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- shakin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12LOL, MPAA Prez said "I was really surprised at how if you go to them nonconfrontationally they respond in kind."
So this guy is surprised that when you're nice to people -- rather than try to sue them out of their life savings -- they are also nice to you? What a revelation.
The MPAA hasn't treated their customers very well (overpriced DVDs, skyrocketing movie ticket prices, etc) and the customers responded by finding the movies for free. Maybe now that this guy understands the Golden Rule, the MPAA will have better luck fighting piracy.
Bring on the $10 new release DVDs with no bonus features and $5 cinema tickets. Cut Julia Roberts' contract down to $2 million (better yet, find a good actress instead) and we'll all win. Movie stars will still be millionaires, customers will want to go see more movies and the movie studios will make billions of dollars. - ploafmaster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6WOW, goat3. That's fantastic. Let's make all movies free forever. Wait a minute - it still costs money to MAKE movies. Yes, it costs too much because the actors/studio folks want too much, but for cryin' out loud, it's not free to make them, so why should we get them all for free?
I like the idea of an iTunes-like distro, though it doesn't have to be iTunes. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+16if it isnt "all movies are free to download forever" then i dont give a ***** i aint payin for *****.
- freonchill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2well lets thing about it - if we "pay" for something, then why are we "donating" our hard earned (or paid for) broadband connection to help other paying members... UNLESS
they do something where if you share bandwidth load you get a reduced price, ie: 1:1 ratio = $1.99 for a movie; 0:1 ratio = $4.99
which, provided the files dont suck (aka, wmv, drm, etc) then it could be interesting - Live4Soccer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"And the MPAA doesn't even have to pay for bandwidth to distribute. Who gets screwed again?"
Good Point. No way in hell I'm using my bandwidth allotment to distribute DRM Movies on BEHALF of the MPAA!!!
Of course the MPAA was "non-confrontational", Bram!!! You numpty, they're drooling all over the instant bandwidth you're offering and they avoid having to cut deals with Yahoo!, Google, or Apple on pricing on top of it.
Bram gets rich and we get screwed. No thanks...I'll keep using my own "pricing model" of Rent, Rip, and Burn... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2$2 high quality DRM free movies and I'm in. Maybe $4 for HD movies...
but DRM free! - Philoushka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So does that mean all the money that has been donated to Bram (remember all those cheesy cutesy pictures of this dude with long hair) will be refunded promptly? Serves people right for donating to some cheesehead who's so self-describedly poor; f*cker sells out to the jackass 'establishment'.
- rewritable, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ok, i'll pay to download but I wanna WATCH IT WHEN I WANT AND HOWEVER MANY TIMES I ***** WANT TO WITH NO GODDAMN PIECE OF ***** DRM SEARCHING MY HARDDRIVE AND DELETING MY ***** IF I DONT WATCH IT IN TIME, ***** THAT!
- dknighton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"if it isnt "all movies are free to download forever" then i dont give a ***** i aint payin for *****."
Goat, you obviously are as stupid as your own statement. You have no comprehension of a viable economic model, and you are a thief to boot. People like yourself are the ones harming the image of peer to peer networks.
I think the whole center of the battle between the RIAA, MPAA, Peer to Peer and end users is that we want this method of distribution. We're not asking you to give it away for free, but this technology represents the future of how we get digital content. We want this method of delivery, we don't want you to rape us on price, and we want the rights to be fair. I don't like paying to buy an album or song, and then realizing that I actually own nothing...I'm just paying to RENT it (Wal-Mart, I'm looking in your direction). - toekneebullard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You guys act suprised...Cohen as been saying from the beginning that he wants to turn bittorrent into a marketable service.
- rmitchell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I hate the MPAA as much as every other person on here but I don't really see the problem in this. Bittorrent is open source so if the MPAA gets there hands on it the best they can do is close this port or that and we'll still have the next programmer come along and adjust the code to work again. If we can find any way to make the MPAA compliant then that's pressure off the backs of the rest of us
- clevershark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Time to look out for horsemen, flying pigs and cats & dogs living together.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It was me that said "I was really surprised at how if you go to them nonconfrontationally they will still burn you at the stake after the lynch mob is done with you. They will then put your remains next to the RIAA board members. Eh I guess it all depends on what he has to offer... but the RIAA is still getting it, at least the MPAA still has a chance in my eyes to correct their ways.
- ksgant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1DON'T GO BRAM!!! IT'S A TRAP!
The MPAA secret police will probably wisk him away and this will be the last we ever hear from Mr. Cohen. - Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1why would Bram be involved? He invented some of the bit torrent PROTOCOL, and the original implementation of this PROTOCOL.
Nowdays, just about everyone uses someone elses implementation of this PROTOCOL.
A protocol is basically a set of rules you have to follow for other clients to understand you, its usualy written up as a document, not a program.
What kind of negotiating power does Bram have, in taht case? Its an open protocol and others besides him make changes to it. - mikolby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And the MPAA doesn't even have to pay for bandwidth to distribute. Who gets screwed again?
- h198x, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm down with $10 movie DVDs sans-extras. I can't remember the last time I actually watched any of that *crap* anyway. It's the MPAA's version of the "rustproofing" and "undercoating" car salesmen always try to get you to buy.
Don't need it, don't want it.
Less is more. - Live4Soccer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"$2 high quality DRM free movies and I'm in. Maybe $4 for HD movies...
but DRM free!"
That all ready exists. It's called "Rent the movie, rip with DVD Shrink"...Viola! DRM free movie that you can watch on any player YOU want... - Remmy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The MPAA cannot close a port. This has nothing to do with the MPAA having a vested interest in the development of BitTorrent. More than likely, they are working on a derivative of the BitTorent protocal to distribute DRM content via a heavily monitored network. $2 for a movie from the MPAA? Don't count on it. They will milk it for every penny you are willing to pay.
Either way, it sounds like the MPAA is starting to see a need for a new model. I believe it's a little too late however. With all the lawsuits they have issued, their customer base has been damaged. - MattH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0iTunes that uses a swarming p2p protocol (LX systems) is already availible its called Peer Impact www.peerimpact.com
- mtalon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Most likely the end result of this will be an iTunes like app that uses BitTorrent to share the movies you already own with those who purchase them. You won't be able to view the movies outside the app, and they will be DRMd to only work with the PCs they are licensed to (like iTunes).
BitTorrent won't be changed...just licensed for this particular use.
This, of course, is mere speculation. - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why do we even PAY actors? I mean jesus christ, they're already getting fame, what more do they want?
I like the idea of a distribution model based on BT, provided it's cheap and you get compensation for seeding. - McoreD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Lucky that BitTorrent is Open Source otherwise it would've been easily shut down like DVD Decrypter.
- jpturner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I see four years worth of P2P user names and corresponding IP's in the MPAA hands in about.... too late!
- Tsuroerusu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I just pray that Bram won't incorporate DRM into BitTorrent, that would just trash it completely if you ask me!
I'm glad there's so many different clients out there along with with a lot of tracker software so BitTorrent never will be riddled with DRM. - joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"allofmp3.com rules.."
From a consumer standpoint...not an artist standpoint.
Check out eMusic.com if you don't like DRM, but like to support the creators of the music. - jpturner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1NO MORE TV COMMERCIALS BEFORE THE MOVIE, MOVIE STARTS ON TIME, SODA+POPCORN+CORNDOG=MY MONTHLY CAR PAYMENT=BAD,DVD OF MOVIE AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AS I LEAVE THE THEATER=GOOD BUSINESS=PIRATE MOVIES MOSTLY GO AWAY. = HAPPY MOVIE GO'ers (wake up MPAA, update your marketing model is freakin 2005 not 1925)!!!!!
- Live4Soccer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Oh great...
"Cohen...Satan. Satan...Cohen."
"Hello Mr. Cohen. How much is your soul worth?"
Please tell me someone is coming up with another BitTorrent like program that isn't in bed with Satan and his minions... - joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Grow up people. No content company is going to sell DRM free media files. It's simply not going to happen. We need to stop shouting "No DRM!!!" and start figuring out what a reasonable DRM solution would look like."
There is no reasonable DRM. That's why we're shouting. - jrclements, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0actually it was cohen that said "I was really surprised at how if you go to them nonconfrontationally they respond in kind."
i'll be interested to see what develops from this. but, i don't think i'll be buying digital distribution movies just yet. - cobaltgrc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0we'll see where this leads.
- sailor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yeah, why so suprised? If you have been watching tech news you would know that internet distribution of movies, tv ...etc is a idea that has been in the works for quite a while now...the future is now
- jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If the dinosaur is finally starting to evolve I think it's time for a Bush style "Mission Accomplished" banner, even though it may be too soon to tell.
- nasalexport, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5word to goat3
- jarod3371, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0oh, and i forgot, if the music labels just made something like allofmp3 here in the states, they would be rolling in dough. i spent like 150 dollars their already. collectivly, i would bet allofmp3 makes way more money than itunes.
- ninxmz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What's with the dumb ***** demanding free movies?
- Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So, Movielink now uses BitTorrent? Does that mean Mac users can use the stinkin' site?
- zander106, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Interesting point from the Newsweek article remmy posted in the comments above:
What's the BitTorrent business plan?
We're setting up a marketplace for selling content online, and it's going to be both pay-per-download and advertising space. We're aiming to have some amount of content that you can't get elsewhere, but we're aiming to be fairly all-inclusive in terms of if you want to get content online, you can just go to our Web site and get it. - awesinine, on 07/15/2009, -0/+0Ummmm, maybe they're getting married. Anyone stop to think about that?
- Blackthorne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Where's the real link to this article? Am I to believe that SlyckTom wrote this?
- okcookienc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The protocol will still be used by pirates until a faster, more secure protocol is invented.
- strangeman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This isn't a new development. IIRC the BBC is using bittorrent to implement their thing on distributing all BBC series of the past seven days (not released to the public, yet). They thought bittorrent would be a good idea because they have control over the 7-day period by just removing the files from the tracker(s). Of course with the appearal of distributed tracking this is not possible anymore.
Anyway.. the point is: The MPAA are not the first to discover BitTorrent for their "commercial" purposes. Only the BBC thing is not really commercial.. it is rather a service for the fee-paying UK citizens. - TTCross, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Where's the real link to this article? Am I to believe that SlyckTom wrote this?"
Sorry. Here is the link
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051122/ap_on_hi_te/downloading_movies;_ylt=AmUgjHOX.dPEn.ErE6.ONt.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3cjE0b2MwBHNlYwM3Mzg- - jarod3371, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i buy apple and microsoft music all the time. mostly microsoft. i then remove the drm. i use it anyway i want. total recorder is a great app. my ears cannot tell the difference. and allofmp3.com rules..
- Jersey2FL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0For creating Bit Torrent Bram deserves Bill Gates type money. Which has given more joy- downloads using Bit Torrent sites or Windows OS.
- Tracon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i wouldnt worry so much about any DRM. It takes people a matter of days to defeat. So even if they come up with a decent platform it will only feed into the pirate community hands. its in a visual and audio medium there for there will always be away to pirate it no matter what. So what if Bram helps other people with less ability get movies via the Internet. He's not selling out he's helping the less able get movie's hopefully cheaper than DVD prices.
oh and rogers isn't blocking bit torrent - TTCross, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hollywood, BitTorrent Reach Agreement
goutha submitted by goutha 1 hours 26 minutes ago (via http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...)
Hollywood negotiated an agreement Tuesday with the 30-year-old software designer Bram Cohen to prevent his Web site, bittorrent.com, from locating pirated versions of popular movies, effectively frustrating people who search for illegal copies of films, according to executives familiar with the deal - ultimav, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Look at a different angle.
The MPAA doesn't want the BT technology to make a version they can distribute to users persay on the internet.
They are looking to be able to cut out the packaging, delivery of the physical films on any media to the theaters.. IE, The theater would simply grab the torrent of a movie to play. Decreases the distributions costs signicantly to get the picture out to the theaters..
Thats where they are headed anyway--especially when directors like george lucas go straight digital recording..
just my $.02 - supagold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Grow up people. No content company is going to sell DRM free media files. It's simply not going to happen. We need to stop shouting "No DRM!!!" and start figuring out what a reasonable DRM solution would look like. DRM doesn't have to mean that you receive an electric shock to your genitals every time you try to copy your Celine Dion album to an MP3 player. (Although if you like Celine Dion, that might not be a bad idea...) Microsoft and Apple's implementation isn't actually that bad. If we don't know what we want, then the MPAA and RIAA is just going to feed us whatever they feel like.
- MattH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If recent announcements in the content distribution and p2p space are any indication its going to have DRM .
http://digg.com/movies/NBC_Universal_to_use_peer-to-peer_file-sharing -
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