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- asif5th, on 10/12/2007, -3/+93I'll stick to the free stuff.
- MagicBobert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+48None of the for-pay services will EVER be able to compete with piracy until they offer high-quality, DRM-free files.
They have to treat piracy as a competitor. Right now they're offering a worse product than piracy for a higher price. Consumers aren't stupid. - steve693, on 10/12/2007, -1/+42"The BitTorrent store will use Windows DRM to infect protect the movies and TV shows. This means that Mac & Linux users wont be able to use the service."
F- - rolandde, on 10/12/2007, -1/+39Would be cool if my ISP didn't throttle my bittorent traffic.
- keyboardduder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31lol, its like offering low fat meals at mcdonalds, no ones gonna buy into it, but it makes them look better
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+36The digg crowd really doesn't make sense.
This is a group of people who if they had the money would
- spend thousands on a laptop for the sake of an apple engraved on it
- spend $xxx on a wii, games and whatever for it
- contribute assloads of money to the EFF, the FNF and any piracy site who spouts rhetoric about creating a piracy-utopia that'll never exist
But expect them to pay for a movie, a song, software and presumably even a bus ticket, and you're everything they fight against.
Show them how to do some cool "make a [whatever] out of [whatever] MacGuyver style" that requires $1.27 worth of materials and you're going to be nearly pure evil.
Who pays for your living expenses?? Presumably you all have/require things like rent, food and clothes and internet access. - pamon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26um yeah.. windows DRM included... um yeah.... pass
- krawkula, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23If it weren't for the DRM, I would buy it. I don't watch movies as much as I used to but it still would be nice to have a movie download service per movie that is cheap. Right now if i want to see a movie, I'm almost forced to pirate it. I refuse to pay 20$ for a movie I will watch 3 times tops, Blockbuster is a hassle, Netflix isn't all I hoped it would be. Take off the DRM and I would happily pay $4 for a movie I have full legal right to burn to DVD.
- diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22No options for Linux users?
Then ***** you too. I'll just pirate it. - loker269, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18My question is why would I pay for them to use my bandwidth? Unless I get some sort of credit for sharing with other users you can gtfo.
I have no problem sharing on free torrents because I am getting something for nothing and if no one seeds then bittorrent would fall apart......but for a paid service it is just ridiculous to be expected to share your bandwidth without any compensation. - evilpig, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14More like giving people the choice to pay for their meal or not.
- rocke86, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Thanks, I read the title and thought is was going to be a great revolutionary way of getting media, where the user gets treated fairly and content producers get paid. But drm ruins it from the consumer side. Sorry bittorrent I can not accept a one-way non-transitive trust.
- drizek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"No, see, i WANTED to pay for it, but for some reason MS wont port their DRM to linux. Its their fault, i swear."
Seriously though, what is the point of this *****? How is it any different from any other form of downloading? The reason i use bittorrent is because I dont want DRM, ads and all the other *****. Making me pay $1.99 for a tv show that I can legally watch with a cable subsription I already have and then expecting me to use my upload bandwidth to help you sell it to other people is not exactly my idea of a good deal. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@tedhead2k
Digg runs on Linux.
Also, if there were a non-DRM movie service, I would use it. - Copperhe4d, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15word!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@ MagicBobert and anyone who believes that rhetoric ....
Apple's made about 2 billion dollars off iTunes. That money came from the allegedly mythological people who's asses aren't clenched around pennies.
Obviously there is a market for people who aren't boring little tightasses who think the world owes them something because they use the internet. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8lol mikesbaker. Keep up that unhealthy ignorance.
Sites that will never get caught:
"MPAA sues Torrent and Usenet search sites"
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/84265/mpaa-sues-torrent-and-usenet-search-sites.html
"In another case, the RIAA is suing the owner of a "BitTorrent" tracker site. Mr Lamy commented that the use of bittorrent continues to deprive artists and labels of their earnings. When asked which artists music the tracker server was hosting he said, "none, the RIAA is suing for the loss of potential law suit earnings in this case.""
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/07/riaa_violators.html
People who'll never get caught:
"The MPAA, RIAA and several anti-piracy organizations are constantly trying to trap people into downloading fake torrents. These torrents are hosted on trackers that are setup to collect IP addresses of all the ‘pirates’ who try to download these files."
http://torrentfreak.com/how-to-find-fake-torrents-uploaded-by-the-mpaa-and-riaa/
"I got a letter from my ISP this morning (Comcast) informing me that EA had sent them the IP address of my network as downloading a torrent of NHL 07. I haven't heard of them suing anyone yet, but they're keeping an eye on it apparently."
http://www.destructoid.com/ea-spying-on-bittorrent-sending-notices - Sp00nMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Um, how is this going to be any better than either purchasing on-demand from Cable for $3.95, running to the local blockbuster for $4.00, or getting Netflix for the same price? Haven't to wait 12 hours to download a 2 gig movie isn't exactly quick
- K-Flow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6or like offering classic video games on a console to download for money when you can just get them free and use an emulator and a pc controller to play them with. oh wait
- CheapDigWannbe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This is awesome because even if not many people use it, it will provide a clear legal way of using large amounts of bandwidth through torrents. Thus if this becomes popular, this can be used against ISP who claim that downloading large amounts of data from the internet is most likely "illegal."
- 1911wolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7If I have to pay, I'd be blocking my uploads. Only a complete moron expects someone to pay and also upload. And since it's Windows DRM'd, me and my Mac will go elsewhere. PirateBay, Demonoid... Mac/Linux friendly :P
- fugazi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Alright I am going to offer you a choice, You can either download movies for free or you can pay us. It uses the same technology and the "only" risk you have is that its possible that you might be sued using the free way, but that is only if you are using a public tracker. If you feel the need to be "safe" its possible for you to buy a subscription to something such as giganews and get speeds faster then what we can provide for the price of only 5 of our movies.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+512 hours?
Get a better ISP. - attention, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8haha what a joke. why buy movie when a free version that you can download before the dvd is in stores, keep forever, play anywhere(with the right codecs), and play in OS X is right around the corner
- TomRemixed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4pay for drm...
get free movies without drm...
wonder which one will work? - gamerzworld, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Let's get cracking on the DRM!
- kufu91, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@tpink
its more like a company that sell instructions for model cars
they have to compete with little johnny xerox who gives them out to fellow members of his model car club - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@fkr2
It has nothing to do with the price. I would gladly pay for a movie or a song if it wasn't infected with DRM. - Uranium118, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"What are they supposed to do? Pay you for downloading the movie? That's like a car thief saying that he'll keep stealing cars until the dealerships can make him a better deal.
(don't bother lecturing me about "copyright infringement" vs. "theft" and how you think you're "not actually stealing"... I've heard it enough times to make me sick)"
Think about the cost, the accessibility, convenience, easiness factors of downloading versus stealing a car. Piracy is free, you can do it from any internet connection, it's so easy even a child can do it and the risks of getting caught are so low, people will continue. Stealing a car is a lot more trouble, a good comparison would be... you have a device able to clone cars. - scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3OR it might start more ISPs screwing with torrent traffic either to save money or to try and get a slice of that rental pie.
- TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5***** sell out.
- scott88008, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Forget DRM, what's with all the copy protection in currency? What gives the government the right to inhibit me from making perfect copies of my personal money which I legally own!
- mezoko, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@tedhead2k
maybe some of us actually like to legally own our software and os. Then maybe those people like to actually legally purchase music, videos, etc... providing their isn't DRM and the artists aren't making pennies. - zhulien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2also, buy a movie on DRM and it probably won't work in the future when Windows becomes incompatible - yet my LD and DVD collection will always work.
- KyleMistry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2BitTorrent? Store?
All I'm waiting for is that "Badump CHSH" drumline that follows the cheesy joke. - PermaNoob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Would you use up your bandwith seeding a torrent that you paid for?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ISPs can throttle torrents for ANY reason they want.
- laser314, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yet people still get married. I don't get the cow for free.
(if my wife reads this comment she will misinterpret that statement) - wvstephens, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2well I would happily pay for my content, if it weren't for DRM. What? I am going to download these and then watch them on my computer yea right. If I can't stream them to my XBMC then I will continue not paying for the content. Hear that MPAA, and RIAA you have a future customer if you just drop the worthless DRM.
- randal2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 If i pay for Download-able media, I want a direct download with 1-4mb transfer, not wait for 3 days at 4-140k. Sorry, but My Bandwith and time is far more valuable then this.
The whole model of charge and make you share the cost of downloading by allowing others to download from you is pathetic. In now way shape or form should i have to rely on anyone else for a download that i paid for besides the company that got the money. Now, if they would like to pay me for each K/Mb that I allow there customer to upload or acquire from me... then i would look into this, as is, though, another pathetic attempt to screw me over. - laser314, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@k-flow
or like offering classic video games on a console to download for money when you can just get them free and use an emulator and a pc controller to play them with. oh wait
Dang, you convict me of that one. - Akronos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So how do you watch your movies?
- MagicBobert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@fkr2
I understand where you're coming from, but I'm not a stupid consumer like those who purchase music on iTunes. DRM'd versions are, by design, broken and inferior to their DRM-free counterparts. Why would I pay more for an inferior product? - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I dont know what red green is, but go to pbs.org. They have a lot of their shows available online. I usually bittorrent what i want from there(better quality and I dont suck up their bandwidth), but when i dont find a torrent I watch online.
- jsdratm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Netflix is cheaper
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@iamcitizen
There's a great one. You can even download 1080p movies!
http://www.utorrent.com/download.php - magnusbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So, I checked it out to see if I was allowed to pay for TV-shows. Nope. 'US only' here as well.
I don't want any of the pay-channels here in Norway, and I hardly ever watch ads.
I'd like to be able to pay a reasonable price to download a TV-show, but there are no services I've found that allows me to do that. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The cost is screwy. How many TV shows are delivered to you by your cable/satellite/whatever each month? Divide that into your monthly bill. You came up with way less than a penny a show, and you can record all of those legally - without DRM. They are not even paying for the bandwidth - the cable companies are. How long until the cable companies figure this out and want a piece of the pie?
Twenty-five to fifty cents for the convenience of on-demand delivery seems reasonable. $2? For a DRM infested, non-shareable with my friends, commercial laden TV show? In someone's wet dream. It's great that they are thinking of ways to deal with the P2P problem, but this is one solution that isn't going to solve anything. - mikesbaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@fkr2
oh scary. lets look at your points
1) MPAA sues torrent and usenet sites. good thing I'm an end user
2) are you going to link me to the onion next?
3) read the fing description of the torrent. or use a private tracker
4) after 2 tb + and still going using comcast (now Time Warner). its hard to take an article seriously when its written by a blogger named Niero.
Thanks for the FUD you stupid troll. - syco123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I share to at least 1-1 everytime with BT. If I'm paying to dl then sorry but once I get it I'm gone. So will this model work?
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