show called "Call for Help"). He IS a reputable source of opinion on this matter and he IS a Mac enthusiast - far from being the Mac hater that you claim he is.
- rjp_wayne2018, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4CBS has always used the term "Netcast" instead of podcast.
- Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@tdskate
Whoa, bad example there, my friend. Adam Curry has made himself an enemy of many podcasters with the Podshow network and it's near-abuse and crappy treatment of its content providers. I personally know several podcasters on Podshow that will not be renewing their contracts, the terms of which make some RIAA member contracts look downright generous. Furthermore, The Daily Source Code is considered by many profressional podcasters to be a joke and no longer relevant.
Yes, Curry was once a hero of the podcasting community but he has since worn out his welcome.
Your comment about Leo Laporte only further illustrates your lack of familiarity with the podcasting industry, its members, and its politics. - Jaymoon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6That's what I never understood at first.... Took me awhile to get an MP3 player (not an iPod), so I always called "podcasts".... "shows I downloaded".
Netcast makes sense, but it does sound more like a term for streaming video, rather than downloading the video to your computer. - chazhick, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7If anything I would say that Leo is an Apple lover. I am glad to see him take a stand against apple of this one.
- Greyhaven7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Or because the term "podcast"... like the term "blog"... is a really friggin' stupid buzz word fad?
- trekkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well maybe if you actually read what they were asking to be done you would see that they almost scream in all caps that they are IN NO WAY ASKING THEM TO STOP USING THE TERM PODCAST! in the legal filing
They're bone of contention is that mypodder and ipod could be confused. They are following US Trade Mark law. The reason this has come up is that they are being challenged on their trademark of iPod as they tried to file for a change of trademark to incorporate more items as to what iPod and Pod refer too as a consumer electronics device.
I know it's cool here on Dig to bitch and moan anytime Apple does anything remotely like a corporation but the jumping to conclusions that I've seen in the last 48 hours is ridiculous.
As it was pointed out by Patrick Norton on the most recent TWIT Podcast trying to change from Podcast to Netcast or anything else is going to sound as Pedantic as Cracker vs. Hacker. Podcast is mainstream, congrats, if you didn't like it you should have done something about it a few years ago when things got started. - NeoRicen, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Good news, hope this takes off, will show apple.
- longofest, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@levi: actually, Apple currently has a patent application open for "pod" in addition to "iPod". MacRumors has a good summary ( http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060925232535.shtml )
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3CBS has been using Netcast way before Leo tried to change!
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3tubecast is a registered trademark of Senator Ted Stevens.
- ninjapheret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How the hell is "PodCast" even 1% appropriate?
How the hell do people say it started in 2004? Haven't we all been listening to on-demand online audio feeds since 1992?
We've always called it audio streams, if we want to consolidate, I think NetCast is more appropriate. I don't care if people search Yahoo for the word PodCast, since when you do you get 12 entries into Wikipedia, a couple news articles, and a few Apple links. - spikes, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Going this far as to threatening everyone using "Pod" is not required to protect their trademark. Its just typical Apple ***** once again.
- DEIx15x8, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4This Just in NBC's Today Show now has a Netcast, never mind it's been there for months just like the one on CBS. This whole story is a useless propaganda to try and say that anywhere that says Netcast is because of Leo. I'm a proud member of The Leoville Town Square and a huge fan of Leo but Netcast has been used to describe podcasts for awhile. He did not invent it, he just thinks that it might be the better name to use for a podcast. Podcasts are called: Netcasts, Audiocasts, Videocasts, Vidcasts, basicly anything with the word cast at the end.
- mesoed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Digg story about podCast411 rebuking the trademark rumor.
http://digg.com/apple/podCast411_puts_to_rest_the_Apple_podcast_trademark_rumor#c3205195 - systemghost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2GOOD! I'm sick and goddamn tired of these recordings being called "podcasts" like Apple invented the idea of making an audio recording of yourself and uploading it to the internet. And it's a goddamn stupid term too, "podcast" just sounds ***** retarded.
***** you Apple. You didn't invent the ***** mp3 player why should you get credit for everything. Yeah, I'm bitter, but your merchandise is built like crap and I will never own one of your products. Hippy pukes. - wurzelgummage, on 10/12/2007, -14/+16Digg isn't powered by Chinese slaves.
- citizensagainst, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm happy about this. Podcast was always a stupid name--what does a former MTV VJ know about naming new things? Netcast is almost as stupid. We need a name that includes the words syndication, or RSS, or feed and audio/video.
- JolietJake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree with Leo NetCast sounds like what it is a broadcast on the Net.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6tubecast?
- nayr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2actually, I'm pretty sure it's ipod not pod that's the contentious word. Still, I'd like to see something like radiocast. Not much better, but better than audcast or netcast, and I think it recognizes how similar it is to radio. They are, I hope, the ideal replacement to radio (though I'd hate to see it go away! we still need our breaking news from NPR!)
- monkeybutler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4All the Apple defenders are so one sided. If Microsoft started going after people using the term "Micro" or "Win" then they'd say that MS is abusing their marketshare. But if Apple does it then "they are doing whats best for them".
Quit thinking about apple's protection and worry about the consumers and the little guys freedoms. - diggdon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Did Apple ever lose its trademark over the "Apple" name? I recall when a competitor built a computer called "Orange." Anyone else remember that? Did they get sued by Apple for trademark infringement? I recall the weak trademark value of the word "Apple" is why they called their next computer the Macintosh, and they actually MISSPELLED, on purpose, the "McIntosh Apple". I wonder if grocery stores are now misspelling the name of the fruit.
- DeathSun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Also I love "Netcast" because "podcast" is associated with audio-only, where "netcast" is a bit more open. Some "podcasts" have audio AND video shows, depending on the week.
I just hope this starts to be the trend, I was never a fan of the term "podcast" because of the iPod implication. It got worse after iTunes 4, when people suddenly thought that Apple invented the damn thing. - diggdon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I think it was Jesus. "As Jesus walked beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and his brother Andrew CASTing a NET into the lake, for they were fishermen." (Mark 1:16, NIV)
- gincarnated, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2CBS using the term netcast is stupid? Apple claiming that they have already trademarked the term "pod", when it hasn't be finalized is more stupid to me.
If they do manage to trademark "pod" I do hope everyone stops using the term podcast and moves on to something like audiocast/netcast/videcast, or whatever else we can come up with. I would rather Apple not get free advertising from us if they are going to do things like this. - interiot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4At least Leo knows what he's talking about. I know Adam Curry is supposedly the King of Podcasts, but sometimes he really sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to technology.
- rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Actually, Trademarks need to be protected in order for them to remain valid trademarks. The owner can loose the rights to a TM if the word becomes generic. So part of due diligence of owning a TM is defending it. It's not like copyright at all where you own the original work no matter what anyone else does with it.
In this case I don't really get it. The word "Pod" (as in portable options device) independent of the "i" doesn't seem to be a vaild part of the iPod trademark. I suppose an agressive TM attorney might disagree--well obviously Apples lawyers do. Or maybe they are claiming that they invented the word, or it is a name that is unique to a service that they offer. Neither one is true. I believe that Adam Curry came up with the word, and many people and services were already doing podcasting before Apple ever started it.
Speaking of Adam Curry, I wonder if Podshow will have to change it's name now? - Shorties, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't think he has ever used the term Webcast,
Anyway he just posted this:
http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2006/09/25/Why-do-I-use-Blogcast_3F00_.aspx - kevinarth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think Netcast is fine. I'm sure Leo didn't "Steal" the word from CBS. I could be wrong, but I don't recall him ever saying that he came up with the word. He's just been saying it's a good word. I agree.
Question is, will CBS now try to trademark "CBSNetcast" or "Netcast" and start nailing anyone who tries to use Netcast? - neuropsychguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Are you saying that we need to stop calling vacuum cleaners "Hoovers"? If you are, why didn't you say so?
That's not a term used in America, at least not in the southwest, northwest, west, or southeast where I've lived. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2PodcastReady, mypodder, the reason for this whole podcast controversy is in direct violation with Apple's patent and possible trademark and infringing on their brand name. I'm totally for Apple going after them. In life, their are always people out their trying to make a quick buck off of your name.
- gincarnated, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ummm, thats the point. Apple didn't create those terms and are indirectly trying to associate themselves with those terms by making sure they and only apple own the term "pod"
- ippersiel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1meh, don't really care the name so long as I can still listen to them.
I find it odd it took Apple so long to take action, especially since they introducted a podcast section in their iTunes?
Also, I always called the video podcasts, IPTV or vidcasts. - decaturcomp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1a) every time i say something about a blog to a non-techie they ask me what it is, sometimes commenting that they've heard the term. podcast, same thing.
2) shouldn't even a copyright owner with a legitimate beef have to exercise their rights before something has been in common use for several years? - clyde2801, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Score one for Leo Laporte!
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