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- 10scott10, on 10/11/2007, -9/+280damn, are the format wars getting so bad that the companies are starting to use biological warfare.
- EatingPie, on 10/11/2007, -16/+210If you don't want to read a whole thread, here it is (I commented there last week, btw).
It's ONE disk. The Prestige, from Buena Vista Home Entertainment. It's NOT ALL Prestige disks, just some, very likely from the same pressing. (There's a single report each of Stranger than Fiction and Departed, so those go with a grain of salt.) Disney is replacing the bad disks.
To cry "Blu-Ray Rot" at this point is jumping the gun by a mile and a half. It's far more likely that there was a pressing problem with this disk, and it went bad. A limited number of one disk does not "blu-ray rot" make.
-Pie - bittermang, on 10/11/2007, -14/+129It's not rot.
It's Digital Rights Management.
Nothing to see here, move along citizen. - ametory, on 10/11/2007, -2/+76I work in a dvd/cd manufacturing plant. This is not a "rot". This is a manufacturing defect called "blackspots". It happens when our lazy ass machine operators don't change the required resin properly, the resin gets burned and causes spots on the surface and sometimes inside the disc. You cannot clean, because, the spot has been burned. And it happens often and usually the discs get rejected. In this case someone did not do their job in the manufacturing process properly.
- geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -6/+59http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=857067
For the Engadget End-around. - EmileVictor, on 10/11/2007, -3/+41Engadget needs to make its "original source" link more prominent.
- flashpointbob, on 10/11/2007, -6/+39whatever it is... the disks catch fire when they come into contact holy water... come to think about it... that happens whenever anything with DRM on it touches holy water, especially my iPod.
- Lane, on 10/11/2007, -8/+37hmm so let me get this straight.... someone thought gee there looks like mold growing on my $30 disc. i know lets stick it in my $700 blu-ray player and see if it works!
- OddTSi, on 10/11/2007, -11/+35Checking through part of that AVS Forum thread it seems like people ARE having the same problem with different movies. The Prestige seems to be the most affected but it has also affected The Departed and Stranger than Fiction. I'm too lazy to go through the entire thread to get a more complete list, I was just curious to see if it was JUST The Prestige.
- Guspaz, on 10/11/2007, -4/+26Am I the only one that read the title and thought "Who cares, all BluRay movies are already preserved in the global BitTorrent swarm"?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -9/+29I really dont like the HD-DVD.. I heard it gives you syphallis.
- codyman, on 10/11/2007, -7/+27http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rot
Sony just never gets a break... - consonance, on 10/11/2007, -8/+25That's not a bug; that's a feature (for Sony)!
- wwwdot1jesdotus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17Better back them up quick!
- Splynn, on 10/11/2007, -5/+20rotting disks + DRM = profit?
It doesn't matter if the problem is intentional or not, unless damaged disks are replaced free of cost, then DRM has created new profits where there would have been less, or none before. What happens 5, 10, even 20 years down the line? Assume the DRM is not defeated and the media in question was only released once on the rotting media. What if that work were later recognized as a culturally relevant work such as a Shakespeare play or Da Vinci painting? We are creating a self erasing culture.
This happened early enough that the situation can be corrected, but this could be a potential demonstration of the long term effects of how we store our media and DRM.
I don't have a problem with compensating our artists, but Ithere has to be a way to do this without short changing society, and future generations in the process. - sirber, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17This is part of the DRM ;)
- HairyFotr, on 10/11/2007, -5/+19It's not a defect, it's a feature... The discs support hardware rot13 encryption.
- Kniggit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14One interesting point is from when I talked to Verbatim/Mitsubishi Chemicals at the CES 2006 show. They said that the Blu-Ray disc specs were very stringent, and that everything from dye formulation to disc lamination was supposedly very tightly controlled. Mitsubishi Chemicals wanted to submit a new dye formulation to the Blu-Ray working group that focused on increased longevity, but they said it would take a while for it to be approved *IF* it ever was. Uniformity was king for Blu-Ray.
The point of me saying this is that this seems to be an overreaction and overextension of a point problem. Most disc rot occurs for two reasons - factory-originated contamination, and improper disc sealing with subsequent exposure to biological entities with an affinity for the contents of the disc in high humidity environments. Given how highly regulated the entire process is for creating Blu-Ray discs, you can be sure the Blu-Ray folks will be all over this one. In reality, this can happen to any disc type at any time simply due to human carelessness. - mswope, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11I think it's the *content* of the discs that are causing the disks to rot: "Failure to Launch", "Rumor has it", "Norbit"?
- tektalk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1115 bucks to the next guy who can actually scientifically explain to me how and why this is occurring.
- Fhwqhgads, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13"I'm stupid enough to pay 700 bucks for a new crippled version of a DVD player, then I'm stupid enough to put a moldy disc in it."
Response to the story:
Hey, they have to get repeat revenue somehow, right? - MewTwo, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13Like I said in the video post of this same topic...
I work at a place where people trade in their old games. I've seen corrosion on a TON of discs that looks exactly like that. Haven't seen it on PS3 games or Bluray discs yet. I have no idea how it happens. - carpespasm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8the only discs i've ever seen get disc rot are cheap cd-r and dvd-r media left in a car. i can't say i've ever seen pressed cds and dvds do that
- ViciousVic, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10All my Blu-Ray discs seem to be fine and I have owned (most of them) for a couple of months now. Must be a issue with the manufacture of that batch of discs.
- JigoroKano, on 10/11/2007, -13/+20@OddTSi
The Departed and Stranger Than Fiction are the only two reported so far. And most people's discs are reportedly fine. It looks like two bad batches of surface coating.
I could swear I have a few old CD's that look like that but play fine. (Of course CD's are much lower data density) - geeke, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8DISC ROTTING brought to you by the lovely folks at the MPAA/RIAA.
- Ratty, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I hope you made a back up. Oh yeah, that's illegal and very difficult to do.
Yet another reason to support piracy. It's more portable and less fragile, plus there's always a backup online somewhere. - therightclique, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5that's actually true. it also gave me a tumor, diarrhea and it overdrew my checking account.
- Urusai, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7I've seen something similar on CDs, I think it was caused by heat, like leaving the CD in the car for days.
- JigoroKano, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Hate to say it, but as someone with a 600+ CD's, 100+ DVD's, 25+ BD's I have seen this before... on some old CD's but not on any of my BD's or DVD's.
- rkuchiki, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Although Walmart CD-Rs (Durabrand) still rot to this day :)
- therightclique, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5apples don't have nuts. they have seeds.
- windohs, on 10/11/2007, -9/+13This is total BS
People will take any excuse they can get to bash sony or the ps3 and I am sick of it. Guess who helped invent the CD/DVD? Sony. Portable Music wouldn't have become popular without sony's walkman so everyone should cut them some slack. Sony actually helps the market unlike Microsoft with their outsourcing and crappy operating systems and overheating redringofdeath consoles. - binarymelon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6I love how someone opens a thread looking for help about an issue and then someone uses it to spread nothing but FUD. I think it was determined that there was a bad batch of discs when exposed to hot, humid conditions would cause air bubbles to form between the coating and disc. I believe these discs are being replaced. I have not seen this in any of my Blu-Ray discs, which includes 20 movies and 7 games. Which include both The Prestige and The Departed. The one good thing is at least Engadget doesn't appear to biased and is just reporting the problem. Unlike many other "news" (blogs) sources which are reporting the incident.
- EmmSee, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6I own plenty of Blu-rays and get a few every week through Netflix... never had an issue.
- Fhwqhgads, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"Yeah probably on purpose to force you to constantly re-buy the disks."
EXACTLY! You've figured out how they do business! All these different formats and restrictions do just that. Now they have it rot on you so you have to buy the SAME format more than once.
MAFIAA: "Re-buy the same thing in different overpriced formats, or we'll throw your ass in jail, you evil hard-bitten criminal scum!!!" - Poovey, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Hmmmm, maybe they are just really brie ray discs?
- Aleks, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Yeah - It's the Engadget/Digg HD-DVD/360 propaganda machine at work...
Read the title/overview and move along. - cthellis, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Perhaps they leave their disks on top of the PS3 while it's Folding... ;-)
- 10001, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2rot = low tech DRM = MORE profit
with standard DRM one has to pay to play the same content in multiple devices
with this new low tech DRM one has to pay to play the same content in the same device multiple times - StaticRedux, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2It would be interesting to take different types of optical media such as CDs, DVDs, HDDVDs, and BDs and all the variants of those formats and expose them to different conditions that cause this if it even is caused by any kind of condition and not a factory defect. Then see how much rot occurs on each disk.
- Elranzer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Sony's solution: Just buy another copy of the movie.
(In fact, buy a copy of it on UMD too while you're at it). - Fhwqhgads, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Same reason I buried you.
- 10001, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2seeds of destruction?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Yeah probably on purpose to force you to constantly re-buy the disks.
- meshman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Judging by the 40-60% failure rate of today's DVD-R's, if true, this would come as no surprise.
- aptasi, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Bah. This reminds me of all the worries about "CD-Rot" concerns that popped up in the middle 1980s. Some people claimed (and the press picked up on it) that CDs were slowly deteriorating, and were only going to last around seven years. I was a little miffed at the time, having invested thousands of dollars in equipment and media. Well, it's at about 20 years since those claims were made and all of my 20+ year old CDs are just fine, thank you.
- 10001, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1but that's wrong.
better buy three of each!! - 10001, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1those infernal careless children!
extra floggings for everyone!! - meshman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Oh, and I'm not refering to 'disc rot'. This was indeed (supposedly) cured since it was noticed many years ago. Today's failures are due to shrinkage of the layers and is usually an invisible problem. Always buy "Silver Laquer" media.
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