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- bubbagump, on 10/12/2007, -3/+50Digg is not just about tech. This is sorted under "links" -- its perfectly appropriate.
- skunkman62, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44it's been the "in" for the past 30 years.
- solidcube, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28It's really not all that hard to do this, you just need to practice a lot (like so many other things.)
Much of the secret of power and speed is channeling the force up through the legs. You can punch with arm and shoulder force alone, but the really huge power comes from your waist, hips and quads - ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26I think about 90% of youtube is that way.
- TheCount, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23As Bruce would say, "Board's don't hit back."
- ArcaneDevice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21If this was playing to popular hype it would be about Jet Li or Jackie Chan. Bruce Lee was the "cool" thing back in the 70s, now he's just a part of martial arts history.
And it's more science and tech related than an article on Family guy which you Dugg Berean. At last check, that was a prime time cartoon. - dickeytk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19digg isn't about tech news, it's about whatever we, the users, choose it to be about.
- solidcube, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18cnt2 Bruce also said that a karate punch was like getting hit by a crowbar while a kung fu punch was like getting hit by a metal ball on the end of a chain; that's because the energy is more flexible as you said as opposed to being strictly lever-like.
Chinese stuff is much harder to understand and perfect, so I think it's not that great for self defense or police applications etc where speed of learning is important, but ultimately I think it's much more effective than karate and other methods.
Getting something moving fast, early, is the most important and difficult part of the acceleration curve. Once it's moving like this, arm power adds to the speed and therefore to the final power of the strike. - admirabumblebee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Technology does not mean "having nothing to do with the human body". Everytime there's something on digg that isnt' some sort of retarded gadget a bunch of 'police' jump out whining about how it's not technology.
Technology: the science of the application of knowledge to practical purposes
1" punch is significantly closer to being technological than quite a majority of gadget related posts on digg. - Xalorous, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19didn't realize it has to be tech to be dugg...
I guess that's why there's all those categories - CynicalBastard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14"same principles can be applied in the bedroom"
what the one or three inch thing? - iWorks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15not too many sports "allow" you to punch your opponent (excluding chess)
- KissTheRing, on 10/12/2007, -30/+41I can't stand these american martial arts guys. Most of them are lame mullet sporting guys who claim to be half american indian, half asian and half cowboy and they don't even realize how wrong their math in that is.
- kurtu5, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12The physics don't lie eh? What physics are you talking about?
How about a continuous transfer of angular momentum, starting from the toes? This of it this way, your body can be equated to a truss system for a classic statics analysis.
To compare the forces involved, lets compare a hay maker to a one inch punch.
Hay maker - general truss elements, the shoulder, the humerus, the radius and ulna and finally the metacarpals and phalanges. General torque elements, the chest muscles, the bicep, the forearm and the muscles of the wrist and hand. Analysis, the truss structure is cocked back and then the chest muscles apply a torque to the humerus. The bicep imparts further torque on the radius/ulna. The metacarpals and phalanges are generally already locked. So do the analysis and add up all the torques and you can determine the initial forces on the cocked position. Now an additional analysis is required for the hay maker. You need to take in account the acceleration of the fist through the distance to the target. That is the hay maker allows time for this acceleration whereas the one inch gives you little.
One inch punch - General truss elements; toes, metatarsals, tarsals, tibia, femur, hips, spine and ribs, shoulder blades, humerus, radius/ulna, carpals, metacarpals, phalanges. General torque elements; all the muscles connecting each listed truss element. Note that the hay maker torque musculature is a subset of the one inch punch musculature. Perform the same analysis as above but include all these superposition torques and ignore the one inch of acceleration.
Now compare these relatively simple analyses. The one inch punch utilizes more muscle groups yet has little time to build acceleration. So is this enough to determine which one has more power? I would reason that the available power in each is probably very close. If this is the case, then why waste all that time with hay makers, when I could use short power and not have to pull my limbs away from protecting my core? - Tyberius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Since when do you have a choice in a fight?
The majority of fights that I've been in (I was a bouncer at a bar for a couple of years) happened while touching someone - someone bumped into me and started hitting and grappling. With the crush of bodies around you, you couldn't back up to get a swing in. A head butt, knee to the mid-section, larynx grab or one-inch-punch was all you had. - cnt2infinity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I remember this being explained as the human body simulating a controlled whip. Just one way to visualize it.
- majorbabu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5196281035918129126&q=one+inch+punch&pl=true
- Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Yeah, we use a finger length punch, which is similar - basically, touch a board with the tips of your outstretched fingers, then collapse your fingers as you punch; I've broken a couple of boards this way and I know guys who've broken a stack of 5 that way.
- Dannychico, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15For the last time - Digg isn't just a technology news site. As it becomes more popular, more and more general interest stories are going to get dugg. The beauty of the site is that it shows only what people want to see most, so your attitude is pretty inconsequential.
- 83457, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9but creating power in a short distance is important in most contact sports
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9who says this isn't tech? This is a wonderful technique of self defense and sparring. I call Martial Arts a wonderful technology which hardly requires anything else than your own human body.
Tech is not just electronics/gadgets/software etc. - spearbritney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I've also wondered how these UFC/Pride fighters will do against someone who's been training to hit them in the eyes, nose, throat, fish-hook the mouth, and rip their nuts out in general.
- Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9eh. It's kind of hard to get your legs into a 1" punch. The whole point of the 1" and 3" punches is to teach yourself to throw punches as quickly as possible without any wind up that would warn your target.
Bruce Lee taught this because his basic idea about real fights (not movie fights) is that you should finish it with the very first hit. - SnapETom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8LOL.
Berean's been banned!!!
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You have entered an invalid username." - Xalorous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The force behind the punch is developed throughout the body, but the punch itself only moves 1 inch.
You're probably thinking that you can generate greater force or velocity with a longer punch. And you might be right, but the length of the movement makes it easier to see, and therefore block.
With these short range punches, you touch the target and then hit them with only minute drawback. The target would have to move your arm a much further distance than your punch has to travel, making the punch very difficult to defend. - Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7those noises come from all the replacement joints that have to be installed - after years of martial arts, your elbows, knees, wrists, they're all a mess.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8If you master the one-inch punch do you start making those cool metal sounds you hear in those old chinese karate movies?
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yea... funny how it reminds you of that... when they talk about that clip IN THE MOVIE...
c'mon - skunkman62, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Amazing!!!!! No Chuck Norris Thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- kurtu5, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules
Fouls: [Top]
1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.
So in MMA I can't pull my knee up and elbow that back of a shooter's head or neck between my knee and elbow. This would be my defense against a shooter. Rules 9 and 10. In fact rule 9 is why you MMA fan boys think the shoot is so powerful, yeah cause you are not allowed to practicaly defend against it.
I can't attempt to rip out the trachea nor strike it. Rule 11.
Things I would do if grounded; I can't eye gouge. Rule 1. Nor could I fishhook. Rule 5/7. Nor can I break fingers or toes. Rule 8.
I can't grab their clothing. Rule 20.
Can't kick, punch or rip the genitals. Rule 6.
And the daddy of them all? Don't cause intentional injury. WTF? All my training tells me to cause intentional injury. You break an arm, knee cap, clavicle or whatever to win. Rule 20.
MMA/UFC is a sport guys. A sport. It has rules. - solidcube, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5unrulyfellows: Go find a JKD school in your area, go there and tell the head instructor to hit you in the chin with a one inch punch. Or in the chest. Then you'll understand.
Can't blame you for not believing it, but lemme tell you it's real. The way it works is this: the momentum comes from parts of the body from the feet up, all rotating into place and adding their power to the next piece of the chain. When it gets to the hand, there's a huge amount of power behind the blow.
If they did it open handed it wouldn't make your skin sting like a slap does; it feels like a very powerful shove. - knupso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That is because Chuck Norris wins any fight. This is a discussion of how lowly mortals fight.
- codechino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5There were traditional martial artists in the very early UFC's, and they usually did well. Grappling styles won out in the end, which isn't surprising, considering UFC was started by the Gracie family and ended up being passed to an American organization (iirc).
Basically, UFC isn't a very reliable test for style effectiveness. - kurtu5, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Actually you use more than you hips. It should be a continuous ripple of muscle starting with the toes, up through the ankles, calfs and etc all the way to the knuckles.
The really nice thing about this is that your limbs dont have to extend. You dont have to use a hay maker to generate and deliver power. Plus its great if your into infighting. - Xanin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10they teach this at my martial arts academy, it's more impressive to see in person
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4One of the basics in karate is that, yes, punching power comes from your core and your hips, not your arms or shoulders. Once I finally got my techniques down, it helped immensely in other sports. My shot in hockey improved immensely as a result, as did my ability to throw a football or smash a tennis ball.
The application of these basics can easily be transferred to other sports. I'm not sure why my hockey coaches didn't focus more on these fundamentals. - jasondefaoite, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Why post the same thing again? You were buried before ... and most probably will be again.
- drunkenoaf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5UFC's rules are somewhat biased towards grappling arts.
- mockworld, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@kurtu5
Sure the UFC has it's rules (although the first few competitions lacked any rules), but it's still the closest thing we have to real fighting in organized competition. Do you really think that choreographed jumps and strikes in a Kung Fu movie are closer to real fighting than the UFC? - fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"There is little you can do if someone bigger then you is diving for your legs"
No?
o Jump over them -- new engagement or disengagement
o Jump away from them -- new engagement or disengagement
o Jump up and come down on their spine or neck with a snapping leg technique -- severs spinal nerve pathways
o Drop and thumb-hook out an eye or both -- instantly blind (from overpressure), disoriented
o Drop and implement any one of many arm locks -- break the arm at the finger, wrist, elbow or shoulder
o Knuckle or spear-finger through either temple -- death or brain damage
o Kick them in the throat -- carotid overpressure causes instant unconsciousness, possibly death
o Drive upwards, typically with the palm or the closed knuckles, from the tip of the nose towards the region between the eyebrows -- unconsciousness, brain damage, possibly death
...and so on. Traditional martial arts offer many 100% effective solutions for the sport-oriented wrestling techniques you see on the IQ-reduction box.
In short, UFC and related events are not "fights." When *actually* fighting, the win goes to the first fighter to deliver a crippling technique of *any* kind, or when the opponent surrenders for whatever reason. There are no "rules." As soon as there are rules, most traditional martial arts are not so much ineffective, as they are irrelevant. That isn't the environment they are designed to work in, and more to the point, you're not allowed to use what works.
Saying that traditional martial arts are ineffective because you saw some wrestler grapple a traditional marital artist into submission under sporting rules is like saying that a tiger is not dangerous because you've only seen one behind bars.
Which is no more than one might expect; after all, traditional martial arts are meant for fighting. Not for selling vitamin supplements. - Xalorous, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Can I do it to your nose?
- kurtu5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Like what oh great one? MMA? Come on say it. Or mui tai kick boxing? Say it.
If you actually ever practice any martial art for any period of time greater than 2 minutes, you might realize that they are all talking about the same thing but in a different language. Each system eventually starts sounding just like any other.
Its like saying, perl is better and properly sorting a list than python. No, each language eventually will give you the properly sorted string. Both languages talk about variables and classes, but they implement them differently.
Well hate to break it to you, but most martial arts systems eventually inform the practicioner of basic fighting techniques. I watch north american boxing and see kung fu in it all the time. I watch MMA and see my kung fu all over it. I see my kung fu in every good martial art. Does this mean my kung fu is superior? No, it means that we are all approaching the same thing from different angles. - danjal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3... for sombody who's a 'one inch punch' guy, should practice the 'takeing small steps' with his food, thats one hell of a double chin.
- cnt2infinity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Jet-Li also brought back the one inch punch in 'Danny the Dog' when fighting the stranger in the final scene. Of course this was on camera though. It is also praised in a song called 'Not Another Drugstore Cowboy' performed by The Chemical Brothers.
- kenplaysviola, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I agree with you and have always wondered how effective and practical the traditional martial arts really are in reaworld fights. Havings watched UFC and Pride fights, it seems like the ones who win are the ones who can take the other person down and do some kind of submission hold. Once in awhile you do get those lucky clean shots and blows where it knocks the other person out.
- Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The 1" punch is mostly for training the muscles. In the real world, however, you could use it as a surprise strike.
For example, say you and I are having an argument, and you start getting in my face - I put up my open hands in a "whoa, settle down" gesture. If you keep getting closer, that gesture can instantly switch to a punch - it might be a 9" or 12" punch, but it's still a punch that I can throw straight out without having to pull my arm back to "*****" it. - RickySan65, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Size and strength are more important then people realize. " I'm guessing you's a american coming out with a statement like that.. Strength and size are irrelivant in martial arts, i've seen a skinny small guy wipe the floor with a big muscular guy.. the phrase "the bigger they are, the harder they fall" is in fact true. It's all about skill and experience.
- kurtu5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Mockworld, what a strawman. I never said "choreographed jumps and strikes in a Kung Fu movie are closer to real fighting than the UFC".
I was answering ramiro, who asked, "How are UFC's rules biased towards grappling arts???"
Now here is what I say, I say MMA/UFC is nothing like real fighting. Thats what I say. Where in a real fight would someone observe the rules I posted above? - skunkman62, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21st ever comment dupe!!1! you funny
- FluffyArmada, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@MacMixMaster
So that's what they call it now? ;) -
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