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- LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+241And hopefully it's won't mean the end of what I consider to be the best BitTorrent client out there. Bram is notorious for doing what he wants and not caring about the end product. I'm afraid that this, coupled with the MPAA deal, is not going to end well for the end users.
- cruzlee, on 10/12/2007, -5/+151Uh oh... This doesn't bode well...
Remember the news that bittorrent and the movie industry teamed up? I hope this will not result in a crippled DRM supporting version of utorrent. - Napalm05, on 10/12/2007, -21/+149and a native linux version as well :)
- wisewaif, on 10/12/2007, -31/+119Hopefully this will enable the Mac version of uTorrent.
- rauz, on 10/12/2007, -12/+98@MasteRR, here here where?
It's "hear hear"...sorry but it bugs me - and english is not even my first language. - LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+77From the IRC channel:
This is Ron, I run CS at BitTorrent. As to changing the client, there is not much point in doing that. BitTorrent wanted uTorrent because it is small, well written, and well liked. It makes no sense to take it on just to change it and lose all it's user base.
That sounds all well and good, let's see if they can stick to it. - JohnyD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+76Some answers from #uTorrent-questions:
-will uTorrent be ported to Linux?
probably
-how many lines of code is it comprised of?
~50-60K
-will encryption be removed?
no (answered by Bram)
-features most important to you (directed @ Bram)
low memory footprint, code size, cpu usage
-is there any thoughts to an osx client?
(Bram) we plan to produce an up to date osx client, but that's significant porting work
-are there any features that will be removed from uTorrent?
(Bram) we're leaving the uTorrent client mostly alone for now, on the grounds that people like it (further defined 'mostly' as in, not much of anything substantive will change)
-will uTorrent be replacing the original python client?
(Bram) we aren't announcing integration plan details right now
-Bram, are you talking with asus and other router makers for putting uTorent in there?
(Bram) we're talking to lots of people
-will uTorrent ever be open-sourced?
(Bram) not in the forseeable future, but we'll continue to maintain an open source reference implementation
-Bram, you said before that you're not a big fan of protocol header encryption... do you still stand behind this?
(Bram) it isn't much harder for an isp to recognize encrypted headers than unencrypted headers.
-will content be monitored?
(Bram) absolutly not
-does the uTorrent codebase compile on linux today (in your labs?)
(ludde) No
-ludde can't develop anything new for uTorrent?
(ludde) bittorrent inc will do the majority of the development work
-what IDE was uTorrent developed on?
(ludde) Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 with a few routines written in visual cobol. uTorrent was written in C++ with some tiny chunks of assembly
-will uTorrent continue to be free?
(Bram) utorrent will continue to be available and continue to be free (as in, no cost, not open source)
-Utorrent uses a lot of Windows API's right? Won't that be a problem when porting to *nux/OSX
(ludde) Yes, the UI is tightly bound to Windows APis, however, the core backend is easier to port.
(Bram) the utorrent UI is windows native, so porting that part to osx or linux is a significant amount of work (but planned to be done at some point) - akarpo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+64If they include some sort of integrated DRM client in uTorrent, there is no way I will ever use it.
- Blabster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+54Well I respect Bram for giving us the beautiful bittorrent boom but I seriously think this merger was a BAD move.
I mean ya the original client was cool for a few months but I see no purpose for this merger...I just hope none of that anti-piracy etc etc thing gets weight now because I really love this client.
Let's see what happens... - diligent1, on 10/12/2007, -16/+67java is the plague
- bhavi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
- jo42, on 10/12/2007, -2/+42Proper title should be "uTorrent sells out to The Man".
With Azureus doing what they are and now this, it is time for a real, good, open source BT client... - netcrusher88, on 10/12/2007, -3/+43Not everyone uses BitTorrent for illegal purposes. In fact a high percentage of BitTorrent traffic is legal. Unlicensed anime, public domain works (see Azureus.com), Creative Commons music, Linux ISOs, even Wikipedia database dumps. But the industry wants you to believe that BitTorrent has no legitimate uses - unless, of course, you're paying them to use it.
Quit playing the industry's lapdog and gtfo my digg. - MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -14/+50Here here. It's the best client I have found. Native would be so much better than Wine.
- mcdvda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32I don't blame them. If some big business wanted to pay you millions for your program so you can retire right now, wouldn't you? Beats workin everyday for 40 some years
- JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31XD. I have to say it's funny as hell that a company merger announcement is coupled with; "Both CEOs are available for comment in IRC". Not that it's a bad thing, I love the fact that they are speaking to the public, but most mergers are witnessed by mobs of press, not IRC lurkers.
- code_of_life, on 10/12/2007, -8/+38Looks like Bram Cohen acknowledges that µTorrent is #1, and wants to make it the official client.
Once it gets ported for linux and mac, Azureus will lose all popularity.
I just hope Ludde didnt sell outright, but maintains a share in the joint venture. - 1021, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31yep, I think it is basically the movie industry trying to buy over all of the different bittorrent utility providers and buy them into a large congolmeration to make $$. Unfortunately, these idiots don't seem to realize that the sharing is not occurring because of the cleints themselves but the actual underlying protocol.
- Gdoubleod, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33if my utorrent gets messed up I'm gonna be sooo mad! >_
- saleens281, on 10/12/2007, -12/+40It was good while it lasted. I given Bram's willingness to bend over *for the man* in the name of the almighty dollar, I expect uTorrent to go downhill quickly.
- NinjaBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28Surely not. They know that they have lots of good competitors out there like azureus and if they make a crappy product people will just switch.
- LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28Again, from the channel:
Bram: The way utorrent and mainline behave in that regard is pretty much the same right now, so no, there will be no phoning home in the client [to BT Inc or the MPAA] - pegboy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31Back to Azureus for me. I don't need any MPAA ***** DRM impeding my illegal acquisitions.
- dig412, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28Even if you stick to 1.6, uTorrent still phones home for the DHT login, so it could end up disabled for those not using the DRM'ed version.
Lets hope it never comes to that. - psykr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25kTorrent is not the same thing, or any "version" of uTorrent. It was around first, and the code is not related
- raitchison, on 10/12/2007, -10/+34Likewise for me except I'm going back to ABC as I avoid Java like the plague.
- LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26About the OSX version:
we plan to produce an up to date osx client, but that's significant porting work - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24[/sarcasm]
....there, I added it for you. - piwy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Java is slower than many other languages, but azureus' slowness is a result of inefficient coding.
- akarpo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Yeah, but for good Usenet access (Giganews unlimited) I pay $25.00 a month. Most people don't like the thought of paying $25/month.
- Hamman, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26+1 for Mac port. uTorrent is so much better than any OSX Torrent client.
One of the things I miss from Windows. - dig412, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23And it also costs money to get a decent server.
My friend buys a subscription to giganews every month, but i can get everything he can for free using torrents. - br0ck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Actually, Azureus is trying to go commercial as well. They just recently raised $12 million in funding in an attempt to become a legit content provider at http://zudeo.com and any time that has been attempted in the past, DRM has quickly shown its ugly face.
- bentrop, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21I like µtorrent, I really do. At least under windows it is the best of its class.
But to this: WTF!
The main reason behind this deal seems to be to replace the open source cross-platform reference mainline client with another client that is closed source!
I think switching from open to closed source to please potential investors and gain more power over the client itself seems to be the main idea behind this deal. DRM and OSS just don't mix well.
Also, ludde, the developer that made µtorrent the great application it is today will not play a significant role in its future development ... just great. :-(
* No more real development on the open source mainline client ...
* Azureus was just turned into a weird YouTube/stage6-Monstrosity with underlying Bittorrent client (Zudeo) ...
* ludde won't work on µtorrent any more, it will stay closed source ... - JohnyD, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21I avoid Azerus like the plague.
Comon... 3D swarm view? That feature creep'd app is gonna explode like George's wallet on Seinfeld!
He just wants the codebase. Frankly I don't blame him.... it's the best on the *free* market! - ikonoclasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18You can expect it. BitTorrent Inc. signed a deal with the movie industry last week because the industry wants to stop piracy. Everyone assumed the deal was the movie industry's ignorance at the difference between BitTorrent Inc, the BitTorrent client and the BitTorrent protocol. I guess we got egg on our faces in failing to anticipate that the industry would just buy out the other clients and cripple them with DRM.
Azureus partnered with Zudeo, now uTorrent bought out by BitTorrent, which sold its soul to the industry... This does not look good. - LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18server: irc.p2p-irc.net
- modpancake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Server: irc.p2p-irc.net
Channel: #utorrent - z.unit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16www.oldversion.com ftw if they start messing it up.
- gmurray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16This sucks. uTorrent is a great client but I don't trust it with the corporate interest BitTorrent, inc. has. How are they going to keep uTorrent so small and precise with BitTorrent pushing features and probably DRM down their throats.
- Nowheredan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15The version of uTorrent I have now will be fine for the foreseeable future, so I'm not terribly worried about this screwing things up. And if uTorrent does end up sucking, someone else will spring up to fill the void - maybe something open source.
- bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Because getting paid for something that you have created makes you stupid?
Jesus christ. - tkcom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15one word: fµcked
- rkuchiki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14But we should be safe if we burn the downloaded movie to CD or DVD and throw it in a VAULT, right?
- copilot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I really liked uTorrent. Awesome to see the creators make some skrilla, sad that it's moving into the pockets of major media cartels.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16...back again sorry Java VM crashed my machine.
- IMA_Sellout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I have to agree with all the people who feel that this may not bode well for the pirates of the world. I mean µTorrent is great but it does lack a few features that I loved in Azureus but my problem with Azureus is that it's slow as all hell and eats of the majority of my system's resources. If they can fix the Java slowness issues, I'm jumping ship again.
- junkking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Conspiracy theories would suggest uTorrent might start sending anonymous statistics for any movie downloading to MPAA.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I hope this results in an even better client.
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