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- arcooke, on 10/12/2007, -5/+43I love the idea of this, and I love firefox. I'm just afraid resource usage is going to go through the roof. uTorrent is the only client I've used that has been able successfully curb the excessive resource usage of BitTorrent, and that's written in low level language. If it were written in Java, I can only imagine how resource hungry it will be. Take a look at Azureus. It's *very* well written in Java and that program sucks up memory like crazy. Firefox is already pretty resource hungry as it is.. I rarely drop under 50mb, even with just a couple tabs open and a few extensions. Add BitTorrent to the mix and we're talking about a lot of memory usage as well as constant extra CPU usage (while in use).
If they can pull it off right, then hell yeah. Otherwise, I don't think this is going to be a very practical bit torrent solution.
My $0.02. - rAid135, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33i may potentially use this only for smaller torrents, i'll still leave the larger torrents to utorrent
- synystar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Yes. That's generally the way it works anyway. Most users stop seeding after they've completed a torrent. Some of us won't. It's only a tool. A good one potentially.
- Kahnza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Isn't it easy enough already? I click the torrent and one button and its loaded and starts downloading in utorrent. :confused:
- Lyanto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Not really... People are as likely to download this extension as they are likely to download an actual BitTorrent client so it's not necessarily "putting it out there". It just makes downloading torrents a lot more convenient, with the negative side effect that people will probably treat torrents like normal downloads and stop seeding after they're done...
If it's anything like all of the other integrated BT stuff out there... It'll probably suck. - steven401, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Just thinking about bad things about this because it looks useful for users new to BitTorrent but wouldn't most users after downloading a file just stop uploading?
- bash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12@arcooke: uTorrent isn't written in low level language; it's just C++.
http://www.utorrent.com/faq.php#How_can_.C2.B5Torrent_be_so_small_and_so_fast.3F
A very well executed use of the language, mind you. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10In case you need Firefox to use even more system resources.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Am I the only one who thinks this is a bad idea? I know that I don't _always_ have firefox running. I restart it from time to time, or simple close it if I'm not using it.
What we need is a bittorrent client that runs as a service, and communicates with a seperate frontend or web UI...Maybe I should start coding one.... - tymme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Apparently clicking on a torrent, having it open the client and ask where you want to put it, and hitting 'ok' is too confusing? The people that'd need a plugin to simplify the process wouldn't know what plugins or BitTorrent are in the first place....
- Kuipo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9You don't. People don't want to see sigs in a comments section. This isn't a forum.
- tackle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11[Quote]Ugh, it's built into Opera? Something like this should definitely be optional for a web browser.[/Quote]
It *is* optional. Optional in the sense that it can be easily turned off. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Yeah but Opera's bit torrent client sucks...
- fatadamblog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I don't get it why would anyone want to try and do this? uTorrent is 170KB does every single feature a torrent should do and doesn't require installation! Long Live uTorrent!
- drizek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Exactly. Operas BT is a POS, and i doubt any drowser integrated one will be any different.
I wish there was something that did all of what azureus does and performed as well as utorrent. - tackle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7[Quote]This isn't a forum[/Quote]
It is not?? - forensicmeteobo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Does anyone else find it pointless to digg this? It's a link to an extension for firefox that is just getting started in the stages of early development. The product technically does not even exist yet. Therefor, the title should read, "BitFox *will* add BitTorrent support to Firefox." Of course, the word "to" could replace will in the title, too.
- qbyte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Cant use it yet so what's the point of posting it here?
- Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Why is firefox one of the best browsers
Becuase of the openess that allows for improved functionality by anyone
including this extension - wifigod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4token Azureus with RSS plug-in ftw...... I hardly ever manually download torrents, they're just automatically "there".
- johnwc723, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't think that anyone very experienced in Bittorrent will use it, you can get way better functionality out of Azureus or uTorrent. Yes people might not seed when using it, but since it is integrated with Firefox it might make Bittorrent more popular since its easier, which probably wouldn't hurt...
- drizek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2its called azureus. It can run in console mode(at least in linux) and you control it over webui. Thats my BT setup, only problem with it is that it is somewhat taxing on my old system.
- garreh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Many novice users find the process of downloading and configuring a separate piece of software just to download a certain file complicated."
Er? Don't extensions have to be downloaded and "installed"? FireFox even has to be restarted...
Utorrent installation steps: Goto www.utorrent.com. Download. Install. Run. - Hell it even associates .torrent files with itself so when you click on .torrent files in FireFox, you just have to click "OPEN".
This is an extremely stupid idea and I hope the developers of this stop wasting their time. Good for research/knowledge purposes to see if it's possible - but I don't see this being big, not with uTorrent around. - DaWolfman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@arcooke
As per the website:
"BitFox makes use of Libtorrent, the open source C++ BitTorrent library that aims to be CPU and memory efficient." - alamandrax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://my.opera.com/alamandrax/blog/2007/02/25/who-the-hell-made-opera-bashing-normal-a
blog-spam, but here's the image of the preferences window which shows that opera can indeed be configured to open the torrent file with your desired application.
what part of customisable browser do people not get? - TokenUser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Of course, even with the BT client built into Opera, Opera is still faster, more stable, lower memory footprint, more standards compliant, etc that Firefox, and it can be turned off and set up so that your favourite BT client (I use Azureus) kicks in when you hit a .torrent extension.
- Recluse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'd be willing to give this a try but I'm doubtful that it will cause me to stop using utorrent.
- neFariou5, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1It wouldnt really be for regular torrent users but would be for novices that arent aware they even need a torrent client to download stuff.
- TVarmy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've always wondered if it'd be possible/practical to have a bit torrent-style extension that, when downloading an HTTP or FTP file will search out other users with that extension downloading a file with the same hash. Then they swap packets to reduce strain on the "official" server. I know that there's trackerless bit torrent, so this seems practical in my mind. Of course, I know I've probably messed up my logic somehow. I don't actually know everything about bit torrent. I just have a rough understanding.
- tylerni7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Mostly the speed. Opera's bittorrent client is utter crap compared to uTorrent. It also doesn't offer as many options as uTorrent does because it isn't a dedicated client. It also has problems reporting information to the bittorrent tracker so it isn't allowed on a lot of private bittorrent trackers.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Interesting, but id rather use uTorrent thanks
- alamandrax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1but it works just fine. i've used it for the last 5 months and all my torrent downloads were good. i've never had problems with sharing the torrent after it completes either.
what did you base your comment on? speed? reliability? curious. - bash, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4That's the beauty of Firefox. You have the choice to install whatever floats your boat.
- dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe so, but why not have the 2GB of memory free for something that actually needs it, like games? Sure, a torrent client could use 1000MB of memory, but it doesn't need to..
- Kuipo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5course.. that's why people use firefox. They don't want everything built in.
- syco123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Whats the Firefox endgame? Firefox OS the browser that runs every app. :)
- hello2usir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3This thing is going to consume memory regardless of whether Firefox launches it in a child thread or if it starts up as its own process.
- Kahnza, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@tackle
You know that link you clicked that brought you to this page? It says comments, not forum. - karlskrona, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Go josh!
- mrslick4470, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Something worth noting is I'm currently working with two others on this same thing at http://firestorm.mozdev.org. We currently have support for downloading a single torrent and progress is coming along. No source quite yet because its still pretty messy, but I am updating the site as we approach different milestones.
Just a FYI - wafflez, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2are you kidding? utorrent takes virtually no ram...
- Sanchez, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I don't see anyone using it, I don't know anyone who torrents who uses the Opera client. At the very most it will increase legitimacy of BitTorrent.
- SirDaShadow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1cbtf:"Drink the kool-aid!"
Said someone who hasn't used utorrent. - blubbert, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Why is there all this clamoring about the use of system resources? The reason i have 2 gigs of ram on my computer is so applications can use it, not to look pretty.
- alamandrax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1it's as simple as opening up the preferences and pointing filetype torrent to trigger the execution of the default application (which would be your torrent client of choice). just a few clicks i assure you.
[edit]: just to be sure i wasn't making stuff up, i went to the preferences tool.
you have to unhide downloads opened by opera to show the torrents, but it's there. - twiddler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0 While I like having options. I don't like having to leave my browser going for days at a stretch.
If torrents had a healthy and steady seed. Like a site hosting the seed files.Then as peers joined in, it got faster. Sure it would be really nice and not as many long term seeds would be needed. So the torrent was kept healthy and viable. The way most use torrents this is not happening. A browser based torrent is not a good thing for larger files as todays type usage.
Site that host game demos and trailers it could work. They have fat pipes that get bogged down on hot releases. So a browser torrent client would work in a case like this. That is the only thing I can think of for a browser client to be useful. Right now there is no major implementation of any thing along this type of torrent usage though. There has been times a sites game demo file was really bogged down. I would of given some back to get the file in faster. This would of been a great option. (tor or http) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I use safepeer on Azureus. It's supposed to be peerguardian, exept it only runs on Azureus..
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@jrocknyc
Yeah because flashy graphics is all that matters.
Moron. - Carsonauto, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1A great way of putting BitTorrent "Out There". I wont use it, but Im sure newcomers would.
- Kahnza, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3lol Peer Guardian. Such a waste of resources. Not to mention it blocks whole IP ranges so a lot of websites do nothing but timeout.
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