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- lordTalus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That's it...I refuse to be called a pirate and I will, in no way, acknowledge anyone, or any subpoena referring to me as a pirate. I'm a fracking NINJA! Get it right Government!!! I NINJA intellectual property, I do not pirate intellectual property. And guess what...I don't see any anti-NINJA laws in place, so back the hell off!
- copperkidd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ok, this is fine, but just to be fair let's put all the big wigs at Sony in jail too.
- haakonn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Choice quote: "Because of the changes in technology, it's so much easier (to pirate) now. What that's doing is encouraging large-scale criminal enterprises to get involved in intellectual property theft, and that involvement is used, quite frankly, to fund terrorist activities."
We must prevent little Billy from downloading Britney songs, or the terrorists win! - FunHeadlines, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Mommy, Billy hit me again, and quite frankly, he wants to use his piggy bank to fund terrorist activities. Can we lock him up forever? Please?"
- uncle_dad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Welcome to the Corporate States of America
- roguepirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think you're all missing the main point behind this. Since a lot of bootlegging and such occurs in china, and since bootlegging supports terrorism, WE CAN NOW ATTACK CHINA FOR HOUSING TERRORSTS!
- Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2damn....looks like digg will be a pretty lonely place when we're all behind bars...
- Drahknon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Ok, whether you like Bush or not....all of you complainers are whining about not getting away with something that is ILLEGAL!"
Well, it is, but is prison time really the solution? This is a non-violent, economic crime. If embezzlers don't get locked up, why some 18-year-old who downloaded the Coldplay album? - roguepirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1HAHAHA maybe i should stop clicking those Al-Queda banner ads and popups from torrent sites
- Web_Weasel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Must have been a heck of a "campaign contribution."
- jnorris441, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So don't torrent movies, because then the evil terrorists will get all the money you paid to...oh, wait. It doesn't cost a goddamn thing.
- illyriah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would like to know how they figure all the money from piracy is going to terrorism. I'm sure that intelligence couldnt be wrong on this!
- almostmanda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yep, this'll get your approval ratings back up there.
- Drahknon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe industry just needs more tax cuts. That seems to be his solution to everything else they whine about.
- Ribald_Jester, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is stupid. More legislation to protect the MPAA's/RIAA's Cartel. Great. Their business model is failing and instead of innovating, they convince the president that filesharing supports terroristic activities. Now when a grandpa and his kid download a couple of movies, they can *really* nail those terrorists to the wall. This is just another example of another law being put in to place to protect corporate interests and have little benefit for the PEOPLE of the United States. I really like the bit about how they can just "take" your stuff that you "might" use to committ copyright violations with.
What I'd like to see is the RIAA and MPAA investigated for illegal activities. I think they've already gotten in trouble once for price fixing. But hey - that's just ***** over the average american consumer - who cares about them, Corporations are what matter! - vypergts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ok, I guess I can kind of see a lose connection to how large-scale piracy operations in countries like China and the Phillipines COULD in some round-about way be linked to funding terrorist activities...
BUT,
a) How does passing legistlation in the USA to tighten anti-piracy laws do anything to prevent this?
b) The MPAA and RIAA do more to fund terrorism by their actions because greedy corporations exercising influence over government is a good reason for terrorists to hate capitalism and the US.
c) I'm with DewayneSmith, just one more reason it's time to move a little farther north... - roguepirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think NO-CD patches also support terrorism, as well as visiting hackaday, and watching hak.5, PC mods will also support terrorism, and finally, downloading Linux is practically joining the terrorists.
- bloodomen13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ lollerskates
You said "Downloading a file, by itself, is not bad unless you were going to see the movie or buy the song in the first place. Nobody is deprived of anything. Saying the artists were deprived of potential money is a stupid arguement if you weren't really going to take the time to buy the song or movie, because there WOULD be no potential money to be made; you'd just simply go on without the movie or song."
So it's OK to steal a shirt from a store if you didn't have any intentions of buying it anyways? The store didn't lose any potential sales since you never would have bought it, but it's still OK for you to take it... no harm no foul.
It's arguments like this that get me. If you had no intentions of listening to the music or watching the movie in the first place then why the hell do you download it? If you download it then you obviously DID HAVE AN INTEREST IN IT.
This IS theft. Pure and simple. You can try to justify anyway you want but that doesn't change what it is.
If you had no interest in seeing the film or listening to the music then how about if you just don't even bother with it? If there's something I'm not interested in I sure as hell don't watch/listen to it for apparently no reason what-so-ever, as you suggest that people do. It's not worth my time.
@ grimreaper
You said "Granted software and music piracy is illegal, but can you honestly blame people who don't have the money to buy an overpriced CD or DVD? I cant blame them. People who actually like the artists and want to support them, can go to their concerts, or do something other than paying unnecessary amounts of money for a not even 5 cent disc."
Can I blame them? Yep.
If the movie or CD is too expensive there's a simple solution... something people have been practicing for a REALLY long time. It's called saving your money to purchase what you want or just not buying it.
Hey! I really like Porsche's! I can't afford one but I really want one... I'll just steal one and no one will see anything wrong with that since I really like Porsches.
The argument doesn't make sense. If someone can't afford the product then they shouldn't have it. Simple. If they want it bad enough they'll save up the money to get it. - bloodomen13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ Drood
"Bloodomen: You're the bigger idiot if you choose to use your shirt analogy. It's moronic, as are you if you think that compares.
Sure, you say they haven't lost a sale as you weren't going to buy it. HOWEVER, what your pitifully tiny brain fails to take into account is the fact that by taking the shirt, you're depriving them of the ability to sell it to someone else.
When you download Episode III, that doesn't happen. All you anti-piracy boneheads who post on places like here and Slashdot always come up with these ***** analogies, without realising how stupid you sound. You cannot equate someone downloading the latest Radiohead album with nicking the same album from a store. It's a material thing. There's a finite amount of them.
Movies, music etc... It's capacity is infinite. It's possible to take one DVD, one CD, and make an exact duplicate for every single person on the planet.
Now please explain to me how that can happen with your shirt. Until such time as you can, shut the ***** up with your asinine, ill thought out analogy."
OK, first off, a product is a product despite what form it takes. Manufacturing and man hours went into creating a product, whether it's digital or material. It's still a product. Taking the results of the manufacturing (regardless of format) is theft and is depriving the original manufacturer of sales. There's a lot more to merchandise than just a physical object.
That CD you downloaded? Guess what, if you bought it instead of stole it it'd be a sale. And let's say that you made a copy for your friend... a friend who planned to go into a local store and purchase the item. You just deprived the store of a sale. Only rampant piracy is on a much larger scale as hundreds, if not thousands of people are obtaining the product... thus depriving the manufacturer of sales.
Hmmm... If I were to steal a shirt that I had no intention of owning, and gave it to a friend who was intent on buying it from the store I stole from then I think I've just done the same thing.
Now, you complain that those of us against piracy (gee... imagine, people who actually have things like morals and ethics) use "***** analogies". Why don't you, a thief, give some compelling reasons as to why stealing a product is actually acceptable? Oh, will we hear the old line of "I don't want the **AA corporations to get my money" or "well, gee, I'm only a 14 year old kid working as a grocery store bagger so I can't afford to actually buy CDs or DVDs" or maybe we'll hear the "all music and movies these days are crap" story?
Hmmm... tell you what, why don't YOU come up with some compelling reasons as to why breaking the law and being an outright bottom-feeding slug is a "kewl" thing.
And isn't it interesting how my "pitifully tiny brain" can actually communicate without having to lower itself to such a level as yours where profanity is the only way to get your point across? My my, perhaps all that "crap media" that I'm sure you're upset about but still insist on listening to/viewing after having stolen it must be rotting what little bit of a brain you have left.
Tell you what, maybe after you reach puberty and move out of your mommy's house then a bit of that angst will have subsided and you'd be able to make some conscious decisions like an adult. Until then, please continue with your dreamworld and "whoa is me" attitude. After all, the world MUST owe you something, right? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i am not complaining about being able to do something illegal
it is scarey to have all criminal activity to be "related" to terrorists. DO you think on stolen cd brought down the towers? sure it should be illegal but we all dont need to be sent to quantaniumo bay,
we also dont need to give record companies the ability to disable our pc's and what about making fairuse illegal?? they keep trying to make it impossible to share with friends and family which is part of the fair use rights that came with the betamax descision.
and wtf has clinton got to do with it? I would rather a president with a sexual problem than one with a power problem.
OH yeah and the real reason we ae in iraq.. is they are the biggest music pirates out there..did you see the news they discovered weapons of mass distribution there.
I used to be a republician but i would pay to have the clinton admin back.. - rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1>>
Ok, whether you like Bush or not....all of you complainers are whining about not getting away with something that is ILLEGAL!
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Actually, if you RTFA, you will see that they are trying to redefine what is illegal or not. If Bush has his way, it will be a crime to attempt to violate a copyright (doesn't matter if you actually violated it or not). Also, it would allow the prosecutor to confiscate the equipment that you might use to violate a copyright regardless of whether you actually committed the crime or have been proven to do so. It also makes it so that companies can prosecute people for copyright violations of works before they have been filed with the Register of Copyrights.
Basically, it allows the music industry to do whatever the hell they want with no repercussions. It is the Patriot Act for the RIAA. Not only would music customers be treated like criminals, now they will be treated like terrorists. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0LOOOL, do you think DOJ give a ***** about you little p2p lamers? They are talking about large scale piracy factories and organized piracy groups.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I'm now Canadian. You can't touch me Bush."
Several piracy ring was destroyed by Canadian police this year.
"why the hell do they think that pirating "intellectual property" funds terrorism?"
mabey OSama Bin Laden run a piracy ring that sells pirated goods in the Middle East.
"why some 18-year-old who downloaded the Coldplay album?"
Again, they are talking about organized piracy rings, not some dumb 18 year old kid leech mp3 from p2p. - 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm begging you folks. Please for the love of God. Stop voting Republican.
Yes, Democrats have been known to pull this crap from time-to-time as well. But even the most die hard Republican would have to agree that never before have we consumers and citizens suffered such as all out attack on our freedoms. - Misos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Jesus ***** Christ, these people want to link EVERYTHING to terrorism.
Next thing ***** will somehow fund terrorism. - Singee15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yea, lets hate bush. I hate when the president enforces laws, what an *****.
- TerrenceLP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Fuc* Bush and the whole gang of so called law makers on capital hill. You can't make a law for everything! Land of the free??? Free what? we almost have a law for everything. BTY I'm down with Bill, I'm swedish!
- doomsquirrel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As they say, "Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely".
Republican President
Republican Senate
Republican House
Soon-to-be-even-more-conservative Supreme Court, without Ms. O'Connor
Corruption and leaning too far to any one side is always going to be bad. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0＞ "All violators will be sent to Iraq."
Don't worry... while you're doing your time in the country pokey, you will get a visit from the local recruiter. - Drood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Math Genius: You're just as big a *****. Cars, shirts... All the same. You are DEPRIVING SOMEONE OF PROPERTY. A finite physical resource.
Again, until such time as you and your friend BloodOmen can explain, in clear terms, how this compared to downloading a movie, you should probably both go and hide until you can formulate a better argument that doesn't make you sound like an cretin. - serpentor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0um did anyone actually read the details? The proposal includes:
"A change in the law that would recognize a copyright in a criminal case before it is filed with the Register of Copyrights so authorities don't have to prove that thousands of MPAA works pirated over the Internet are all copyrighted;"
"BEFORE it is filed"?! PRE-EMPTIVE copyright! That means potentially any content leaked to the internet from any source in any way could later be turned into a lawsuit.
"Make it a crime to attempt to infringe a copyright"
Just an attempt?! So by logging in to my torrent site I'm already commiting a felony? Great... - Drood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bloodomen: You're the bigger idiot if you choose to use your shirt analogy. It's moronic, as are you if you think that compares.
Sure, you say they haven't lost a sale as you weren't going to buy it. HOWEVER, what your pitifully tiny brain fails to take into account is the fact that by taking the shirt, you're depriving them of the ability to sell it to someone else.
When you download Episode III, that doesn't happen. All you anti-piracy boneheads who post on places like here and Slashdot always come up with these ***** analogies, without realising how stupid you sound. You cannot equate someone downloading the latest Radiohead album with nicking the same album from a store. It's a material thing. There's a finite amount of them.
Movies, music etc... It's capacity is infinite. It's possible to take one DVD, one CD, and make an exact duplicate for every single person on the planet.
Now please explain to me how that can happen with your shirt. Until such time as you can, shut the ***** up with your asinine, ill thought out analogy. - zelig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0At least if Kerry was President, he wouldn't enforce those pesky piracy laws!
And we'd have a cool welfare state like France, where everybody is happy - monfoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've been Republican all my voting life. no more from now on I vote Libertarian or Independant
- ChewOnMyFace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What seems to be caught by some, but missed by so many others is that this law is not meant to enforce what is there, but to widen the net. This law will mean that anyone attempting to infringe a copyright can be a criminal. This means that any activity beyond what the RIAA states you should be able to do with music that you pay for may become a criminal offense instead of a civil one. Thus, when I buy a CD, rip it to my PC and put it on my IPod to listen to on a commute, I may become guilty of a criminal offense. Though I have not shared this with anyone and paid to use the music, I am unable to do what I want with what I paid for.
Large piracy operations are already illegal. They are already being investigated and criminally prosecuted. The problem is that this law itself will widen the net to have more people entitled as criminal. This law is in no way in existence to prosecute large piracy rings. The law is there so that companies can be given the ability to tell you what you can do with a 20 dollar CD. Since we see now that Sony doesn't want their CDs on an IPod, I guess that eventually, we will have to have a .mp3 player for each music publishing company. This is in fact creating a criminally enforceable law to force Americans to buy more crap or else face imprisonment. Instead of listening to a Sony CD in the future on my IPod, I guess I will have to have an IPod for ITunes music, a Sony player for Sony artists, a Microsoft player for a certain few who will make you have to use Media Player and so on. This is not about terrorism at all. This is a way for Bush and Gonzalez to earn money on future stock investments in RIAA companies. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I don't know... maybe they should do it for the love of writing quality software? Which seems to be better motivation than the one Microsofties have developed panache for (the love of money)."
I don't see you working for free.
"...but every Sunday there's a church buffet and if you bring something, you often times find that what you get in return is del.icio.us just because you didn't have to cook it. You can get anything you want at Alice's re... (oh, never mind, wrong generation)."
Oh, so you still have to bring something, so i can't just go to your church, put everything in a sack and carry em home.
"No. You wake up. Look, if Adobe charged $20 for a copy of Photoshop, do you really think anyone would bother pirating it? The risks are just too great (and I'm not talking about the risk of getting "caught")."
Lots of cheap software being pirated, so yes, even if someone price software at a low price, it's still more expansive than free. And second, how many people honestly need all the features of photoshop? They pirate it because they can, not because they need it.
"First, you're usually hanging you're host out there on the internet using transfer software of unknown quality and then once you have the files pulled down, you have no way of knowing what has been modified and what it has been modified to do (it is widely know that malware pervades the warez world)."
Obviously you have never seen the real underground piracy world.
"Software should cost about as much as a best seller hard back book... and don't give me a bunch of crap about software being harder to make than a book. The average Hollywood movie is 10x harder to make than the average software package and those don't cost $100s to obtain a copy of (and don't misunderstand me here, these are overpriced as well)."
Hollywood movie more difficult to make than software? You obviously never learned how to write software.
"the would encourage file sharning and start nailing every country flea market open trunk boot legger to the wall with roofing nails... but their not concerned about terrorism in regards raising funds using illegitimate copies of first run movies)"
Where do you think flea market bootleggers get their goods? from p2p.
"Fight terrorism by putting a flea market bootlegger out of business by download movies over bittorrent."
lol, warez sellers are more flexible than RIAA/MPAA, they are already offering online warez download at a low price. Guaruentees no virus, complete files, and fast upload rate.
"How would you like that? Would you actually like me to encourage the concept that: if no money changes hands, then there is no possibility for terrorism to happen"
ya, i would like to see you burn all your money. - stark23x, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0WHERE IS THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WE WERE PROMISED?
Criminalizing what is clearly a civil matter goes against everything the Republican party is supposed to be about.
I try to resist Bush Derangement Syndrome, but damn...the man just keeps pushing me and pushing me... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> Republican President
> Republican Senate
> Republican House
> Soon-to-be-even-more-conservative Supreme Court,
The first three can be changed relatively quickly (not that I think it would make a difference with any other party in control), but that last one... man, you're stuck with what you got until the fsckers kick the bucket. Maybe the should make a law that you can't appoint supreme court judges unless they're over 65 years of age... I guess it only makes a difference if you respect the legal system based upon merit rather than credability; unfortunately it passed over that line a long, long time ago. - Drahknon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Criminalizing what is clearly a civil matter goes against everything the Republican party is supposed to be about."
Why is it a civil matter? Want to know the legal difference between "criminal" and "civil?" A legislature decides that the activity ought to be punishable with prison time or some other loss of liberty. Then it's criminal. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Dumb ass liberals thinkin they themselves "don't care about money", what a joke.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I've been Republican all my voting life. no more from now on I vote Libertarian or Independant"
OMFG, republican and democrats are quaking in their boots. - ericpp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I highly doubt most of the pirates in the US make money from it. If they want to go after those people, they should really be looking at China........
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0REMEMBER, P2P, TORRENT LEECHERS ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PIRACY FOOD CHAIN.
. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> Thus, when I buy a CD, rip it to my PC and
> put it on my IPod to listen to on a commute,
> I may become guilty of a criminal offense.
Yeah... normally I would think nothing of this, but then I just think back and remember that scene in running man where shartzie catches the *artist* with "unauthorized content"... (remember, kiddies, the future was supposed to be Bad(tm) in that movie). Well, he's fscking Governor of California now! I think we can all expect to see a whole hell of a lot more of this non-sense in the future.
> And we'd have a cool welfare state like France,
> where everybody is happy
We already have a welfare state, you jackass. Or weren't you watching when New Orleans got ran over?
If you don't think there's an equivalent amount of upward mobility in the US as there is in France, you're even stupider than I might have imagined.
> I've been Republican all my voting life.
> no more from now on I vote Libertarian or
> Independent
How many other people fit this description: republican father, democrat mother, so I spit the difference and registered independent. Haven't voted since carter because I don't participate in fake events that are held simply to keep me distracted. If the American people haven't figured it out by now, the two party system sucks and is just about as tired as tag-team "professional" wrasselen'. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0REMEMBER, P2P, TORRENT LEECHERS ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PIRACY FOOD CHAIN.
NOBODY GIVE A ***** ABOUT P2P LAMERS.
. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> If you steal everything from those who write
> the software, what possible motivation would
> they have for writing more software.
I don't know... maybe they should do it for the love of writing quality software? Which seems to be better motivation than the one Microsofties have developed panache for (the love of money).
> You people seem to think there's a such thing
> as a free lunch!
...but every Sunday there's a church buffet and if you bring something, you often times find that what you get in return is del.icio.us just because you didn't have to cook it. You can get anything you want at Alice's re... (oh, never mind, wrong generation).
> Wake up!
No. You wake up. Look, if Adobe charged $20 for a copy of Photoshop, do you really think anyone would bother pirating it? The risks are just too great (and I'm not talking about the risk of getting "caught"). First, you're usually hanging you're host out there on the internet using transfer software of unknown quality and then once you have the files pulled down, you have no way of knowing what has been modified and what it has been modified to do (it is widely know that malware pervades the warez world).
Software should cost about as much as a best seller hard back book... and don't give me a bunch of crap about software being harder to make than a book. The average Hollywood movie is 10x harder to make than the average software package and those don't cost $100s to obtain a copy of (and don't misunderstand me here, these are overpriced as well).
This discussion that we're having about "piracy" is not a discussion about right and wrong; it is a discussion about mediating the supply and demand curve in a way that will favor Hollywood and screw the consumer. It is about fake ethics (that have already been codified... Fair Use *exists*) and fake concerns (terrorism? Please... if they were really concerned about terrorism, the would encourage file sharning and start nailing every country flea market open trunk boot legger to the wall with roofing nails... but their not concerned about terrorism in regards raising funds using illegitimate copies of first run movies)
Maybe I should start my own grass roots campaign:
Fight terrorism by putting a flea market bootlegger out of business by download movies over bittorrent.
How would you like that? Would you actually like me to encourage the concept that: if no money changes hands, then there is no possibility for terrorism to happen (...and here, I'm taking about domestic, corporate terrorism that RIAA/MPAA uses in their civil law extortion suits that they're currently having a fair amount of success running up the flag pole). - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"At least if Kerry was President, he wouldn't enforce those pesky piracy laws!
And we'd have a cool welfare state like France, where everybody is happy"
don't forget the fact that Clinton signed the DMCA law. - zelig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0what a great argument
- zelig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I guess it's the normal state of 17 year-olds to expect everything for free. You can't argue with someone who never even had to clean their room.
- kuru225, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0all this time when i go on IRC or Torrent sites i hand no idea that
I was funding Terrorism.
Thank you Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for making me aware of my virtually harmless act is funding the people that want to blow me up. -
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