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- byebry, on 10/12/2007, -6/+79First rule of usenet...
DON'T TALK ABOUT USENET! - Noxian, on 10/12/2007, -2/+46Exactly. I almost had a heart attack seeing the word usenet on the front page.
Move along folks nothing to see here. - negativefx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37SHUSH. Let's try to keep Usenet off the radar.
- vulcanius, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26...Buried for the protection of usenet.
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Yes yes....
Limewire, Torrent, Napster, Sidewalk DVD sellers um...
That's what you are looking for. - tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Usenet doesn't exist.
- bradleyland, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Seriously. Ever notice how the RIAA/MPAA only target the services that are big in the news? That's because it's their only source. STFU and bury this already.
- TRUEPATRIOT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14ive never figured out how to use usenet and paying to download stuff thats already stolen makes no sense to me =)
also i often get decent speeds on torrent as long as its a newer file or popular - ibelite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12REMEMBER EVERYONE....IT COST MONEY>>>as in 15$ - 30$ per month and involves some sort of effort to set up. So logically, for everyone else... stick to your free bit-torrent :)
- vick04, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11USENET IS FULL OF DRM!!! Buried. *makes weird eye movements*
- joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16what is it with Usenet ***** that gets their panties in a bunch any time they hear BitTorrent? Try saying anything about BT on a forum without a bunch of usenet fanboys jumping in, it's like when asking a question about Windows and getting all those annoying apple fanboys chime in how OSX is > *
- TheTap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Usenet.
Binary.
absmc (guess that group) ?
PAR's.
Retention.
Multipart.
Linecount.
-d group.
headers.
Not too worry, because this is too much for avg Joe to get a handle on when he's used to WinMX or Kazza or uTorrent. - PueSi, on 10/20/2007, -2/+11Bittorrent is free that's all I need to know.. : )
- travisbell, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17As a Usenet user of many years, I whole heart-idly agree!
- Leg0z, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Dont talk about Fight Club
- mediaphile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8should have put the price category towards the top of the article, that way i could have stopped reading much earlier. the whole point of p2p is being free; if i wanted to pay money, i'd just get the real thing.
- vranghel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Usually i dont read comments; But it seems that a lot of people have said it before me. Nothing to see here peeps....move along.
And stick to Bittorrent. Usenet is big and clunky and hard to use....if you dont know what you're doing.
BTW...i buried the story to minimize exposure. - vheissu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Agreed...Shush! Piracy for the masses is NEVER a good idea.
- justintsmith, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Please everyone, bury this story.
The less attention usenet gets the better - cloroxman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9You're absolutely correct joe. I think everyone should stick to BitTorrent.
- magic6435, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11please for the love of god get this the ***** off digg. the more people using it the more the powers at be will bother us.
- wilsgrant, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Using Usenet will own put your box on a botnet fast your head will spin. Stick to BitTorrent, Usenet is dead, really.
- NetJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The author didn't mention usenet spam, or selective filtering by various parties. The filtering can be worked around by carefully choosing who you get feeds from. Spam is what drove me away from usenet years ago. Perhaps the newer readers are better at cleaning up the articles.
- ArchieAndrews, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I am almost reluctant to tell people how much better usenet is because I don't want to invite more users to take part. Once I started using nzb files and newsleecher / newzbin etc, I never looked back. You can't compete with max dl speed right from bit 1.
- cloroxman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8bury this now
- n0xie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7So many things wrong with the article.
First let me start by saying that both BitTorrent and Usenet are inferior technologies normal people use who don't know how the real game is played. If you have any affiliation with piracy whatsoever, you stick to FTP's. It's in the damn name: File Transer Protocol.
But since it's generally hard to get into ftp's as most people are either too stupid, or want a quick fix (we can thank the whole kazaa generation for that), we now have several p2p possibilities (Usenet not being one of them obviously).
News for all you usenet freaks: Usenet was and never ever will be designed for file transfer.
Read that again. Then think about that. You use your ISP newsserver, which is build for plain text, to try and pass files. This is done by chopping them into bits, adding them as binairy attachments (YANC anyone?) and you have to use all sorts of methods to get all the pieces back to normal. Yes, it has improved, Yes you can get .nzb now which saves you the headache of loading all the headers, and Yes we now have PAR files. All these things have been invented to circumvent the one mayor flaw in the whole Usenet business: it was never designed for mass spreading of files. That's why it's so 'hard' (reading a manual is considered hard these days?) to get into Usenet. Because you have to know all these things to get your precious warez. Not only are you downloading waste (all this encoding, chopping and binairy business causes the files to be bigger than they actually are, meaning you download 5% of 'useless' data, not to mention all the pars you need and the off change that your files will be gone because of retention), you are doing it in the least efficient way possible. And all this so you can max out your connection (that is the only plusside on Usenet). Still for most folks with 1mbit lines, that's hardly an issue. And if you are in the 10-100mbit range, there are way better alternatives.
It's the stupid IRC bots all over again: IRC wasn't meant for filedistribution, but some wacko decided "hey if I write a bot which listens to chatroom comments, people can download stuff from me!" and voila, another network is being used in completly the wrong way.
Don't you think you should use something that was actually designed to move large files all over the net in the shortest timespan? Hence we now have BitTorrent. The idea behind the technology is great, but as mentioned before: you have to get into the better sites to get the good speeds. The big public trackers just cant handle fast connections. Also you can only download stuff if someone has torrented it. If you want some rare older movie or episode, good luck. Most searchengines will find diddly squat because no one ever torrented that file, or worse, it is torrented but there are no seeders.
So what should one use. Well I think the future holds interesting possiblities. A DC++ like program, which uses BitTorrent technology is the way of the future imho. As people will get faster internet conenctions, leeching of your providers newsserver wont be so tantalizing anymore since the only thing Usenet has got going for it, is it's speed. Anyone pointing out the quantity of files on Usenet: bittorrent nowadays has tentimes more content.
And to all Fightclub quoting idiots: grow up. Networkadmins are not stupid. Every ISP knows what's in their newsgroups. Being all secretive about something your ISP freely provides you is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. - Zigma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Nothing but VIRUSES on usenet kids!
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7You cant touch Usenet by a mile.
Billions of files nicely separated into relevant categories, available immediately for download.
The only people that knock it, don't really know how to use it.
And I hope they dont! - Ruckgesicht, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4But for ease of use, Bittorrent wins the game. It's free, it's (usually) fast and it's popular.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Great, usenet on the FP of Digg....get ready for an early "September" everyone:"
IIRC, AOL had usenet access before it had general internet access. - Brainfish, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I started on Usenet, drifted into eDonkey then BitTorrent, but I'm now back to Usenet for the blindingly fast speeds.
A good read - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is the ultimate showdown, of ultimate destiny!
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I love Usenet because it's so quick & easy to download game demos, movie trailers and shareware from it!
- dio33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4bury this.
- geodescent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3if you don't mind waiting in queue for 4 hours only to have your connection reset by peer at 12% into your DL
- TheTap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Neither do PAR files !
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Only oldheads use Usenet. All the cool kids are on limewire anywayz. LOLZ.
- Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Eh, I wouldn't worry too much about the masses latching onto Usenet. Have you ever tried to teach someone how to use Agent? I think it's an exceptionally easy news client, but anytime I try to show people where I actually get all the movies, TV shows, music and games, their eyes glaze over and they lose interest. The *AA doesn't really care about piracy as long as Joe College Student can't do it easily.
- ubuwalker31, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I am not so sure that Usenet has the Advantage for Privacy. Your logging into a public computer. Your ISP knows what you looked at. At least with bittorrent, you can encrypt your connection, use various privacy plugins for azeurus, etc.
- brasso, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I can get 11 MB/s with BitTorrent, you're just at the wrong place.
- EztliNahua, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Why would you pay for indexing? I pay ~$12 for Giganews, which gets me 25GB a month with 90 day retention. To get NZBs, I use binsearch.info , which although it might not be as good as NewzBin (not sure), it is completely free.
- Hootyea, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6We all know why we're using P2P programs, and maybe it's because I'm a starving student, but even $20 would kill me. If there are some real cheap alternatives (they mentioned one in the article I might check out), I might look around, but otherwise, it's defeating the purpose for me.
- ubuwalker31, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Comcast still provides Usenet access, but it is pretty much crippled. Check out http://www.comcast.net/help/faq/index.jsp?faq=NewsgroupsSoftware17506. Keep in mind though that Comcast has a monthly limit on newsgroup downloads of around 2 gigabytes. They reset on the 25th of each month. Why not the 1st is beyond me. This effectively limits Usenet to discussions and picture downloading. Movies are usually out of the question. I wish I had Cablevision and unlimited Usenet downloads again.
- 0x0000ff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3heh, Cox.
- chronobyte, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Buried as inaccurate, "Usenet" is but a myth, stop perpetuating lies people!
- whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -1/+3What a lot of people who scream "FIRST RULE OF USENET" anytime usenet is mentioned don't realize is that most of us don't WANT to use it. I could use usenet through my ISP, but they cap it at 1GB d/l a month. That's way less than I would need. So I can pay minimum $15-20 a month to get better access. Well if I was willing to shell out that kind of money, I'd actually have cable or satellite. I'm a cheap bastard. There's a reason I get things off of p2p right now. If I wasn't able to get them, I simply wouldn't watch them. If I had to pay, I'd just do something else with my time.
I think this is true of a great number of people. The entire reason p2p has exploded is because it's free to them. If it had required double-digit monthly payments, we wouldn't even be talking about it. So don't worry, your precious usenet will most likely always fly under the radar simply because the price factor makes it useless to most of us. ;) - TheTap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Doesn't matter. When I tell a coworker about Usenet they tell me they don't have Usenet, they have Comcast . Anyone not using Usenet doesn't even know they have access to it. Ask them what their news server settings are - clueless.
Setting up a client, I am still an Agent man, can be tricky for combining and removing binaries from messages. This will keep many people away, which is a good thing.
Secondly, thirdly, and fourthly - Never suggest to a noob that they can request any file by putting requests in the binary group. Ugh!!
Req: Beatles discography and Seinfeld first 6 seasons.... (yea, I might post that for you!!!!).
Lastly - with an emboldened nym like "PowerMan 2007 Post", even the geekiest twerp is a macho bravado when it comes to flaming others.
Anyway, I still love my GigaNews!! - Netmindstorm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Great, usenet on the FP of Digg....get ready for an early "September" everyone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
- Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If you have to ask, you'll never know.
- MeltedUFO, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I agree that the speeds are faster but doesn't it seem weird how you're paying to download pirated material? As long as Usenet servers cost money, I'll stick with Bittorrent.
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