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- joaob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+46Wait...so they are charging me to use my own bandwidth?
And I'm supposed to be excited about this? - cr125er, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36Wow the studios actually jumped on board finally? Too *****' bad it was 4 years too late. Retards.
- austintexasguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28Meh, looks like they're still using DRM and won't allow you to buy the movie. Nothing to see here people, move along.
- rolandde, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Shouldn't these downloads be cheaper, as the consumer wastes significantly more bandwidth due to the additional upload requirement of bittorrent. Or will the service provide a large amount of seeder client to negate the need to upload?
- Trention, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Here's the actual article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/technology/25bit.html?ex=1330059600&en=7b224e0313e84cff&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss - justin22290, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17@ Geekee
People didn't mind because people weren't making money off their bandwidth - Tenoq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Too expensive, not gunna happen. $3.99 to 'rent' a movie? Why would I bother when I can walk down to the local Video Ezy and rent half-a-dozen DVDs for $10 or less? And I don't have to put up with DRM crap, or questionable compression quality. I can also easily take that DVD to a mate's place. :-P
- donnydarko319, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Will there be penalties for not seeding? I mean, they can't restrict access to content you pay for, right?
- acernec, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Glad some people are thinking this through.
- FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9my bittorreent entertainment network has been going strong for years now. i think i'll stick with mine.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18People didn't mind using bandwidth when they were stealing their content.
- lowerlogic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"the peer-to-peer pioneer BitTorrent"
Wouldn't Napster be the pioneer of p2p? - Subcide, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Plenty of people watch classic movies, there's nothing wrong with them.
- iammatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Shame about the crappy format and the bloody DRM. Otherwise it would be great. This is so close to what a decent business model that the users have been crying out for, and then the killed it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Didn't we already have this discussion yesterday ....
http://digg.com/tech_news/BitTorrent_com_Launches_Video_Store - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"How can a service that "harmed" these companies so quickly garner more support than a less controversy ridden service such iTunes?"
The music and movie industries hate iTunes. Jobs has used the monopoly status of iTunes to wrest control of pricing from the music industry. They'd rather sell their products at prices they choose and tell Jobs to go to hell. - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"People didn't mind using bandwidth when they were stealing their content."
Yeah, I really wonder why people could stomach that when they can't picture paying for bandwidth *and* the service itself to stream DRM protected content they won't own. :p - muuhgnoo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Yep, its totally and absolutely worthless.
It may have worked ten years ago, when disk space was miniscule, but in the age of 400GB hard disks I sincerely think that anyone actually _paying_ for something he easily could, but is not _allowed_ to keep (i.e. DRM) is totally and absolutely a idiot.
And don't start with DVD rental analogies, this is totally and absolutely not the same. - loveandrockets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Bram Cohen and BitTorrent did a genius move and played these people like a violin. They had the idea that BitTorrent was a WEBSITE and not a method of file-sharing. So, BT.com made a deal with them and the content providers thought they made a major coup. When instead BitTorrent chugs along, taking up 30 percent of internet bandwidth.
- michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Do the movies have full 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1 dolby digital sound?
I just bought a nice home theatre system so I don;t want to watch youTube quality movies on it. - fishpen0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm so sick of this whole expiration thing. If i pay anything for it i want to be able too keep it, not just for "30 days or 24 hours after viewing"
- donnydarko319, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Bittorrent is both the name of the protocol AND the first client. It's an actual brand name.
- joshman5k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I like classics... I even bought the star wars trilogy on DVD!!!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Are they trying to confuse people into thinking that all of Bittorrent costs money now? I'd assume so with that name.
- jcaino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3this is only being done to appease the **AA - this gives legitimacy to the bittorrent network - regardless of whether we see through it or not.
its called lip service, and its being paid to the companies that have been giving it to us for years - Shuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why would anyone pay for DRM'ed trial movies when they could get it for free off a torrent site. The only downside of using torrents is that they go really slow sometimes. Also, it's most likely that the entire user base of Bittorrent knows that they can download illegal movies. They are only targeting the "moral" crowd, it's not gonna fly.
- RoboDonut, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Awesome! Now I have the option of downloading movies that I won't be able to watch!
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Something is wrong with that."
Not to the media companies, in that case it's a great idea.
And it looks like it stopped being about the consumers the day the word DRM was uttered in their offices. :-( - scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I guess this means we'll have this exact same story make the front page yet again tomorrow then :/
- sk545, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe this is just a way for the movie industry to tarnish the image of Bittorrent. Hear me: It won't die that easily, not until some better P2P idea is born.
- muuhgnoo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5You aren't.
This is for people who bought Vista for that "DRM feature".
I'm just suprised how anyone who could come up with something as effective as BT, can now in turn sink so low on his knees in order to unzip the fly of some MI manager as fast as possible. - jimohagan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Again, why will the unwashed masses pay for it when they can find it for free. As long as the price for a DVD is $5, this will work. However, above $5 and people will not pay it in large enough numbers.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5"Meh, looks like they're still using DRM and won't allow you to buy the movie. Nothing to see here people, move along."
Yeah, because no one wants to rent movies. Why would you want to buy something with DRM anyway? I'd rather rent it, watch it, and delete it. Beats driving to Blockbuster if you are an infrequent movie renter, and don't want Netflix. - ryannerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This would be a great news if it wasn't for the DRM nonsense that media companies seem to want to impose on everyone.
You would have thought that they would have learned their lesson from the Dune movie. They spent millions of dollars on copy protecting the VHS format for a film that flopped badly. Truly retarded, and here they are 2007 doing the same DRM crap with not just one movie but all.
Remove the DRM and I'll gladly pay a nominal fee to spend the time downloading a video with questionable quality. Keep DRM and I'll look elsewhere to download my videos. - sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So now we can waste our monthly bandwidth allowance and money for DRM-infested crap from 20 years ago. Brilliant.
- Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1and not letting someone live for select (anger/ money/ revenge)reasons isnt murder
- rowlodge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 it can save them expensive bandwidth. how will they separate the payers from non-payers?
- muuhgnoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just that this thingie here isn't actually a DVD, you pay for the download traffic, you can't share it, you can't keep it, and it destroys itself within 24hrs. It's a pooped stillbirth.
- offspring06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Don't some ISPs throttle torrent traffic? If so than how is this going to work?
- Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's not BitTorrent; something like this would work, after all, if you could BUY the torrent at $3.99. At any given time, what is the number of people who will seed? (Oh, and do they pay you for seeding? If not, what for?)
Another thing to mention: none of these movie-industry approved Windows DRM sites have made money, as far as I know. (By the way, where's the RIAA and the MPAA to INSIST that Windows shares its DRM? (crickets.) Yes, I thought so.)
If you could just burn these things, or if you paid the normal price if you didn't seed, but your price was reduced by how long you seeded? Maybe if you seed for a week, you get the whole thing for free? Just asking. I mean, the big problem that any BitTorrent site will have is that, if you want to fully serve 3,000 or more movies, you need to have a full copy on hand, if there's no seeder available. iTunes and the other music libraries have millions of songs. How big would the movie libary be? Ideally, it should have all the movies made to date. And BitTorrent is a terrible way to serve up tons of movies, except this way: you seed as much as you can, and you get free movies. So, when somebody wants to buy a D.W. Griffith silent movie -- film students, but not normal people -- there are seeds available. - bvinson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is so stupid. Why oh why should I give up my money and my upstream bandwidth to watch a movie. If I am going to have to pay for something I don't think I should have to be part of their distribution network. I say shove off, its a pirates life for me.
- Dragon88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Don't worry guys. It's only a matter of time before someone hacks the 30 day expiration thing. Make the file think the date is always the same, or just straight-up remove the DRM.
Actually, they are torrents. Couldn't we just... upload and reseed them? I mean, even if they have something in place where the download only works if you buy it... they're still a file that can be uploaded again, right? - BlackOp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1stop spamming your site.
- artfuldodga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I really am unsure how this service will work, will I have to seed once i've finished my download? I mean i'll be paying for the media, downloading what I've paid for, I really don't want to have to stick around and contribute to something i've finished paying for.
Bittorrent was created for the purpose of distributing large amounts of data as fast as possible. It relies on a User wanting to contribute something for what he or she has gotten from others helping to contribute (Using your own bandwidth)
So, you pay for your TV show, I'm not sure how good the quality might be, I can only assume garbage considering Bittorrent are aiming for users who watch TV shows on their computer? WHO watches TV shows or Movies on their computer anymore. And then you kinda have to help seed? (I don't know how it works otherwise, or they are gonna need some decent servers) Whats gonna make anybody want to help the BitTorrent Entertainment Network? It just really confuses me, this is like obviously going to fail.
The only way I can see something like this working is everybody pays a cheap monthly subscription (later yearly), you can download as much as you want whenever you want of whatever they offer (and it better be high quality) and it best be DRM free. Oh, and BitTorrent Entertainment Network best hook up with like every Major TV Network and offer everything under the sun to start with or nobodys sticking around for ride they would have us go on. Does this have a chance of happening? Yeah, but only when MPAA/RIAA realise most of their consumers won't stand for being used and ripped off any longer. - jefferson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am an avid bittorrent user, other then clearing my conscience why would i pay? I recently got on the joost beta, and I truly think it is the future, full screen streaming video that is pretty good quality especially if you sit back from your monitor a bit, the content is lacking, unless you love National Geographic documentaries in which case your set. Watch for this to get huge, if they can get some studios, or networks on board. And theres the rub.
- Rodzirra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wish I could "rent" TV shows for $0.50/episode through iTunes. I really don't care if I can't keep it... I'd never have time to go back and watch it, anyway. But if I did want to keep it, I could buy the "keep" license for another $1.50.
That'd allow me to completely ditch cable TV, which is something I've been dreaming about for years. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Optimum Online has been known to cap users for bittorrent use. This might make for an interesting legal battle eventually.
- Ygduf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Can I still get it free from TPB, without commercials and drm?
I can't blame the guy though, he developed cool software and deserved to be paid. I'd sell out too. It's not as if free bittorrent is at all affected by this. - cooperaa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think I speak for everyone when I say "I'm not paying for a movie that takes 2 or 3 hours to download!"
- Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1DRM
of course -
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