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- Mithrander, on 11/11/2007, -1/+193DRM is dying a slow painful death... And to be honest, it's kind of fun to watch!
- sio2man, on 11/10/2007, -0/+135Hooray for hackers!
- raypricestandup, on 11/10/2007, -21/+154I create content for a living. Therefore, I have never and will never download other people's content without their consent. But blu-ray's DRM policy which assumes that all legitimate consumers are thieves has turned me into a criminal. Again, and again, each new blu-ray disc I purchased would force me to get an update (sometimes for many $$$.$$) to play my legally acquired media. Finally, I bought Sly Fox's AnyDVD HD and now I'm a Digital Millennium Copyright Act Criminal - but at least I can watch Spider Man 3 on my laptop. Go HD-DVD, young man.
- brianbennett, on 11/10/2007, -3/+108Raise your glass to history repeating itself... again.
- inactive, on 11/10/2007, -4/+94"DRM's sole purpose is to maximize revenues by minimizing your rights and selling them back to you." - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070115-8616 ...
- idiotwithastick, on 11/10/2007, -0/+73"Unlike the cracking community that defeated AACS, SlySoft will keep its crack under tight wraps. The company relies on sales of its products to fund its anti-DRM activities. Releasing the code in the wild would allow other developers to benefit from SlySoft's effort, something that they company says it can't afford."
Tomorrow's headline: "Crackers crack AnyDVD, distributes it free to the masses" - notjamt9000, on 11/11/2007, -8/+7509 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 Nevar forget!
- lukasmack, on 11/10/2007, -0/+59If they call it unbreakable then they were just asking for it to be cracked.
- ChromaVita, on 11/10/2007, -1/+55What, no string of digits that we can blast all over Digg, make shirts for, and get tattoos of? Lame.
- Ub3rg33k, on 11/10/2007, -7/+52Are you people even reading what he has to say before digging him down or are you just seeing "I create content for a living" and assuming he's pro-DRM?
- BanzaiBill, on 11/10/2007, -4/+39Ha HA!
- tuxidomasx, on 11/10/2007, -1/+29the engineers must be laughing at the management that keeps paying them to make something that has no way of every working. i know i would.
management: "hey, make this system where we encrypt media so the baddies cant get it"
engineers: "sooooo, how will legit users be able to use the media?"
management: "oh. we put the decryption key in the player"
engineers: "... you realize thats just dumb, right?"
management: "what? huh? just make it alright!" - bilbravo, on 11/10/2007, -2/+29Then you'd end up with... the original DRMed disc! AHHHH... (head explodes).
- Ub3rg33k, on 11/10/2007, -2/+29Not true. Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray utilize AACS. Blu-ray adds BD+ as an additional layer of DRM that HD-DVD does not possess. The only DRM HD-DVD has is AACS. So in terms of who suffers from "worse" DRM, it would clearly be Blu-ray.
- crimsonnblue, on 11/10/2007, -5/+30That would explain why the Blu Ray players are so slow. They have to load and un-load a virtual machine everytime content is accessed...
- inajeep, on 11/10/2007, -0/+24It's fun to watch but painful to be part of it.
- pintomp3, on 11/09/2007, -2/+25it's called digital rights management, but it's really digital restrictions management.
- norman619, on 11/10/2007, -1/+23I will never understand this kind of brand loyalty. How about going with the best option out there regardless of who makes it?
- TheFoolyCooly, on 11/10/2007, -1/+23engineers: "With my ridiculous salary, I'll even stamp it with my "unhackable" stamp"
- Jerky1312, on 11/10/2007, -0/+21You mean reverse engineering the reverse engineered program?
- SpongeBad, on 11/09/2007, -0/+20No, this wouldn't cover PS3 games. The BD+ layer uses a Java Virtual Machine, whereas PS3 games would be coded specifically for the PS3 and would use an abstraction layer (it would just slow things down). Hey...maybe that's how EA does their ports!
- RogerStrong, on 11/11/2007, -1/+20No.
Makeing it so that you can't use it on many new high definition monitors and TVs - and almost all old ones - because they don't support HDCP - is asking for it to be cracked.
Making them double the price of DVDs - so that you don't need to collect many before you have a significant investment that insurance companies won't cover - and denying you the ability to make an off-site backup - is asking for them to be cracked.
Going with two competing HD standards - with plenty of claims that either one will die - and denying those who buy into a standard the ability to shift their content to the other standard if one *does* die - is asking for it to be cracked. - inactive, on 11/09/2007, -1/+20Unfortunately its not hackers at all, its Slysoft (well I suppose Slysofts hackers) which means they will keep it secret so they can sell their software. This is a problem for the rest of us because they can be sued, brought out, won't work on other platforms and it won't help with BluRay on Linux.
Hopefully the Doom9 people will find a way and release the info, although it seems BluRay is going the way of BetaMax, and HDDVD has already been fairly well cracked (technically they can change the keys and stuff but I understand they can get the new ones without effort now). Since BD seems to actually be a small virtual machine it might not be so easy to reimplement, and copying the virtual machine would be a copyright violation (although in America any solution is a DCMA violation, arguable even learning about basic encryption is, god bless you land of the free) - HyperionCC, on 11/10/2007, -1/+17From the SlySoft forums:
6.1.9.6 2007 11 07
* New (Blu-ray): AnyDVD ripper copies BD+ titles
* New (Blu-ray): Removed "BD+ not supported" warning, as all available BD+ titles can be copied with AnyDVD ripper, or can be watched on HTPC without HDCP using PowerDVD 3104 and AnyDVD. Reports indicate, that burned BD+ titles work on PS3 and standalone players as well.
* Note to Twentieth Century Fox: As you can see, BD+ didn't offer you any advanced security, it just annoyed some of your customers with older players. So could you please cut this crap and start publishing your titles on HD DVD? There are thousands of people willing to give you money.
* Note to people considering to invest in HD media: Please buy HD DVD instead of Blu-ray. HD DVD is much more consumer friendly (e.g., no region coding, AACS not mandatory). Don't give your money to people, who throw your fair-use rights out of the window.
* New (HD DVD & Blu-ray): Support for more MKBv4 titles
* Some minor fixes and improvements
* Updated languages - inactive, on 11/10/2007, -1/+17Counting the PSP its
Hackers OVER 9000 - Sony 0 - masterdbugger, on 11/10/2007, -2/+17aren't the hackers at like 5245 points by now?
- inactive, on 11/10/2007, -0/+15American laws dont extend to Ireland so shove your Millennium copyrights act right up DRM supporters ass.
- WiseWeasel, on 11/12/2007, -1/+16Also, unlike BluRay, HD-DVD doesn't have any region control, so discs will play anywhere in the World.
- nizzy1115, on 11/09/2007, -3/+17does this mean ps3 games too? honestly i don't care, i happily own a 360 and not a ps3...but im just wondering if this is the same encryption that is used for games too?
- inactive, on 11/10/2007, -2/+16But i wanna watch it in High Def.
- warcin, on 11/09/2007, -0/+14A thousand copy protection developers will always lose to a million hackers. Copy protect only pisses of those who buy the stuff and only slightly slows down those who would take it. I have had to get cracked version of some of the games I have bought before since the copy protection made it unplayable on my machine, and that illustrates the whole flawed premise
- Bootes, on 11/09/2007, -10/+22HD-DVD has DRM that is just as bad.
- VladmirPutin, on 11/10/2007, -8/+20It gives you a sense of identity. see: Apple
- inactive, on 11/09/2007, -7/+18GJ SlySoft, Boo Sony and DRM Supporters
- dsmx, on 11/09/2007, -1/+12So now there going to spend even more money on an even more complex and stringent DRM scheme that will make disks unplayable on the majority of blu-ray players already sold, thus pissing off even more consumers and forcing more to piracy. So the cycle goes on....
- ubergeek09, on 11/09/2007, -0/+11Wow, you do know Blu-ray is made by Sony right?
- icepick314, on 11/09/2007, -1/+11after spending millions of dollars into research and have it cracked by just few hackers, why are they even trying?
all they're doing is wasting money while frustrating legit users who want to play their media anyway they want... - drachemorder, on 11/09/2007, -0/+10Cracking it and keeping the method secret doesn't do anyone much good. Then again, perhaps it can be reverse-engineered from the AnyDVD executable.
- Cerebral, on 11/09/2007, -0/+10Dugg only for taking a stab at EA :)
- Chandon, on 11/09/2007, -1/+11You wanted this: Stealing your rights and selling some of them back to you.
- ubergeek09, on 11/09/2007, -0/+9Awesome! In your face Sony!
- BitBurner, on 11/10/2007, -3/+12No your useless post is...
- Loonacy, on 11/10/2007, -0/+9Legitimate users must either purchase extra software, or pirate the software in order to make fair-use copies.
Pirates don't care either way. All it takes is one un-DRMed copy to spread, or they could pirate the ripping software.
Eventually these big corporations might learn that they're hurting legitimate users while not stopping piracy. But they probably won't. - staticneuron, on 11/09/2007, -3/+12"Blu-ray's one DRM "advantage" over HD DVD has apparently disappeared, as the newest beta of AnyDVD reportedly can rip discs protected with BD+."
No, BD+ was included just to keep fox sedated. And what is funny about that.... is that I never even knew whether or not fox actually used it.
Funny stuff apparently the hackers are HD-DVD fans and they think their efforts are going to entice fox to release on HD-DVD
"Note to Twentieth Century Fox: As you can see, BD+ didn't offer you any advanced security, it just annoyed some of your customers with older players. So could you please cut this crap and start publishing your titles on HD DVD? There are thousands of people willing to give you money."
Again whats worse about this spin is that the arstechnica reviewer refers to BD+ as unbreakable and then links to a previous article that says:
"According to the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), for hackers to successfully attack the BD+ system they would have to first extract the AACS keys (which has already been done quite successfully) and then overcome title-specific security code by reverse-engineering the BD+ virtual machine. While this last bit is definitely an additional challenge, it is by no means impossible."
The internet is getting sadder everyday. - inactive, on 11/11/2007, -0/+8Actually they canceled that key on newer media, this one was the one the got directly after but I'm not sure if its still valid either. 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
- terminalpariah, on 11/09/2007, -0/+8Whichever format is easily copied and has a cheap burner is going to win.
- piratearggghhh, on 11/09/2007, -5/+12Nelson points: HA HA...your DRM got cracked.
- t3rmv3locity, on 11/09/2007, -3/+10you got a tatoo?
- skrowl, on 11/09/2007, -0/+7Wow, that was random.
1) Particularly nasty DRM that Sony said would take 10 years to crack was cracked in a week
2) ???
3) Putting a price on human life
4) PROFIT! - Tenoq, on 11/09/2007, -0/+7Not really. One is easier than the other. DVD & HD-DVD aren't equal either - DVD hardly even needs 'cracking' to bypass the DRM.
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