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- codelogic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35Dude, the Bluray-HDDVD war isn't about which disc has more storage, it's about which format will become the standard for HD movies. The Hitatchi-Maxell 300GB Holographic disc isn't even in the picture, irrespective of how much data it can store.
- carl67lp, on 10/12/2007, -8/+34I was talking with my wife the other night about next-gen DVD players. I'm not quite ready to buy, but I know enough about each to form a discussion. While we chatted, my wife decided that HD-DVD must be better and would win. (Mind you, she's technically savvy, but not a geek.) Why did she form that opinion? Because the name has "HD," and she knows what HD is and why it's good. Blu-Ray makes no sense to her, at least as a name...that turns her off to the technology.
People see the "HD" in HD-DVD, and immediately have a sense of recognition. People buy things that they're familiar with, and are comfortable with. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20For the last time... there is no war.
Hybrid players will exist WHEN the players become common. Just like you can play DVD -R and +R in the same player, you'll be able to play blu-ray and HD-DVD.
Companies who manufacture the players will not alienate either one.
Please stop with this nonsense. - meltingrobot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17To be honest, I feel that the hi-def format war HAS NOT been anything but boring. :P
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20@betterth
FTFA:
"However, looking at the backside of the drive brings extreme frustration. It's unbelievable that Sony opted for P-ATA interface - it has been a year that the Xbox 360 has shipped with a S-ATA DVD drive, PlayStation 3 and Wii took the same route and used S-ATA standard inside their cases."
Don't make me say it. - edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Both standards have the SAME nasty DRM and I intend to purchase movies for neither (instead, only use them to archive HD media acquired otherwise). Blu-ray has a higher capacity. For me, it therefore wins. I don't give two ***** as to whether 'sony is evil' or somesuch nonsense. The two are essentially identical, except one has a higher capacity. Therefore (for me) it wins.
- Dag_Yo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17For anyone looking for a side-by-side comparison of HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray (capacities, recording method, etc.), check out this article on Engadget
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-state-of-the-s-union-s-division/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17I don't know, it just seems to me that despite BR being "better", Joe six pack will see HD DVD and automatically recognizing it.
Naming conventions is what will make Sony loose this war me thinks.
Part of me wants BR to succeed for its storage but part of me hates Sony for all of the ***** they've pulled in the last couple of years. - latova, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Here's the funny part; this article made front page yesterday: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36266
It might be "just" about the PS3, nevertheless, its very two sided. - krische, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Yeah, ***** sony and their damn proprietary format. Proprietary meaning it is a cooperation of more companies than HD-DVD. Proprietary meaning it uses a more open standard of Java compared to Windows CE.
- Ghengis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Um.... DVD is 720x480.... HD-DVD/BRAY goes up to 1920x1080i... that's a HUGE difference. Try looking at both side-by-side on a 50+ inch display, and you'll IMMEDIATELY see what I mean.
- shifty2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Apple and Dell have both adopted Blu-Ray... seems to me that the format is on the up and up.
- codelogic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11The hybrids are only an immediate solution for the uncertainty that exists TODAY. Eventually, one format is going to become more popular than the other and that format would have won. DVD-R and DVD+R aren't different formats, they are the exact same format that use _slightly_ different media.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9LOTR extended edition. All on one disc. That is all.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8By your not even acknowledging how cool a single disc of LOTR would be, I surmise you are not a True Geek.
- codelogic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray have mandatory support for the VC-1 codec:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1
Bitrates:
20 MBits/s 1280 x 720 / 30 (720p)
45 Mbit/s 1920 x 1080 / 24 (1080p)
1920 x 1080 / 30 (1080i)
1280 x 720 / 60 (720p)
135 Mbit/s 1920 x 1080 / 60 (1080p)
2048 x 1536 / 24 - naiku, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13I love how 2 days ago, HDDVD was winning and bluray might as well pack their bags.
Guess the consumers have to wait another month before finding which format is going to prevail - NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14"PICTURE QUALITY IS FINE AS IS.."
No it's not. DVD looks like an N64 game on an HDTV - Chris63084, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Why would anyone want an inferior medium? I don't know. Can't we look past the brands and systems that we like, and see that blu-ray is just better? 15 VS. 25 GIGS?! are you kidding me? I don't care which system wins more people whatever, screw ps3/xbox360, waste of time battling over something like that.
But for me, a pc user with LOTS of data, damn i hope blu-ray wins because I could use the space! - myxyplik, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11"Sadly, both standards are showing heavy DRM infestation when it comes to movie reproduction politics."
'nuff said. - Geekbeard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Don't worry, I feel Hollywood are a bunch of thieves too.
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Highly doubtful. Every person in the HD section of a BestBuy or CircuitCity is assailed by a salesperson pitching one or the other to go along with their new TV. The push to one or another has already started for HDTV owners.
- PleaseJustDie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@Ghengis
Actually, it can potentially go up to 1080p
"The HD DVD format supports a wide variety of resolutions, from low-resolution CIF and SDTV up to HDTV formats such as 720p, 1080i and 1080p." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD - dgritsko, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13codelogic: Dugg your comment both for your truthful statement and also for your use of the word "irrespective"
simpleid: Why not store movies on 500GB hard drives? Screw optical media, let's go all the way! Plus you can stack them like building blocks... think of the endless fun! - timlopez, on 10/12/2007, -15/+20The inquirer would be the only place I would expect this from.
- dzmetcalf, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I'm confident in Blu-Ray, it has two very important things, Disney backing it as well as the adult film industry, two very different, but very important markets to get for a new format.
- krische, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Agreed. As in the previous years, it is likely that APEX will come out with a cheap, 80 dollar, hybrid player that plays everything under the sun. It's only a matter or time.
- drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8With DVD Jon cracking AACS we can be even happier because AACS is adopted by both. So we will have hybrid drives that will be able to de-queerify both disks!
- Ghengis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Your HD-TV must be small.
- vokiel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Last I checked NEC has an hybrid chip, not a player. If there are hybrid players sold somewhere I'd like to get a link, thanks.
- addicted68098, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5To content providers HD-DVD isn't as good as Bluray, Blu-ray should get better quality and also is ultra tight on security. Atleast 80% of the content will go to Blu-ray regardless of how well HD-DVD takes. Also Blu-ray isn't sony's. And Sony isn't anywhere as terrible as Microsoft.
That is if E-Distrabution doesn't take off. - staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Naming conventions is what will make Sony loose this war me thinks."
I was in Best buy the other day and an older couple looked around and say the stands for hd-dvd and blu ray next to each other. Oddly enough they didn't run and pick up the HD-DVD disc then go searching for the player, instead they stopped and "asked" the employee about both. I don't buy the average consumer is a complete retard arguement. Yes millions of consumers make silly purchases but that is normally after they "felt" they have made an informed decision. - Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"It seems that Hollywood really thinks that all of its consumers are thieves, but we'll leave the socio-political rant at that."
Yes, let's leave the rant at that because that's reason enough not to invest in either. - vexter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I think he has a valid argument. What if neither option is accepted widely. Most people with HDTVs don't even know they are missing out using their old DVD players. Its very possible for some time to pass, and HOLO to have picked up steam before HD or Bluray ever gain a foothold on the common mans shopping list. I have a VERY tech savy friend who just picked up his first plasma, he had no clue he needed a new DVD player to get high resolution movies.
- darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4DVD's look good on standard definition TVs, but not on HDTVs; where as HD formats look good on HDTVs, but look the same or worse than standard definition (think the Dead Rising test issue) on a standard definition TV.
That's everything in a nut shell - unless you have a HDTV there is not much of a point in investing in a HD format player. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"It seems that Hollywood really thinks that all of its consumers are thieves, but we'll leave the socio-political rant at that."
ok, so how many of you havn't downloaded a movie? - apoc06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"there's not really a speed advantage -- it's just an unattractive cable."
in a year or so when motherboards no longer offer parallel ata connections, the drive will be utterly useless. and yes, there is a significant speed advantage when using serial ata. this specific drive may or may not benefit from it in regards to a higher burn speed, but the faster your computer can read and full its buffer, the more stable your burns will be. when you have 25- 50 gigs worth of data being burned at once, and it takes an hour of time investment on a $5-20 single disc this becomes a very important factor. - timjbart, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4DVDs don't have enough storage space for backing up my PC. The hi defs have better picture quality and better sound quality on movies. DVDs are old technology
- neko, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5They don't degrade fast enough.
- palmer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Combo players will not solve this problem. If anything, they'll perpetuate it or even result in the failure of both, because they'll ensure that neither wins. Isn't that obvious? Retailers can barely handle one new format at a time; they sure as hell aren't going to try to figure out how to stock two.
And speaking of merchandising, the publishers continue to insult the public and prove their ignorance with yet another bulky container. What is the point of a CD-sized disc format when it's inexplicably packaged in a fat, oversized plastic box that has greater volume than a 12-inch LaserDisc's packaging? And which doesn't fit in anyone's CD racks or shelves?
Yes, these are the companies whining about piracy, yet they earn our scorn with such egregiously stupid maneuvers. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@darkstar:
You really nailed the whole thing. I swear they should print that out on a big billboard and hang it in every electronics store next to the HDTVs and other HD equipment.
Watching HD content on an SDTV is like getting a hot trophy wife and staring at her through dirty smudged glasses. You just won't get the full picture. - SundayTrain, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Ha Ha!
"HD-TV Envy" - daridave, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I agree.
Besides, this kind of news would have raised my interest level in BD if it was posted about 8 months ago, but not today.
We're not knee-deep in the new formats war, it's still an early fight, but... anyway, interest level is at an all-time low. - apoc06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3dvds have pretty bad artifacts and definitely do not look as nice on larger hdtv screens. if you have already invested in an hdtv and you can afford one of the new formats, why not take advantage of that extra resolution that you paid for.
you dont have to rebuy your entire collection, standard dvds play in the next gen drives still, but you can buy new additions to your collection in a much better, higher quality format. - sideshowRAHEEM, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3After reading all of the comments in this thread, i have decided that i no longer care HD-DVD or Blue-Ray, just call me in 5 years and tell me witch one is the standard.
- DeepFreezed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3it's about a Blu-ray burner. nothing about actual blu-ray.
- Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yeah, the drive will be utterly useless -- unless you buy a $2 cable!
And I'm guessing the speed advantage is probably negligible for a burner. The upper end of the P-ATA spec is intended for hard drives. Since burners will always lag behind hard drives, it stands to reason that this drive wouldn't need any of the extra bandwidth provided by S-ATA. - paku, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7I'm already bored with this war, and yes I'm a thief.
I have no intention of using either format, and luckily for me, the movie industry cannot manufacture a justification for upgrading people's entire DVD collection. The jump from VHS to DVD was significant. The jump between DVD and HD-DVD or BLU-RAY is barely noticable on a HD-TV.
"You mean you can fit more extra features of Superman Returns on Blu-Ray? w00t.. Time to throw all my DVDs in the yard and burn them, so I can start over.." - vokiel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Listen, Holo storage is targetted towards the Backup market and that is for the next 4-5 years at least. This is like comparing oranges and apples, yes the Holo disk is a high storage medium disc like HD-DVD and Blu-ray, but the technology to read those is drastically different and I don't think people are aiming at providing reading speeds acceptable to view movies.
- Ghengis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@PleaseJustDie
Thanks for the info.... I've got this nasty habit of automatically adding an "i" after I type "1080" without even thinking about it or realizing it. -
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