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- ragingchikn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+66Maybe its just me, but why would you want to shrink an HD movie? They've already done that... it's called the dvd.
- blake10, on 10/12/2007, -0/+34DVDs came around 1997, i believe. It was officially cracked in 1999
- jellyroll713, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24*****, the spammers are using tinyurl now....
- WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Thank you for spelling "thank you" incorrectly and using caps for everything except the posters name.
- trogdor282, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13If you can play it, you can copy it. Until they ram trusted computing down our throats it's nothing more than a game of cat and mouse.
- vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12What are these ads of which you speak?
- yakoff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12That was quick.
- skellener, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10And yet movie studios went on to make billions even though the DRM was cracked! DVD sales account for more money earned on a movie than theatrical releases these days. So the real question is "Why bother with DRM at all?" Both the RIAA and MPAA need to realize that DRM is a waste of time and money and only hurts the paying consumer - the very people they want to keep as customers!!
- happy_prole, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10If it's your belief that this technology is doomed, for some reason, to be short-lived, then you should support the cracking of its DRM and exposing the pointless millions of hours put into its development in order to nickel and dime us consumers.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12See ? maybe blue ray isnt a waste after all, good news for you ps3 owners, now you get to download 25 to 50 gbs, and find a way to burn it at 2x lol, good luck
- matthewsr2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8DRM will stay because joe sixpack and plane jane haven't the time nor inclination to use the hacks that are out there. i've lost count of how many of my friends didn't know a thing about copying DVD's, and were immensely grateful when i showed them how to make a backup copy of the little mermaid for their daughter.
it goes back to the PT Barnum qoute, "theres a sucker born every minute." as long as those suckers exist, so will DRM. - borsdy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12You can't, it's already wrong.
PARADOX - xNaquada, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6DRM will stay because DRM is not about limiting pirates, its about finding new ways for revenue (via making you purchase something multiple times). This is what DRM is about to the **AA's.
I am quite sure every tech literate person knows that "Everything coded can be decoded, its only a matter of time.".
Never had any doubts about whether HDDVD/BR would be cracked. Just when. - jijacob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Where there is a will there is a way. Does this surprise me?
Not one bit. Does anyone know how quickly DVD DRM was cracked? - trogdor282, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9HDDVD and Bluray both use the same codecs, MPEG4 and VC1. Since these are both the state of the art codecs, the only way to shrink filesize is to reduce quality. Compression =/= magic.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6DeCSS written to crack CSS, by DVD Jon in 1999.
- CrazyNic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Bingo!! I'm sure it wont take long. Right now we're just starting to crack the surface. It might be awhile before we're able to rent our HD movies and burn a copy for ourselves...but lets hope it's coming.
- mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Well, since my TV is only 720 and not 1080, it might be useful for me to code it down a little bit, and maybe even compress it with DivX. Some of the 720P HD torrents I've seen go at about 3GB/hour, which isn't too bad if you have the space.
- tslag, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I love it that right now the ad on the right if for a Sony Blu-Ray player.
- calvmari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4There are several reasons to do this politically. One of which is to send the message that DRM will never be successful, so change your business model to something that's better for the customer.
Although I don't think that's the reason, people who crack DRM's do it as a hobby. It's like the ultimate puzzle, and when you beat that puzzle, people around the world feel the ripples of your success. It must be a fantastic feeling. - thunderer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Now can someone crack the math to create a time machine so we can all go back to a time where companies just said "Okay, please just don't steal this, guys", instead of using massive bolts to secure it into the foundation of greed?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Why keep making DRM? It is Inevitable that it will be cracked, they are always just wasting their money, because it doesnt waste any of our time or money to download a crack or a program to crack these things (not that i would ever do anything like that... just heard about people doing it.. you know?)
There will always be people out there that will legitimately buy their products, and there will always be people that will use/make cracks. If a product is not cracked, then the crackers will just move on and find a different program for the job they want done. - sirloin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5now you see why the adverage internet speed isnt what was promised when we gave all the telcos massive grants. A speed many in the rest of the world enjoy. I think they thought about how many dvd's you could get with a gig connection(like they have in hong kong and japan and norway...) and how easy it would be to get hd-dvds
- naxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm seeing a rise in hard drive sales. :)
- rheaume, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Thats too bad, I would prefer if it be more limited
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So happy to see this. DRM exist to be broken. What's the cream on top is also that now legit, paying, customers will have a more troublesome way of playing HD-DVDs and Blu-rays than the pirates. I just wish more would bring that problem to light than before and put pressure on the development of DRM technologies. They're so often completely against what these movie companies should actually stand for -- distributing content as well as possible to their customers. Sure, they run the risk of DRM free stuff being pirated, but *it's not exactly hard anyway*.
- maxium, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3from doom9
"But, their second DRM layer called BD+ is not being used right now - and the first steps towards decrypting the existing Blu-Ray titles on the market has already been made. Whether BD+ really holds up remains to be seen - the specs are not publicly available which prevents cryptography researchers all around the globe of verifying the claims of the BD+ creators - if history in cryptography has shown anything it's that the safest mechanisms are those that withstand the scrutiny of the academic community."
uh.. what's the point if NO ONE is using the damn thing or able to verify it?
~M - MiKom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Security by obscurity?
Isn't it known that this is nonsense? - meiguoren, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A software player decrypts a key and leaves it in memory so that it can be found with a memory dump? That has to be intentional. Obviously these DRM schemes have more enemies than just the hacker community.
- GorillaButler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The telcos inabilitiy to provide megabit connection speeds is a better DRM than AACS. Lots of people are buying big TVs, and those who haven't already are planning to- every single one of them would rather pay $15-20 than download a 15GB file through bittorrent. All of this is moot.
- catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There is no analog hole with HD digital content unless you are willing to degrade the quality.
- Ransomowris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The problem with DRM is that they need to find every single hole in it when designing it, and the hackers only need one hole to get in. With a huge community like the internet, it will be hacked. There's no way around it.
- mindless2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dupe, and it is not cracked. The are just using the specs and legit ways to get around encryption like with hd-dvd. If you noticed, he says he decrypted it, not cracked it. Cracked means its broken open for good, they can still stop this.
And I've heard of blu-ray rips allready appearing on a few sites, I bet they look nice. - bash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'd personally say the latter is just as much of a crack as a physical dongle on the console.
And it's not the real 'crack' we've been waiting for (like DeCSS), where the flaw was so inherit in the system that the movie studios were ***** outta luck and had to wait for the next generation, but it's the first step. - alphadog, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Unfortunately, Digital Restrictive Management is going to be hear for a very long time. The individuals that are in charge just do not get it. The consumers however, are waking up to see that DRM is not for them. We have the purchasing power to correct this. Don't buy HD content. For that matter, let Microsoft keep its Vista. With all of the DRM that is in that, it is a wonder that it runs at all.
It is all about control. Who has it and who wants it. Only time will tell. - Frost9999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11 - People don't care that it's a dupe.
2 - It's no less legitimate because it's a dupe. People can digg whatever they like as many times as they like forever and ever.
3 - There is no prize for pointing out dupes.
4 - Especially if the pointer-outer was the submitter of the other article.
Calling 'dupe' on slashdot might have been a fun way to try and belittle the editors of slashdot, but it's completely irrelevant on Digg. - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3they spelled it wrong when they named it
- ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Unless you have an HD set you are waisting space by downloading an HD rip in the first place."
I watch my movies on my 27" computer monitor. It can go higher than 1600x1200 (noticeably higher than 1080), but why bother? - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"It doesnt matter, they stopped HD piracy with the fact that the disks are so large."
They're already getting pirated so I don't really see what you mean. It's not a big problem pirating these things on 10 Mbps connections and 500 GB hard drives. Who said anything about having to save watched movies on removable discs afterwards? Besides, even that won't be a problem in the future, so if you're talking about a "final" stop of HD piracy this way, you're completely off base. Sure, it's slightly more cumbersome, but that's basically it. In a few years, it'll probably not even be that. - enkoopa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No one said it was easier. We said it was cheaper.
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1True, it's not a "crack", but I don't think the pirates care as long as there are completely unprotected movies.
- r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"How long until the inner keep of high-def DRM comes tumbling down?"
Seeing as Blu-ray checks for a completely different protection scheme on the disc BEFORE it uses the built in one, and will use the disc if it's newer then I think at least Blu-ray is safe, although I don't think the same can be said for HD-DVD, although I could be wrong. - emil79, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The truth is that DRM will always be cracked - it can't possibly work. It's a simple law of the universe that if you give someone some data, plus the keys to decrypt it and the decryption program, sooner or later they'll reverse engineer it. It's not "cryptography", it's just obfuscation.
- fredinator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@sirloin
at least u mostly dont have download limits in america like we do in oz... ours are absolute crap, even the highest you can get (on a so called "unlimted" plan) is usualy still 100gb, or u get isps that dont have enough bandwidth so you get unlimetd downloads but around 56kbits per sec, and even that costs a fair bit - Thrash701, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Everything will eventually be cracked, Blu-Ray and DVD-HD can't be unhackable, there is too many flaws.
- Loki614, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0To those asking why DRM continues to be developed for new formats when it ends up being cracked so simply.. think of it like locks for your car door; these wont even begin to deter a car thief, but will keep the average guy honest.
- samdu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1While I totally understand the spirit of what you're getting at... How in hell is it easier to sift through newsgroups looking or an encryption key that may or may not be available for the movie you want to watch, spend between three days to a week downloading a 15-50GB file, putting it up on your TV by having a computer connected to it and all that entails, etc... than it is to drive to the local big box store, buying your movie, and playing it in a consumer electronics device? There are certainly arguments, valid ones, against DRM, but the idea that it's "easier" to pirate a Blu-Ray or HDDVD movie than it is to buy or rent one ain't one of them.
- Shorties, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It doesnt matter, they stopped HD piracy with the fact that the disks are so large. All this means now is someone can legitimately backup an HD-DVD/Blu-Ray and hopefully in the future convert it for all their portable devices as well. The fact that its HD completely destroys the need for DRM because DVD's will never die and pirates want 700mb movies not 20GBs. I wish they would just include an Apple DRMd version on HD and Blu disks, so that there would be no converting necessary for iPod owners and the companies could take comfort in knowing their content will not be shared. I do not advocate piracy I think its pointless its easier to just rent it and watch it (You don't need to own every movie) or go buy it then wait 10 hours for a download.
- jukit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0apparently 64 bit grain based cereal does a cracker good.
- chadj, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I was under the impression that Blu-ray discs are still using MPEG-2 to do video compression.
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