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Biohazard Bassist Blasts BitTorrent

torrentfreak.com — The bassist and vocalist of the band Biohazard says that people who ’steal’ media by downloading it are “scumbags” and you better know that if he catches you doing it, he will happily “kick the ***** out of you”. But the real problem, he says, are BitTorrent sites.

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  • spuncoke, on 04/21/2008, -6/+480This guy should look at what NIN and Radiohead are doing maybe someone would actually give two ***** about Biohazard
    • fkr3, on 04/21/2008, -71/+12What they're doing is making a decision on how they want to release their music. They're not under contract, they're free to do that. What torrent sites are doing is cashing in on popular artists' material without their consent (with very few exceptions, mostly unheard of indies aiming for some free press).

      He's really pegged people pirating music too -
      "Downloading free music is stealing. There’s no other way about it. The same people who don’t have the balls to walk into a record store, take things off the shelf, and put it in their pocket because they are afraid that that are going to get busted think nothing about going on line and downloading a band’s music. That’s the way the band makes a living. If you like that band, you shouldn’t download their music for free because it can make the band go out of business. I know it’s not very rock and roll to say that; all the kids are going ‘***** Metallica, we are going to steal their music.’ OK, how about if the guys from Metallica will go into your father’s hardware store and steal a hammer off the shelf."

      This is where some idiot comes along and points out how they're not "stealing" when they "take something they're supposed to pay for but don't".

      "...said the 4 million record selling musician with a $30m porn empire."
      I love how pro-piracy people want to decide someone else should distribute their work for free, but also when that person's made enough money. Especially the pro-piracy people who talk about freedom lol.
      • matx, on 04/21/2008, -4/+13For torrent sites, servers and bandwidth cost money, I don't think they make much profit to be fair. Torrent sites have plenty of legit uses as well and the mpaa and riaa could use it effectively if they wanted and provide us with cheaper music.

        Through downloading I have found lots of great bands who I have bought music from! I don't want to buy music in hopes that it will be good. However, last.fm and di.fm has been great help for me to find music that I like and I have bought music as an outcome of listening to the free music they provide.

        I also have a problem with buying cd's, if the riaa are saying that ripping a cd is wrong, then I might as well take the same risk downloading music then risk being sued for ripping a cd. Amazon don't support the uk yet for downloading mp3 and not all the tracks I like are on itunes plus yet. I run linux and os x so I avoid buying anything with drm attached to it.
        • fyngyrz, on 04/21/2008, -9/+2So... if you steal but don't make a profit, that makes it ok?

          As for the RIAA, ***** them. They have no standing.

          The copyright act and subsequent legislation says you have the right to back up media you've purchased; when you buy music, you do so because of the artist(s). Protecting your investment makes perfect sense, and -- ready? -- does NOT harm the artist, in fact, the fact that you've made sure that you will still have that artist's music if you were to wreck your original CD (or your backup, if that's how you roll) is good for the artist.

          So you've not found a justification to steal here.

          It really is very simple: If an artist releases music for-pay, then you have two, and only two, legitimate choices:

          1) buy it - support the artist.
          2) don't buy it - do not support the artist

          To this, you can add two criminal choices:

          3) steal it: don't support the artist, but hurt them instead. You know you'll never buy, you have the product already.
          4) share it: don't support the artist, and hurt them BADLY.

          • wellyuk, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3Well, the bass player has always got his porn enterprise to fall back on if no one buys any more Biohazard CDs.
          • Blandyman, on 04/21/2008, -4/+2If you're not paying for it now you were never gonna ***** pay for it, PERIOD. You're a ***** idiot to assume anyone would go out of their ***** way and go, "Christ, I don't wanna pay for this album, but I like their music... unfortunately, I don't wanna steal. Let me just forget about the music. I don't wanna hurt them."
            ***** YOU, YOU IGNORANT DICKNOSE. Can't you understand that if we don't wanna pay for it, we're gonna steal it?
            I love OutKast. I have ALL of their albums (Southerplayalisticadillacmuzik, ATLiens, Aquemini, Stankonia, Speakerboxxx, The Love Below, Idlewild, and I'm waiting anxiously for 10 The Hard Way and Big Boi's solo effort.) I had them downloaded, but when I had the money, I bought them, simply because I wanted legitimate copies.
            I also love Queens of the Stone Age and Modest Mouse. Have I bought their albums, though? No, because not ALL of their songs on ALL of their albums interest me. And you know what? I don't wanna buy from iTunes or iTunes Plus, because you know what? ***** them. I don't wanna spend money.
            If the artist is getting screwed, well, I'm so ***** sorry. But I'm going ***** crazy just trying to get a goddamn job and I'm too busy to give a ***** whether you make $2 million or $3 million just because a few hundred thousand people don't give enough of a ***** to pay for your *****.
            You wanna cry about it, write me a ***** letter. I'll be sure to wipe my ass with it and mail it back to you first-class.
          • katanaswordfish, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2This guy just thinks that nobody is buying Biohazard's CDs because of piracy. When in reality, they probably just suck and nobody gives a damn about them. I'm just curious as to how many people have Biohazard's music on their PC's or MP3 players that are taking part in the conversation. I'd be willing to bet the percentage would be quite low.
            The thing that pisses me off is, all these multi-milionaire ***** complain about how 'artists' are suffering from internet downloads, while there are thousands of talented musicians and bands in any major city that (in a time before the internet, P2P, social-networking sites, etc) would have gone completely unheard. In reality, for the average non-corporate musician, you don't make ***** off of selling CDs. Nowadays you might make a little bit off MP3 sales because it doesn't cost as much to produce, but for the vast majority of non-corporate composers and performers, playing live gigs is the primary source of income. The FACT is, is that the music INDUSTRY is getting hurt by pirating but the music ARTFORM is benefiting from it (as well as countless other technologies and services). So this stupid asshat is whining because he got rich off the corporate record labels, and now the music industry has shifted dynamically in the smaller artists favor. What a useless prick.
            And one more thing. It is perfectly legal to hear a song on AM/FM/Internet radio and record it to a personal audio device or computer (people have been doing it for a long time, making mix tapes etc.), So for the morons who think that any copying of a song is 'stealing' you are dead wrong under legal precedent. If i hear an entire brand new CD on the radio and record the entire set and keep it on my mp3 player, im perfectly well within my rights to do so, as long as im not selling copies to people without authorization. This is just another case of pathetic industry lapdogs not being able to let go of the fact that the old days of sell-out and get rich are nearly gone. People can choose to listen to music locally and people can choose to support smaller bands (and bands that are smart enough to distribute online), which they could have never done before. If this was 1970, you wouldn't be able to find out about small bands from across the country, you heard the big guys on the radio, went to the record store, and bought the record. Those days are numbered and the new industry is taking shape. 'Artists' need to shape up or ship out, because technology isnt going to wait for them. Not like it matters anyway, because the really talented composers and performers of our time will always be overshadowed by mindless, overproduced, pop music... sadly.
        • Jonjonr6, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3I support atrists by listening only to free radio, cause they make a ***** load when their music is played on free radio! Oh, wait, more like someone in the music industry paid for their song to be high in the circulation.
          I mean, what if everyone just turned to radio and stopped buying music. It's not illegal. The artists don't make money. The promoter pays money for the air play.

          • mwrl, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1What is this free radio you speak of? Never heard of a free radio station before.
          • Blandyman, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1mwrl: They're all over... just press "Power"...
        • bsolidgold, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2I don't know why anyone would settle for an MP3 over full bandwidth music anyway... Most people don't understand the difference between 'CD quality' and MP3, nor can they hear the difference at the volumes they listen to them at. ***** the RIAA... I'll rip/burn/pirate anything I want.
      • Waiting2awake, on 04/21/2008, -8/+40Walking into a record store - taking a CD is stealing. In the record store there is no more CD because someone took the CD.

        Downloading it from a torrent site is copying the CD - not stealing it. The record store would still have the CD.

        Lets not let them frame the argument by using common phrases in uncommon ways.
        • fkr3, on 04/21/2008, -25/+6Recently the EFF tried to convince a judge it wasn't stealing too, the judge said the EFF was relying on an "overly literal" definition of "material object."

          But thanks for being that idiot who thinks it's inherently different from stealing.
          • kurttrail, on 04/21/2008, -4/+10Cite?
          • str1fe, on 04/21/2008, -4/+15And I say the RIAA is using an overly literal definition of stealing by applying it to anything not paid for. What say you to that?
          • fyngyrz, on 04/21/2008, -10/+4It isn't "anything not paid for." It is "some creative product offered for sale, taken without consent of the inventor / author, where said act clearly fills a market desire for the product without directing compensation back to the inventor / author."

            Buy and support; don't buy, and don't support. Those are your legitimate choices. Stealing is not included, and it *is* stealing. The entire "its easy to do and doesn't change availability when I take it" is a childish argument that presumes there is no value in the creation of the work, which is either naive or disingenuous.

            You can't justify theft of creative materials offered for sale. There's no way to do it. Every time you try, you look like a fool. That's the bottom line. Society will never allow creative digital or digitized works to become valueless in the face of thieves. The more you do it, the more you encourage DRM, so I wish to ***** you'd all just quit, though I realize you're far too stupid and self-centered to ever do so, and when you grow up, the generation coming behind you won't be any smarter. That's why DRM will eventually lock all this down and inconvenience the crap out of me - because you children (and adults who think like children) can't reason your way out of a paper bag.
          • fkr3, on 04/21/2008, -5/+5Here's where the judge said that the physical-ness is irrelevant:
            http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080403-judg ...
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            Judge Gertner did find another EFF argument unconvincing, however. In this and other cases, the EFF had argued that the Copyright Act mandates that an actually, physical copy change hands in order for infringement to occur. Not so, according to the judge, who ruled that the EFF was relying on an "overly literal" definition of "material object." Whether the distribution takes place electronically or physical makes no difference.
          • 11oops, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3I love it. They ask for a citation, you provide it, and they digg you down. You just can't win while they're all on the bandwagon.
          • str1fe, on 04/21/2008, -3/+3So that proves copyright violation. -It's still not stealing-, and copyright laws still need to be reformed to the point that the consumer isn't screwed over.
          • fkr3, on 04/21/2008, -3/+2Consumers aren't being screwed. You have many choices - buy the music, take it illegally, listen to it legally through various means, or not to have it at all. We've never had *more* choices and more free access to stuff than we have now.

            Just because they're not bending over to give us complete, unrestricted access to everything ever made in exchange for $0 does not mean we're being screwed. They're not under any obligation to give us anything for nothing they just want to sell their products. They're no more the bad guy then any other manufacturer who chooses not giving their ***** away, or any other company who decides to charge for their services, or any person who decides they want to be paid for their work.
          • darkamster07, on 04/22/2008, -1/+2other manufacturers don't install rootkits on my pc, or sue my dead grandfather for piracy, or basically get away with legal bullying and manipulation. this is more than just the principle of free information (free as in use), there is vengance in it too.
        • oldhick, on 04/21/2008, -7/+12fkr3, why is it that everyone else is the idiot? Copying and stealing are two different things. How much are you willing to pay me for my copy of the Mona Lisa? You're the dense one that can't figure it out a simple concept.
          • MacParrot, on 04/21/2008, -8/+9While there certainly is a slippery slope between out and out theft and downloading music against the will of the content copyright holders, your example doesn't hold water.

            You CAN'T copy the Mona Lisa. By its very nature you couldn't have an exact duplicate as it would mean that it was on a canvas similar to what the artist used, with the same paints and pigments, brush strokes, etc that the artist used or had available and was hundreds of years old like the original.

            The problem with digital media is that you can't tell the difference between the source file and the original as long as both are the same file formats, bitrate, and so on. However, it still required musicians, engineers, studios, instruments, time to create /craft /define whatever the medium is and all those people as well as the people that own the copyright (whoever that is) deserve to be compensated for that work.

            If you download some file to just check out and decide it's rubbish and toss it, I don't really see the loss as you wouldn't have bought it anyway. If you listen to it more than once or (be honest) actually like it, then support the process that created it and get a legal copy.

            Otherwise, yeah you stole it.
          • oldhick, on 04/21/2008, -2/+8You are certainly entitled to your opinion... I don't want to get into the whole reproducing an image vs. reproducing audio, but my mp3 doesn't come with a album sleeve or CD cover, it doesn't come with liner notes, just like a photo of the mona lisa would have brush strokes. For all intents and purposes we can make crappier digital copies of anything. Mp3's are dramatically worse in audio quality than masters. Trust me, I've made and sold and given away a few albums in my day.

            I also disagree with you as an artist on being compensated.
          • MacParrot, on 04/21/2008, -2/+2"I also disagree with you as an artist on being compensated."
            If creating music (whether or not it's good depends on individual taste) is how someone makes a living or by all those who are in a support of creating music, then by consuming something (even if it isn't a physical item) without recompenses could be considered theft if there is an intrinsic value attached. I don't know what you do for employment (and I'm not asking), but most people these days are in some kind of support industry and no actual item is created by them at the end of the day. If their employer refused to pay them for their time because nothing was created that could be resold in a retail store, how long would they (or you) work for them?
            You value your time (or should) as do I. I expect to be paid for time I spent working. So does everyone else.
          • fyngyrz, on 04/21/2008, -4/+4The mona lisa is a one-off. Only the one-off has value, and there is a market for that one item. The copies are not of equal value, and the fact that they exist does not in any way reduce the value of the original.

            A copy of a band's song is as good as the original recording. Every copy made is worth as much as the original recording. Like having a molecule-for molecule copy of the mona lisa. Maybe better; you can carry it in your pocket.

            Artists (living) who produce works like the mona lisa and rock extravaganzas expect to be compensated. If every copy of a song is worth zero because [insert your reasoning here], then the sum of the value of all the copies is also zero, and the artist spent all that time and energy for nothing. Can't eat, drink or feed the cat.

            So: Why would the artist make another song? In other words, copying is destructive to the very act you are trying, in your childish, short-sighted, naive/disingenuous and criminal way, to appreciate.

            So stop doing that. Become a valued part of the system. If you like a tune, buy it. That supports the artist. If you don't like a tune, don't buy it. The system provides ample opportunities to sample before you buy. iTunes provides snippets of just about everything, and you don't need to spend a penny to hear the samples. The radio is another source. So is TV. So is Internet radio. Some bands provide samples. Your experience with a band can lead you as to what you'd probably want to spend on, or not.

            As long as this idiotic reasoning persists that creative work is worth zero because [insert your reason here], DRM will get tougher and tougher, and eventually, we'll all suffer because you people are unwilling to value abstractions as a work product.

            You watch: The choice here is either let the music industry suffer greatly and many bands die, or protect the living crap out of the content until its impossible to steal. Which do YOU think will come to pass?
          • oldhick, on 04/21/2008, -3/+5An MP3 copy of a song is not as good as the original recording, ever.
            I make music for a living. People freely share and copy my music. I STILL make a living.
            My reasoning is NOT idiotic and simply by you repeating it more and more doesn't make it so. You have your opinion and you're welcome to it. I have mine. If you think being compensated for an MP3 or ***** it, even a FLAC copy is your source of revenue then find a new business model. Lots of us have and we're doing just fine. You're caught up in the old mentality and its a mind set that the recording industry has invested millions in perpetuating. They fear the loss of control. True artists are embracing the new digital era and distribution methods.
            This stupid argument is reminiscent of the Bush terror doctrine: Be afraid! Be very afraid!
            Screw all you with your narrow minds. Bands that die because of music sharing would be dead anyways and bands that choose to "protect the living crap out of their content" will disappear to. I KNOW which one will come to pass.
        • solid12345, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2Can I "copy" your social security number?

          The idea that digital information should not be treated as tangible objects is absurd.
      • goettel, on 04/21/2008, -2/+8What Mr. Biohazard bassplayer can go do is sit in the right corner hating the future, while the rest of humanity just'll go on downloading in the left corner.
        Live and let live, right.
        • cdahlkvist, on 04/21/2008, -2/+5Exactly. He and his band will be left behind the technology and forgotten about because they didn't use P2P to their advantage.

          I'm not afraid he is going to "kick the *****" out of me. I'm sure I could take his pussy ass down.

          But that transvestite Amazon he is next to...that frightens me. I will never use a torrent again.

          I love how he advocates stealing from Microsoft or any other company that "can afford it". What a hypocrite.

          I hope Bill Gates kicks the ***** out of him.
          • Sidzilla, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Dugg up just for the mental image of Bill Gates throwing down.
      • macweirdo42, on 04/21/2008, -2/+5I don't see how downloading music is inherently a crime. Downloading music I haven't paid for, okay, but just downloading music? What pisses me off is people like you, who have their heads so far up their own asses that they can't see there are legitimate reasons to download music. And there's no sense arguing with you lot, because if I try to say anything other than that all downloading is a crime, you turn around and accuse my of merely trying to justify my criminal actions. I mean, *****, I scratched my favorite CD - I go online and download a copy. What's the harm? I bought the CD - the band was compensated. Or hey, I have some music from iTunes, but it's DRM-protected, and I want to put that music on a non-iPod MP3 player. It's a helluva lot easier to just download the songs from bittorrent than it is to burn them all to a CD, and then rip them again to get rid of the DRM. Once again, the band's been compensated, what's the problem?
        • zongamin, on 04/22/2008, -3/+1Complete ***** - if you scratched the CD you buy another ***** copy.
          • macweirdo42, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1I'm allowed to have a backup - the fact that I'm recovering the data from a copy someone else made rather than from a copy I made myself is merely a technicality. It's not like they're losing money either way.
        • Lithpiperpilot, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2Why should he have to? He owns the songs. The cd is just one format that it was given to him on.
      • JusticeFriend, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1o rly?
      • eatbeefjerky, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3Then provide me the music I want in the format I want at a reasonable price. Yeah, there will always be people who download music, but I'm more than sure many of them are mostly irritated at one of the following:

        a) Services like iTunes, etc aren't offering lossless media. I personally want lossless music in my collection for obvious reasons.
        b) It's DRM'd. I'm sorry, but I purchased your song, I therefore should be allowed to use it however I want provided I don't actually use it for financial gain. Yes, even if that means letting - gasp - a few of my friends listen to it!
        c) It's ***** music! Don't be mad at the consumers unwilling to pay $15+ for an album with 2 good songs and 13 filler songs - we live in a capitalistic society and as such, the consumers have voted with their dollars AGAINST your product! Make better music, and more people might want it.
        • zongamin, on 04/22/2008, -1/+1So I presume you are only stealing the tracks you like at high quality? *****. I hate liars.
      • uberfu, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2I love how he points to Metallica specifically_ Seeing as how Metallica IS ONLY where they got to be today BECAUSE of Bootleg Music of their shows_ Metallica are ***** hypocrits and this douche-bag from Biohazard - what's he got to complain about? Is he still paying for his girlfriend's giant sagging *****?
    • buildbyflying, on 04/21/2008, -4/+53What torrent sites are doing is leveling the playing field.
      When music went digital, it was inevitable that the value of the music would drop. It's able to be copied without a reduction in quality over infinite generations. Imagine if this were the case for gold? Or diamonds? After all cubic zirconium is not the same thing.
      As for music "pirates", these are people who feel the music industry has taken unfair advantage of their pocketbooks and until they sell content at a price more reasonable to the demand then they will continue to get the product for free. Supply and demand. Right now it's a buyer's market. But the buyer is reasonable, look at the profit of itunes, even with its glaring flaws it continues to do well.
      Remember, people aren't "required" to pay anything for anything. No one's holding agun to your head and telling you to buy a car -- you buy a car when you need it. In NYC mass transport robs the car industry of millions of dollars that it could make if metro riders were all drivers (and car buyers). Does that mean the metro system is "stealing"? Whether or not the metro system is paid for is irrelevant, to compare it to torrents it would be more of a non-profit service.
      And I love it when dudes who call themselves f*cker3 (because the first two were already taken) try to justify the lame comments of an aging musician whose work was never all that good so his new day job is picking up the wads of bills I jack off into.

      • geogeer, on 04/21/2008, -15/+14I don't see you not paying for the transit system. It is plain and simple theft. If an artist wants to charge $1000 per CD for his music it is his/her choice. You can either pay for it or not. That is your choice. By saying I'm not willing to pay that much and then download the product and use it for free is plain and simple theft. If you want the moral high ground fine - don't buy. I can respect that. To take what you want and say it is the moral high ground is simply making excuses for theft.
        • acknotSW, on 04/21/2008, -6/+5I agree that it is stealing, but how do you put a price on that theft? If he is charging $1000 for that CD, there is no way in hell I would ever pay that even if I could afford it. If I download it, he has lost nothing because the copy didn't cost him a dime to produce.
          • geogeer, on 04/21/2008, -7/+7You don't get it. It is HIS intellectual property. He has the right to charge whatever the heck he wants. It is your right to buy or not buy. If he believes that he will maximize his profits by selling it at $1000 a CD great for him. I wish him all the luck in the world. If someone else thinks $1 a CD will maximize their profits - fantastic, I wish them all the best. You have no rights to it until you buy it.

            This is analogous to saying the car rental company wanted $50 for me to rent the car overnight. I didn't think it was worth $50 so I "borrowed" it overnight and had it back on the lot in the morning with the same amount of gas in the tank. Since they weren't going to loan it out anyways they lost nothing. The thing is, you have no right to it. Period.

            The record lost a sale because you are listening to it without paying. Don't want to pay? No problem. Don't listen. Simple enough.
          • Kontra8, on 04/21/2008, -2/+6Car rental analogy is not the same. You will never be able to make real world analogy with virtual simply because everything is limited in real world (unless you're talking about solar energy perhaps). Taking a car overnight would still mean there's physically one car less to rent. Copying is infinitely free and there won't be one less copy to sell or rent.
          • acknotSW, on 04/21/2008, -4/+2I do "get it" you think it's stealing, so do I by today's standards, but you can not validate the argument that the sale was lost because there is no way to prove that the sale would have been made.

            Your analogy with the car is very flawed. When I had the car in my possession, I put wear and tear on the car, there was a risk that I might have crashed it or it might have been stolen by someone who wouldn't have returned it. While I had the car, it could not have been rented or used by the owner if they had so chosen.

            Regardless, we will eventually get to a point where an artist will not be able to make any or very little money form a recording of their music, and this is a good thing. I have no problem with someone profiting from their creation and I have serious problems with other people profiting from their intellectual property without their consent.
          • owningxylophone, on 04/21/2008, -2/+0"Regardless, we will eventually get to a point where an artist will not be able to make any or very little money form a recording of their music, and this is a good thing"
            I'm sorry... Did I miss something here? How is it a good thing that PROFESSIONAL musicians would make no money from recording? That's when there going to stop... Great no music!
        • PhantomRogue, on 04/21/2008, -4/+3Ahh, but its not the Artists choice. Its the RIAA's choice. The Monopoly they had over the Music Industry and the Price Fixing they do is their choice. The same as I choose to download my music, give a proud middle finger salute to the Suits that line the buildings of the RIAA and MPAA offices. If I was actually hurting the Arists, and not the RIAA... I MIGHT feel bad. However, I still support the Bands I like, just not how the RIAA says I should support them. So this ones for you RIAA, "Go ***** yourself."
        • SpyDerMann, on 04/21/2008, -3/+4It is not theft when stores only distribute RIAA-sponsored music. Same goes with radio stations.

          What Biohazard fails to understand is that the RIAA become terrible middlemen and inflate prices to whatever they want - screwing the consumer and the artists, too!

          And don't get me started on the lawsuits against single mothers. Those guys are plain EVIL. Cut off the middlemen!
        • mOdQuArK, on 04/21/2008, -2/+4If you want the moral high ground, then you'd better not try and go and dishonestly redefine the legal terms that you are using just because you don't think they sound "immoral" enough. Theft is stealing real physical things. Illegal copyright violations fall under copyright infringment laws. There are good logical reasons why there are separate sets of laws on the books to distinguish between "theft" and "copyright infringement", and none of those reasons include "they are the same thing".
      • acknotSW, on 04/21/2008, -1/+8Good one man, I was about to post something trying to make the same point, but your analogy is much better then the one I came up with.

        The bottom line is that the entire entertainment industry is going to change and that change will not include multi million dollar upfront contracts, hundreds of millions more in royalties, and actors making 100 million per movie. Boo ***** hoo, a new band who gets popular will still make enough money to never have to work again, they just won't be able to support the next 20 generations of their families.
        • hexydes, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Not even; the talent (so-named because they are the TALENTED ones in the mix), will likely fare even better. There will only be two differences:

          1. The "talent" will be chosen by the consumer, rather than the label/studio.

          2. The label/studio, if they are even involved anymore, are going to have to start giving out much more even distributions all around. That means lower prices for the consumer, higher wages for the employees, and the only off-set being instead of being a multi-multi-multi-billion dollar corporation/organization, they might only be a multi-multi-billion dollar corporation/organization.

          Good times ahead; stay-tuned!
    • ryan850, on 04/21/2008, -6/+0I assume you are talking about how they aren't doing disease ridden porn stars.
    • salomejones, on 04/21/2008, -1/+17Nah, see its always the worst bands with bad record sales anyway (at least, compared with the sorts of sales they WANT) who blame everyone but themselves for their lack of popularity. Maybe if Evan Seinfeld actually learned how to sing or play bass, Biohazard would sell more records.
      • br0ken1128, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2While the debate about whether or not it's theft rages on, you have a point - I never hear those artists who have decent record sales complaining .. and those artists that find some way to embrace it seem to be doing better and better.. if you earn the respect of your fans, I think more often or not.. they buy .. I bought two copies of NIN's ghosts (digital and physical cd).. I've bought a physical copy of every album they have produced because I want to see them keep making music.

        In the case of With Teeth, I ended up buying it three times.. Digital, the normal U.S. release and an import..
    • nogami, on 04/21/2008, -2/+86Biohazard? Never heard of them. Don't care. No story here. Move along please.
      • WNW3, on 04/21/2008, -0/+13Wait? There was a story? I only saw *****.
      • br0ken1128, on 04/21/2008, -3/+2You've never heard of them, that's why they are complaining ... but truthfully piracy probably hurts the bad performers more so because if you're not a big fan but you don't necessarily mind them.. you'll probably just pirate it .. I still say if you earn the respect of your fans and you're producing quality music.. then sales will go up
        • Gizza, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1Well actually if it wasn't for piracy they wouldn't have complained. And if they hadn't complained this story would have never been posted. So now we can say that because of piracy that probably a few thousand Diggers who had never heard of Biohazard now have. Will this turn into sales? Probably not, but at least their name has gotten out to a few more people. Piracy is free advertisement.
    • SocialPoison, on 04/21/2008, -2/+94Who the ***** is Biohazard?
      • toppgun, on 04/21/2008, -0/+14Resident Evil in Japan
      • bob501337, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5The band whose sticker got put on a sewage container in Joe Dirt.
      • joshualamgroup, on 04/22/2008, -0/+3some ***** band in which the bass player couldn't be bothered with anymore and started a porn business
    • Kaitsu, on 04/21/2008, -2/+3It's not viable at all for anyone who isn't already extremely popular out in the world.
      • jbettineski, on 04/21/2008, -3/+5This is the idea that needs to get out there.

        New bands don't stand a chance.
        • alexforcefive, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Tell that to the arctic monkeys and lilly allen.
    • NinjaBoy, on 04/21/2008, -1/+8I think I'm going to start A really ***** band, and then just cuss out torrent sites. Maybe even make it to the pirate bay hate mail site or the front page of Digg. Then become famous because people will download and listen to my music just to try and piss me off ^_^
      • artfiend77, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Hey, the you can get the RIAA to sue people, makes TONS of cash, then split the loot with them..ohhhhhh......wait a minute.....nevermind....
    • achacha, on 04/21/2008, -0/+22I think more people have banged his wife (Tera Patrick) than people who have actually heard of Biohazard.
    • GhostyBoy, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1I actually like BioHazard. This kind of pisses me off.
    • bsolidgold, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5Biohazard's bassist can come try to kick my ass any time he wants. That would be a fun fight/beating.
      • catbeller, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1Thirty millions of us vs. a bassist. He may need to bring his mates along.
    • phoomp, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6BioWho?
    • dukeochutney, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1what sorry wasnt paying attention....downloading his ***** music and pr0n and deleting over and over. cept for the good pr0n
    • ParticleMan420, on 04/22/2008, -1/+1did you give a ***** about them before? he's hoping you will now, thats why he mentions it.
      he's only pissed because he also thinks he's a porn king, and THATS probably what people are downloading.
      i'm going to go download biohazard's discography now on pirate bay, then delete it (like the guy above me)
      lets see his fat ass come kick mine.
      • zongamin, on 04/22/2008, -2/+1you utter spastic
        • ParticleMan420, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1does that even mean anything?
          did i offend the 1 biohazard fan in the world?
          sorry!
          • ParticleMan420, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1i meant, the 1 biohazard fan than can work a computer and spell...
    • xonahuia, on 04/22/2008, -2/+1Tera Patrick should dump that chump and cum to camp with this champ
      • ParticleMan420, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1you want his sloppy seconds??
        ***** nasty!
        well she's a porn star, so it's probably more like sloppy 10,000's
  • ampm2, on 04/21/2008, -4/+112quote "....and you better know that if he catches you doing it, he will happily “kick the ***** out of you”."
    Well he will need to kick the ***** out from about 1 of 10 internet users....
    • kingmanic, on 04/21/2008, -4/+201/10 internet users say they pirate music, 8/10 internet users lie and the remaining 1/10 don't care much for music. I am the 1/10 that doesn't give a ***** and just listens in to radio when I need background noise.
      • fyngyrz, on 04/21/2008, -7/+3I've been an Internet user since the web arrived. I was on Compuserve before that. I have never, repeat never, stolen a song, that is, downloaded something I had not paid for, or which was not legitimately offered for free.

        I love music, I am a musician, and unless my ears fail me, I can't see that ever changing.

        I have always supported the artists I appreciate, and I always will.


        • AustinMeoang, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4Well see, sometimes, especially when it's a new band, I want to listen to a song before I pay for it. If I like the band, and respect them, I will pay for their music gladly.
        • kingmanic, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4If you are a musician and support artists you'll problably have first or second hand knowledge at how the RIAA and it's affiliates and backers screw musicians and thus you ought to pay for it directly (if the band is small, buy it at the venue, if they are big pay directly if you can or attempt to pirate and send them a cash.)
          • alexforcefive, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5Yeah. Buying merch and going to gigs supports artists way more than buying cds ever could. And it makes you look cool!
        • Chaos12, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Shallow
      • bsolidgold, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4Want a cookie?
    • fatlip, on 04/21/2008, -1/+101 of 10? underestimation if i ever heard one.


      also FTA: "Personally, as a creative guy, [I feel that] it’s wrong." -- creative, eh? playing root notes of chords in a ***** metal band and porn? thats creative?

      come on.
      • br0ken1128, on 04/21/2008, -3/+1I don't know about that.. the internet consists of a lot of people! in my company, I'd be surprised if anyone pirated music just because of their personality types.. we're an internet company and we're all tech savvy but I just don't see anyone here as the pirate type .. I'd be the first one suspected of it and I don't even pirate music (I'm a musician myself)... I use last.fm and band profiles on myspace (and elsewhere) to find new stuff.. and then I go buy drm free mp3s from Amazon (usually)
    • Asianwaste, on 04/21/2008, -0/+13I'd welcome the ***** kicking. He can sue me and I can counter sue him for more.
    • JedicodeWarrior, on 04/21/2008, -0/+31 in 10 seems rather low.
      • pr0t3st, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5Not really. Biohazard sucks ass. It's actually really high.
    • sinurgy, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5"we spend a lot of time and money policing the internet".....aaaaahahahahahaha goodluck!
      As for kicking peoples ass...please this isn't your '95 internet, everyone is on now and plenty of us would whip his whiny ass!!
      • hexydes, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Perhaps if he spent that time and money investing in advertising for his band and investing in good distribution models for his band's music, then someone would have heard of his band.

        Seriously? Biohazard? I knew some obscure 80s bands, but I've never heard of them. They are 80s, am I assuming correctly?
    • gcnaddict, on 04/21/2008, -0/+31/10? Seems more like 1/100,000. Who the ***** listens to Biohazard?

      Oh, he meant songs from other artists too. Why does he care? He can't kick the ***** out of me if I'm downloading NIN. I'll sue if he does.
    • Pixelante, on 04/21/2008, -1/+0Kicking the ***** out of 1/10 of internet users is no big deal, they're nerds, they cannot fight back effectively. But he could get tired easily.
      • Travelsonic, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1I know how to knock somebody unconcious with a single punch, you generalizing git.
        • Pixelante, on 04/22/2008, -0/+0Are you aiming for the back of the head? Works every time. No strength needed.
          • camg188, on 04/22/2008, -0/+0No, it's a karate chop to the neck with a loud "Hi-Yaa". That, or the Vulcan death grip.
    • bieber, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3Mr. Seinfeld, I don't actually Bittorrent things, for fear of the people like you and their lawyers monetarily ruining my life, but I would like to extend an invitation to you. Instead of trying to hunt down all the Torrenters and kicking the ***** out of them, just send me a Digg message with some official contact info: I'll tell you where I train, and you can come down and try to kick the ***** out of me instead (sorry about the potential travel difficulties, but I figure you've got a little more in the way of transportation options than I do). I know you bassists are sensitive about your hands, so we can even wear gloves if you want...
  • vfreak2, on 04/21/2008, -15/+145This guy needs an encounter with Anonymous.
  • kmotiv1, on 04/21/2008, -7/+555No one is illegally downloading Biohazard because no on gives a ***** about Biohazard. This is a cry for attention from a forgotton group of washed up musicians.
    • davidjunit, on 04/21/2008, -3/+23IT'S EASY FOR DENNIS TO GIVE A ***** BECAUSE HE'S SO FULL OF *****!
    • tehbored, on 04/21/2008, -0/+129Forgotten? I've never heard of them in the first place!
      • objectcode, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1think i was just a kid when they first came around
        • Sidzilla, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Maybe we should download some Biohazard and give it a listen?
      • SocialPoison, on 04/21/2008, -2/+2I was thinking the exact same thing.
      • Impeller, on 04/21/2008, -1/+4I think it was in 96 when I heard their fluorescent case album, I really regret ever listening to them, they suck balls.
    • oldhick, on 04/21/2008, -0/+31He's only pissed off 'cause his wife Terra Patrick is a porn star and who the ***** pays for porn? He wasn't ever going to make ***** off Biohazard.
      • sugarazor, on 04/21/2008, -1/+9However, despite rampant internet piracy, porn still makes billions of dollars a year while the record industry continues to crumble. Hmmm...
        • Ellipsys, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5In all honesty, how does this happen? There is so much free porn on the internet (intentionally, pirated, and "I'm going to fap to the free tour. Ahh I'm done now") that I can't imagine anyone ever paying for it. Who's buying the stuff?
      • CrackyJSquirrel, on 04/21/2008, -4/+9Anyone who is married to a pron star deserves no respect.. Your level of respect goes down in relation to how many dicks other then yours enter your wife..
      • cdahlkvist, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7That was Tera Patrick in the picture? What the hell happened to her? She looks like a transvestite now.

        Oh, I know what happened...porn.
    • Herostratus, on 04/21/2008, -0/+17***** you beat me to it! I wanted to be the one to call up the fact that Biohazard sucks!
    • DoubtingThomas, on 04/21/2008, -0/+16Biohazard was always a sub-par metal band, and I am being generous when I say that.
    • headzoo, on 04/21/2008, -1/+6Which is why he's so pissed. When you were only selling 200 albums to begin with...
    • grimward, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1You know, it's actually more impressive that he's Tera's damned lucky husband that he's some kind of washed out musician :P
      • CrackyJSquirrel, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Yeah its lucky to screw someone who for a days work sucked 15 dicks.. that sounds awesome!!!!
        • cdahlkvist, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1So really he is sucking 15 ***** a day vicariously.
        • grimward, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1If I was together with Tera, I really wouldn't mind :P
          • MoralThreat, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Yeah but there are better looking ones out there. I'd take Jesse Cappelli over TP.
    • JedicodeWarrior, on 04/21/2008, -0/+8Who/what is Biohazard??
      • Kronos6948, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Remember when Onyx did that Metal crossover of SLAM? That's them. And, that was their only shining moment.
        • lolinyerface, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1Then they were on OMTV with the Triple Rox Sisters of Ocnza 12? Man that was some tribblezibbits, unk!
      • lolinyerface, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3That's my question. Glad to not know. :)
    • ramunenke, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6when i first saw the headline, I thought it was a game developer.

      Who the hell is Biohazard.
    • MRintheKeys, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4I dunno....I know Tera Patrick is hot...but come on dude....it's not like you are the first....or the only guy....
    • badnewsblair, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1A-f*cking-men to that.
    • Goner, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Yeah, I thought Biohazard was a fighting robot from the old BattleBots show on Comedy Central...
  • MavRevMatt, on 04/21/2008, -7/+114Wow, what a douche.
    • chris9902, on 04/21/2008, -0/+28I'm gonna go download his ***** then delete it.
      • ShempRider, on 04/21/2008, -0/+8I'm gonna download his ***** then wait for him to kick the ***** out me.
        Just kidding.
        I'm not downloading his has-been noise.
    • objectcode, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3dont let him see this comment
    • bratterscain, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1So for someone breaking the law, this bitchy Biohazard guy brags that he is going to break the law? Hypocrites, aren't we?
  • AsSubtleAsABrik, on 04/21/2008, -11/+195The real problem is they don't realize that pirated music does not necessarily correlate to lost sales. Most of the music I download I wouldn't pay for anyway. I can't. I don't have the money to do it. So they didn't lose any money from me. Probably gained something because I tell my friends about it and maybe they will pay for it.
    ***** greedy people (read the RIAA).
    • PAStheLoD, on 04/21/2008, -2/+26Plust I've got to know a lot of bands from friends and through P2P, and whenever I can I go to their gigs, and pay for the entrance fee. And small bands got much more from that, than crappy album contracts.
      • Hraes, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6Exactly. I've been to a number of concerts that I definitely would not have had any interest if I hadn't acquired the albums through other means.

        And same as AsSubtle, yeah, I have no money. If I had to buy all my music, I'd have to stop eating.
    • Protoss, on 04/21/2008, -0/+10I can attest to that. I've gotten into Matisyahu, Radiohead and The Shins by people suggesting their albums and then I'll download them. And I've bought tickets and seen The Shins and Matisyahu in concert, even bought shirts from their merch booths, and I'm going to see Radiohead in May.
      I'm giving more to the artist by buying their tickets and merch than I would by buying their CDs.
    • urinate, on 04/21/2008, -1/+9Exactly. The RIAA are the scumbags. They say pirates are stealing their profits, but they probably make all of their statistics up or fudge them to fit their argument.
    • knowitman, on 04/21/2008, -4/+4But you can't take it to the opposite extreme like you are doing. While yes, a lot of pirated music doesn't directly result in lost sales, a lot still does. I know of people who eagerly anticipate the release of their favorite artist's new album to just go and download it as soon as a rip hits the internet. That is lost sales.
    • hellsing47, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2While I know what you mean, the problem with pirating music is it becomes a mindset.

      While its true I download alot of music I would never pay for, what if I never had the option of acquiring it for free?

      Some music would be payed for, although selectively.

      I remember back when burning CD's first became popular, it was like free music before Napster.
    • solid12345, on 04/22/2008, -1/+1Piracy doesn't result in lost sales yet music sales are at an all-time low in the history of recorded music...?
  • JMilton, on 04/21/2008, -6/+159I don't get it. He has a problem with people who share and enjoy his music, but he doesn't have a problem sharing his own wife with the rest of porn *****. Consistency?
    • shazzb0t, on 04/21/2008, -1/+28POINT. SET. MATCH.
      GAME OVER.
    • DoubtingThomas, on 04/21/2008, -0/+22Dug for true irony!
    • bundwallah, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7That gets him $$ so technically......
    • JedicodeWarrior, on 04/21/2008, -0/+16Wife?? I though that was a blow up doll next to him.
    • lumbergh, on 04/21/2008, -4/+1Some people sacrifice their jealousy for being able to f*** any damn which way they please to.
    • KlogereEndGrim, on 04/21/2008, -2/+8Difference is he gets money when someone sticks a dick inside her and records it, and money, as we all should know by now, is what tells us the difference between right and wrong!

      ...Until that pesky internet thing came along and spoiled all the fun that is! ;)
  • FriedOstrich, on 04/21/2008, -5/+310Who the ***** is this guy and why does anyone care what he thinks?
    • presidentjapan, on 04/21/2008, -1/+54I've never even heard of the band.
      • DoubtingThomas, on 04/21/2008, -2/+13Early to mid-90's metal. No one really knew who they where back then either, though.
    • acdcfanbill, on 04/21/2008, -2/+4Oh boy, a random (c)rapmetal.
    • 1gunners4, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7Judging from the picture and his relative height compared to Saggy Boobs McGee, I'd say he'd have trouble making due on his promise to kick the ***** out of anyone who downloads music.
    • mahdaeng, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Exactly! This is the first time I've even heard of this band.
      • tao52nyc, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1And now that I HAVE heard of them, I fully intend to NEVER download their stuff - and I'm not buying it either! They can rot in Metallica's download hell.
    • ivanmarsh, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1My thoughts exactly... who the fark is Biohazard?
      Having such horrible taste in "music" should be punishment enough.
      I like that all these bands that suck think it's P2P that's keeping money out of their pockets.

      Well... Mr. Stupid, violent bass player dude, you have my solemn oath: I will never download your music from the Internet.
    • rigelt, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1*LOL* same here
    • j83com, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2lol for real.
  • EyeSurgery, on 04/21/2008, -2/+64He must golf with Lars Ulrich, same uninformed arguments. And hypocrisy to boot! Why don't the filthy rich understand economics?
    • cliffski, on 04/21/2008, -18/+3i think they understand way more than some dumbass ***** on digg who still lives in his moms basement.
      • Bertram23, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Wow, nice riposte. I presume that took most of the 17 hours between your posts. I mean that's not the kind of ***** that just comes straight of the top of your head, that's got to be the product of some serious thought. Respect man, respect.
    • Mjeacoma, on 04/21/2008, -0/+14You are assuming that Lars would even golf with this wanna bee - Biohazard is a band that never had a hit, a following or any talent whatsoever...

      ///not a fan of Metallica either
    • Wolfie351, on 04/21/2008, -5/+1Talk about uninformed. Metallica wasn't against file sharing per se, they were against the corporation called Napster who tried to extort the music industry. If anyone thinks Napster was about free music, they are naive idiots. Metallica has done more free stuff for fans than most all other bands, including letting fans record shows and freely distributing those recordings.

      ///not a fan of Metallica either
      • fokov, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1I wouldn't go that far as to going with the free side, but yea I had to agree with Metallica against Napster. Otherwise all those funny cartoons wouldn't have ever been made. :D FIRE BAD!!
      • solid12345, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1As if the pirate bay is not extorting the music industry? They are making millions off porno ads by drawing you to their site with offers of free music and movies. It is the EXACT same economic model as Napster.
    • TheUserFactor, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2I doubt Evan is rich, but I'm sure he's filthy. World-class douchebag.

      ///was a fan of Metallica before they started wearing diapers
  • thedragon4453, on 04/21/2008, -4/+145Man, that last paragraph just screams of idiocy. Claiming that file sharing killed heavy metal? The decline of metal has nothing to do with the changing tastes of the growing public? I guess that file sharing must have killed big band swing, and disco, and so on.

    Or, this gem: "If you are going to steal from someone, steal programs from Microsoft ‘cause they can afford it, but don’t steal from creative artists who make movies and music and TV programs for your enjoyment because you become part of the problem."

    All of a sudden its okay to take programs that thousands of businesses and consumers rely on and use on a daily basis, but shouldn't download the art that is music and movies? XP has less dollar value than a Biohazard album? If MS had never existed the world would be a different place. If Biohazard never existed, all that would change is that the RIAA and MPAA would have one less shill.
    • aladrin, on 04/21/2008, -0/+10That's funny, because I've always felt that big name artists earn way way way too much money, too. The lifestyle they live is ridiculous and is supported by the money those poor starving artists DO make.

      That feeling doesn't lead me to steal/pirate/whatever, but it does lead me to wait for a sale or a major price break.
    • sodade, on 04/21/2008, -0/+11Not to mention that companies like MS employ a ***** of people.
    • fatlip, on 04/21/2008, -0/+14he's just a douchebag overall. "IF IT DOESNT AFFECT ME I DONT GIVE A *****"
    • Hraes, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5Also: this ***** can't afford it? Bull-*****-*****.
    • TnTBass, on 04/21/2008, -3/+3The rest of your rant aside, I often dream of what the world would be like without Microsoft, or more so, what the world would be like if software were always developed open source. I like to believe the world would be a better place.
      • fokov, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5If all software is free, then what is the point of hiring developers?
      • solid12345, on 04/22/2008, -1/+3If everything was open source there would be little to no developers to create anything because most developers use their talents to make money in the day as paid programmers and do open source as a hobby.
    • frazw, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7Damn right.
      I can't believe he spends so long ranting about how file-sharing is stealing (even though personally I have bought more music because of it) and how stealing is wrong. Then says it's ok to steal from microsoft because they can afford it. What a *****! As far as I can see the minute anyone earns a million they can afford to keep themselves in relative luxury for the rest of their life. They can afford to never earn again!
      As always they try to translate piracy figures (which are probably inaccurate anyway) into lost sales and thus actual losses, when that simply isn't true. I'm sure a lot of file-sharers are sampling to see if something is any good and I'd hope that like me that translates into a sale if it is good. The thing is though that sale is never subtracted from the piracy 'lost sales' figure. Also I don't understand why they still try to uphold the regional release date separation. In my opinion that is probably the single largest contributor to piracy. I suspect that if they released film, tv and music simultaneously people in other countries would have one less reason to download it.
      I buy when I can because I agree that artists should be compensated for their work and I have no problem with them getting rich from that. I do have a problem with the fact that they do not get the lions share of the profit and would if possible much prefer to directly compensate them.
      • daza, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1I completely agree, I have no idea why he thinks it's OK to pirate from Microsoft but no one else. If we really think about it for a moment, the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation didn't just spring up overnight, it was the combined sales revenue of Windows which helped create that in the first place. Bill Gate's may be the richest man in the world (well 3rd supposedly) but he's also the worlds biggest philanthropist. What is this metal head doing to better society apart from accusing fans of being criminals? Likely nothing.

        Love or hate Microsoft, they're doing a lot more for society than this guy ever will. I'm not saying your purchase of a Vista license is a charity donation, but it sure as hell is doing more than purchasing a "Biohazard" album.
    • turner050, on 04/21/2008, -1/+4Kurt Cobain killed Heavy Metal, not file -sharing. I love how this guy is bitching about lost sales. I doubt a single biohazard song was downloaded this month.
      • frazw, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2May I direct you to "The Metal" by Tenacious D. I think you'll find that
        "Grunge tried to kill the metal Ha,hahahahaha
        They failed, as they were thrown to the ground"
        :)
    • teejer, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Heavy metal isn't dead...hair metal is dead. Metal is thriving. Take bands like In Flames, who (may have really left their true death metal roots but are still metal) have come more into the mainstream recently. Look at talented bands such as Dragonforce, who is extremely popular now from being on Guitar Hero.

      Then, look at Metallica- a band who complained about Napster, then lost all their talent immediately afterwards (aka St. Anger).
      • ancalagon73, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2I believe you mean Load. That was their downfall.

        Lars: Boo Hoo, we aren't making any money cause of Napster.
        Everyone: Sorry buddy, you aren't making any money cause now you suck.
        • teejer, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Load wasn't that bad, but it definitely didn't compare to old school. Load was really popular and played on MTV helluva lot. ***** Reload and on seemed like the you-guys-are-still-making-music? albums.
      • fokov, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Hair metal sucked anyway, I guess people were just too ***** stoned to actually listen to it. Heavy metal didn't die, but the new crop of consumers was pushed into the new rap stuff, otherwise they would just borrow old tapes/cds from older people or buy it at a used music store. Also I was into distributing the music that I like on IRC. My friend had a huge collection (back then 250 gigs was a lot), and 90% of was underground/non-mainstream music. We didn't pay for all of it, but we would then goto concerts with bands we otherwise would have looked over. In Flames is a great example for me. I never listened to them until I got a bunch of their albums from him. After that I went to a couple of concerts, drunk beer which is where they make most of their money on the road. So I see it as I supported them by spending the $60+ at a few concerts. However, I do not goto many concerts anymore, and am I still an exception to the rule.
        There are many more that just don't want to pay for anything, yet when they get to the market, they will realize they wouldn't want to work for free and will change their minds up about communistic style music (directed toward the majority of the crowd that doesn't want to pay for anything).
        I do appreciate what NIN does and it might work in the end, but there still needs to be a better advertising methodology out there to help the other bands that haven't been around for 20 years.
        • Burn, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2250GB of music is still a ***** lot!
        • solid12345, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2You supported them by going to concerts, but guess what not all of us live in big cities on the west coast to attend such concerts. How am I supposed to support an artist when they never come to my town? Music sales are the only way to generate revenue.
    • Stennie, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2If anything, filesharing revived heavy metal. DragonForce did start out on mp3.com giving away their demo, afterall.
      • teejer, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2100% agreed. personally, i was never aware of metal and its awesomeness until i reached college in 2002. i was able to d/l music i would have never even thought of purchasing and became a huge metalhead. now, i purchase more CD's than when i was in high school due to metal and the internet because i respect the musicianship and purchase the CD's that i love.
    • GhostyBoy, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1Metal isn't less popular. It never was popular and it never will be. And we metal-heads LIKE IT that way.

      Oh and just so you know hair-metal and nu-metal and all that crap that MTV says is metal is watered down pussy ***** packaged for public consumption. That ain't metal.
      • ssn697, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3"Oh and just so you know hair-metal and nu-metal and all that crap"

        Back when the Poison's of the world first started hitting the scene, I coined the phrase "Metal by Mabelliene" to describe them....
      • teejer, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1We metalheads kill our own genre with rhetoric like yours. Nu-metal, agreed, should not be in the metal genre; it's hard rock. However, metalheads are always bashing on some other form of metal, and all it does is separate the fan base. Take my buddy, for example, who loves Sonata Arctica, Falchion, Dragonforce, Rhapsody, etc (aka power/progressive metal), but doesn't like death/doom/black metal, which i'm assuming you like given your comment. He is a metalhead, but just because he listens to the geek-form of metal, he's the outcast. If our genre were to die, it would be caused by the intrinsic effect from ignorant metalheads.
        • GhostyBoy, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1You assume wrong. I don't particularly like death/doom/black metal. And I actually like ***** like Rhapsody, but that ain't what I was refering to.

          I said "hair-metal" meaning the guys who spend more time doing their hair than writing good music. The guys you listed are progressive/power/geek metal, but they put INSANE amounts of work into what they do, and are quite respectable in my opinion. And somehow I don't think they get much play on MTV.

          You need to read what I said instead of reading *into* what I said.
  • vfreak2, on 04/21/2008, -4/+49It's Michael Jackson with boobs!
    • nekochan, on 04/21/2008, -0/+11janet?
    • evilcaptain, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4With his addiction to surgery, it probably crossed his mind.
      • mwalker52, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1The girl looks like she has had a few surgeries too

        You have to think about that one a sec....
  • tehbored, on 04/21/2008, -2/+80You can steal from Microsoft because they can afford it, but don't steal from Atlantic Records because they're poor and obviously can't.
  • McAmp, on 04/21/2008, -3/+47Their sound ***** sucks.

    If you're looking for a band that fuses Hardcore Punk and Metal, listen to Refused.

  • str3ama, on 04/21/2008, -1/+30never heard of it/them ..but Metallica did this already and look where it got them...very very bad PR move, even if you manage to stop piracy - you'll lose fans. And anyone in the music industry should know that the majority of their income comes not from cd sales, but from merchandising and concerts - less fans=less ticket sales on concerts and less sold merchandise. Sure you may get a few extra sales from current fans who will support you - but you lose out on things that couldn't be pirated to begin with..take the smarter decision and allow piracy, but ramp up concerts and merchandising.
    • Bananas21ca, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Bands are just getting lazy. They would rather sit on their ass than go on tour.
      • solid12345, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1The Beatles were lazy then because they stopped touring?

        Personally I appreciate a band that spends more time in the studio than going out 200 days a year and replaying their same old singles and Stairway to Heaven cover songs over and over like a broken record.
  • MAGZine, on 04/22/2008, -5/+94Evan,

    You must be frustrated with Filesharers. You must be frustrated with me. Really though, I think there is a problem here. You're not trusting your fans. If people want to download your music, you shouldn't call them out on it and call them evil scumbags. They made you who you are. Perhaps you didn't realize, but there are 3 compontents that people look for when going to purchase music:
    a) is it cheap?
    b) is it available? (Where do I have to go to get it)
    c) where does the money go? (Artist, or to the label)

    What is cheap? Is your music? Unlikely. You want to know whats cheap? Search Nine Inch Nails. $5 for a 36 track album. Thats cheap. They don't have a label. They had varying packages, free, $5, $10, $75, $300. They released their new album silently. They made $1.6 MILLION in the first week, and that money went entirely to the artists, not to some dumb label. I bought their music, and I downloaded for free 7 tracks they gave me. That is a change of pace from what I usually do, which is pirate up the Wazoo.

    Now, I read what you said about pirates over at TorrentFreak.com. You know what that made me want to do? It made me want to download an unknown artist's music, and listen to it. Artists like you who don't care about what their fans want, and are in it for the money only are snobs. You don't deserve to be an artist. Good to see that you blame pirates for the fact that you live on the streets, barely making it by, eating whatever you can find, not what you can afford. Oh wait. Why don't you just walk into the damned grocery store and take some food. Poor people get something to eat at the shelters. Notice the connection. NIN's free, small selection of music, the free food at the shelter. Its not good food, but it'll help you through the night.

    Wouldn't it be better to not spend all that money on the laywers? Pirates are going to pirate if you police the internet or not, you might as well save your bucks. Trust me on this one.

    I use Google to find all of my music. So you should start to sue Google I guess. Not really, but thats the principle behind the BitTorrent sites. You can't say they're the problem -- they're not responsible for how their users use the service. Its YOUR fans who are buying the music, and putting it up, and its YOUR fans who are pirating it. Quit trying to stop the impossible, and quit treating the people who raised you to your throne so high like criminals, we don't appreciate it.

    You're the scum bag.

    Regards,
    James.
    • kakihara0513, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3You're saying.... what we're all thinking!
    • weeFred, on 04/21/2008, -1/+10d) Is it good music?
      In the case of biohazard, no.
    • fagalagolopolis, on 04/21/2008, -2/+0What is it with these tl;dr responses?
      • MAGZine, on 04/22/2008, -1/+1Its more of what I sent the guy. I didn't just write that for Digg.
    • petebot, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1there is only 1 component I look for when going to purchase music: is it good?
    • dgblackout, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1i second this.
    • zongamin, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1It's amazing how people believe they can justify stealing music.
      • thtownse, on 04/22/2008, -0/+0I completely agree with you. The general argument is that everyone's doing it, so it's OK. But in fact, it is only OK if the people providing the music say it's OK. What NIN did sounds like good thinking. If Biohazard does not do that that is their business, and may cost them some fans, but it's their call.
    • solid12345, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1NIN made 1.6 million off the backs of the record industry who spent millions to promote them in the past and make them a household name.

      Admit it, if it wasn't for the labels none of you dweebs would have ever heard of NIN, Trent Reznor would just be another middle-aged guy jamming out at his local sleazy bar.
  • kurupt, on 04/21/2008, -1/+25"Finally, Evan gives us an insight into why he believes people file-share, and suggests that it’s actually ok to “steal” stuff - as long as you do it to someone who can afford it……said the 4 million record selling musician with a $30m porn empire."

    Looks like he can afford it. Too bad a lot of us don't give a ***** about his band, otherwise we might just take that advice to heart.
  • darkchild82, on 04/21/2008, -1/+39The only way people are still downloading Biohazard would be by accident. They probably thought they were getting the Japanese version of the Resident Evil games. What the hell is this douche complaining about anyway? His wife is Tera Patrick & he STILL gets to bang other women on camera.

    P.S: For the uninitiated, Biohazard is what the Resident Evil games are known in Japan.
    • grimward, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Oh damn, I'm such a nerd that it was actually my first thought too "man, biohazard, isn't it that RE in japan?"
  • dtele, on 04/21/2008, -25/+6I am really blown away by some of these comments, and by some attitudes. Where did this attitude that you can take what you want and not pay for it come from ?
    • z0mbie2099, on 04/21/2008, -3/+19I was born to pirate music, bitch.
    • Waiting2awake, on 04/21/2008, -2/+14If I like your table lamp, for example, and take your table lamp. That is theft. You will no longer have that lamp.

      What you are missing, is that no one is stealing music(Framing the argument - FTW!) . The above analogy would be I like your table lamp, so I take a photo of your lamp. You still have your lamp, and I will have a copy of your lamp.


      • cliffski, on 04/21/2008, -17/+5how ever many times dick heads like you parrot this *****, only people with 4 brain cells think that it justifies taking the proceeds of someone else's hard work for free. get a clue.
        • Lubinski, on 04/21/2008, -3/+3whoopsie, another down digg for the "non piraters"
          • grimward, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2Isn't it amazing how he repeats basically the same ***** allover this thread? I think HE lives in his mom's basement :P
      • geogeer, on 04/21/2008, -3/+4I hope that one day you have a job that depends on intellectual property, and some little butt-munch steals it and tells you, well you still have the original.
        • Solis, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1I'd be perfectly fine with it. Why make art if not to have it enjoyed? If your in art for making money, you're in it for the wrong reasons.
        • solid12345, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1"If your in art for making money, you're in it for the wrong reasons."

          Right, so doctors should work 60 hours a week for free because they should be using their skills for the good of society too right?

          I am a graphic designer and the idea I should work for other people to enjoy my creations is absurd, I have to pay my bills too.
      • neilk85, on 04/22/2008, -1/+2wow talk about an idiot. so according to your logic is an author spent years and a significant amount of money for research all in the hopes of publishing a book finally gets his work out in print. I run to borders, buy a copy, scan it page by page and post it online where millions of people can now download it for free and not pay for it....that's not theft

        dumbass logic. hey i download movies/music all the time but i know i'm doing something illegal and if i get caught, well i'm screwed and deserved it. you can't steal someone else's work and then claim the moral high ground, doesn't work that way
    • Solis, on 04/21/2008, -1/+4Let me know when something digital gets physically taken, then there will be a theft problem. As long as 1's and 0's are just getting copied though, you have no argument.
      • solid12345, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1Then by all means share your credit card number with me, it is just 0s and 1s.
  • ThePenrod, on 04/21/2008, -1/+94Who the hell is stealing Biohazard's music?
    • sodade, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5Well, I am going to do it now that I know it will piss off this douchebag. Of course, I won't actually listen to it - anybody who is still playing NY-style HC is hurting.
    • JedicodeWarrior, on 04/21/2008, -0/+8No one ... that's why he's really mad.
    • grimward, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Yes, that IS the real mystery here !
    • solid12345, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1The question is who the hell is stealing Madonna's "Hard Candy", it is the most popular audio torrent on TPB.
  • matx, on 04/21/2008, -2/+40Compare biohazards top last weeks played track with nine inch nails top last weeks played track that was released free.
    http://www.last.fm/music/Biohazard
    http://www.last.fm/music/Nine+Inch+Nails
    I don't think piracy is the problem here, it sounds like no one is listening to his music.
    • Impeller, on 04/21/2008, -3/+1You're comparison is not leveled. Youre trying to compare the true sense of music with some numbnut's idea of rock.
    • buddamus, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3NIN rock
    • aliguana, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3dugg for use of LastFM to make a point about music consumption
    • quasipolymath, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Agreed. You have to have album sales in order for illegal downloading to cut into them.
  • skidpro, on 04/21/2008, -5/+75who the **** are Biohazard? I thought it was a game on X360.......
    • n3demonic, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Ohhh that's why I thought Biohazard sounded familiar.
  • 10goto10, on 04/21/2008, -1/+16Well, I'm gonna just download all of the porn he produced, just to piss him off.
    • eviljolly, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6Make sure to seed it on TPB too, that'll really get em.
    • jax1492, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2do you really want to see him naked?
  • spearce, on 04/21/2008, -1/+21I totally downloaded Biohazard. That was Pauly Shore's pièce de résistance.
    • caramba420, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7You're thinking of BioDome. Truly a milestone in the history of American Cinema.
  • z0mbie2099, on 04/21/2008, -2/+32Who the ***** is Biohazard? These talentless generic bands have big mouths.
    • naws, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1The band who had a song about 10 years ago with a hook "Musics for your and me, not the f****** industry!"

      the talent left and joined suicide city.. this guy is a tool and clueless.. he was also on vh1's crappy reality show super group show a few years back too..
      • Goldbricker, on 04/21/2008, -0/+0Yeah it was funny watching the episode where his wife came to visit him and obviously wasn't all that into spending time with him. HAHAHA
  • geoken, on 04/21/2008, -2/+64Hey biohazard-guy-nobody-has-heard-of, post up your email address. I'll download your album, mail you a screenshot and give you the details so you can attempt to deliver the promised ass kicking.
    • cliffski, on 04/21/2008, -16/+6wow aren't you a big man
      • geoken, on 04/21/2008, -3/+8No. I'm just hoping he goes to jail and I don't ever have to hear anything from him.
        • ReverendRodger, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3There's a hole in your plan sir. You forget that the rich/celebrities don't go to jail like you and me. They might visit for a week tops, then get out for some crazy reason.

          Remember all the celebrities that got busted drunk driving? How many of them are still in prison? Or even spent more than week in prison? You try that and tell me how lenient the judge is with you. Then keep that lesson in mind as the guy from Biohazard kicks your ass* and then maybe talks to a cop for a few hours before he's getting on with his life.

          *I'd be willing to bet that the guy can't honestly kick anybody's ass, he just has a "tough guy" look but would cry the second you delivered a good punch to him.
          • riddlebox, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Reveren did you not notice the fact you said "celebrity". This status does not involve our BioHazard bassist :) You all can e-mail him, his address was posted by me. Its available on their "band" website.
      • fatlip, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7and aren't you a ***** troll

        this is your second reply i had to bury due to stupidity
    • riddlebox, on 04/21/2008, -0/+24Well he won't be able to make it to your house because of the hummer he bought, with no album sales he can't afford to put gas in it. Its truly a sad sad story....
    • EricAnderton, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2@riddlebox: Maybe he'll just send Jay & Silent Bob to goeken's house instead?
    • resevil83, on 04/21/2008, -0/+0I second that... I'll do him a favor though, I will give him a fair fight and let him go up against the little girl next door. Maybe then will he stop being such a whiny little bitch.
    • mllawso, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2Keep it civil, people:
      http://www.biohazard.com/biohazard_main.html
      evanhaz@biohazard.com
  • suzywang3000, on 04/21/2008, -0/+20Biohazard is so 1995
    • AngryRobots, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2actually 1992 - they hit big when they stole anthrax and public enemies idea for rap and metal
  • aqcarter, on 04/21/2008, -0/+28LOL, who the hell is Biohazard, must be jealous no one is downloading his music
  • Woecip, on 04/21/2008, -1/+37I only clicked the link to see if there was a chance of side boob.
  • zerodaysoon, on 04/21/2008, -11/+5how come no one is commenting on the grl standing next to him? If ppl were "stealing" my music and I had a grl like that....well u get the picture, i wouldnt give a DAMN!!! freaking douchebag

    poor grl probably doesnt get attention from him...come to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • fucknuggets, on 04/21/2008, -2/+5learn to spell you piece of *****
    • zerodaysoon, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1u've made a powerful enemy my friend....
  • NaziHatinChimp, on 04/21/2008, -2/+17DRAINAGE!!!!!!! I Drink You Milkshake! I DRINK IT UP!
    • phrenzy, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2I am a false rockstar and my talent is a superstition.
  • doctorfungi, on 04/21/2008, -1/+18If I was in a big band, download my ***** music. Just come to my shows if you like it. Hell, buy a t-shirt if you want.

    Simple.
    • cliffski, on 04/21/2008, -18/+4says someone who relies on his allowance from mommy each week. grow up and get a job before spouting this drivel on the net kid.
      • xprojects, on 04/21/2008, -1/+8Actually that's how bands really make money, troll. Do the research.
      • Hraes, on 04/21/2008, -1/+8You're an *****. Buried.
      • Protoss, on 04/21/2008, -1/+6How do you know this?
        I do this most all the time. I've went to many concerts by bands I never would have discovered w/o piracy. I've even bought their shirts!
      • fatlip, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7make that 3 comments i had to bury
      • Impeller, on 04/21/2008, -0/+34
      • doctorfungi, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1***** irony. Some immature, douche-bag retard who can't even form a coherent sentence tells me to grow up.

        Listen *****, do two seconds of research into the music industry and maybe you'll see that bands make 99% of their income from live shows and t-shirt sales.
    • eviljolly, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4People become musicians for fame and weath these days more than for the enjoyment of making the music itself.

      They have to put food on the table, so I don't expect them to do it for free, but not a 24 karat gold plate with diamond encrusted edges and a matching silverware set.

      When rappers say "bling bling", they're not talking about their love for the music. Lower the cost of CDs and maybe I'll start buying music again.
    • bbliss17, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Exactly!! File sharing helps artists!! They dont get money from selling CD's ok wait they get like 2 cents per album sold. The RIAA gets the rest! They get the money from concerts and mercandise sales! Piracy forever
  • Herostratus, on 04/21/2008, -3/+25Biohazard suxxors something awful. I have music from hundreds (if not thousands) of artists, the vast bulk of which is Punk and Metal. A lot of it I bought, the rest I downloaded. Not one single track of the whole lot is from Biohazard. It has nothing to do with bit torrent, it has to do with the fact that your bad sucks. I understand that for an "artist" (tongue in cheek) this is hard to accept, but there does indeed exist a real standard of quality in music even for Punk and Metal. For example, Judas Priest kicks some serious ass as does (did) Pantera. NOFX and Rancid both have incredible staying power. Poison and Whitesnake however suck serious amounts of *****.
    In fact, this is not even a new phenomenon. Long ago, people wrote horrors such as MacArthur Park and Hangin Tough. You see, you are not alone. You have a vast group of failed musicians from whom you too may draw pity. In fact, I would be willing to wager that you "chill" with a few of these eternal suxxorz. Just because they agree with you does not mean that you are right. And the sycophants that surround you yessing everything you seem to want to hear a yes on are so full of ***** as to rival even you.
    I could continue all day like this, however I hate to kick a guy when he is down.
    Oh yeah, and if you wanna fight me, bring it. When Im done with you I'll shove your stupid head up your stupid ass. Then I'll rock on to some more music that doesn't suck.
    • fatlip, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7i never thought i'd see someone else who liked nofx, rancid AND pantera

      you're my new friend
  • Netik09, on 04/21/2008, -0/+27No one listens to bassists anyway.
  • Vipersfate, on 04/21/2008, -3/+10Who cares about what this one bassist says? Apparently, we do not.

    I'm going to keep downloading as much as I want. When the economy isn't as *****, and I can actually afford Cd's, I'll buy them. I will not buy Cd's or any music that is just going to promote some ***** up institution to "crack down" on P2P
    • geogeer, on 04/21/2008, -2/+2Gee I cannot understand why economies get screwed up when people take whatever they want and don't pay the people who spent good money producing it. It just boggles the mind.
      • danjal, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1hey, with itunes and 99c a song.. how much cheaper do you want it?
  • kinseyincanada, on 04/21/2008, -2/+26Who the ***** is Biohazard?
  • Aggort, on 04/21/2008, -0/+11Sorry, the only damn good thing out there with the name Biohazard is the Japanese title for Resident Evil.
  • Asvetic, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6Because whatever this guy says is so important, I'm going to do what's right and bury this as LAME.
  • popnwave, on 04/21/2008, -0/+8Sounds like Lars Jr!

    (had to go there, wohhoo Metallica!)
    • laserblazer, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Haha, Lars Ulrich. That guy puts the Lars in 'dried up douchebag'.
    • fatlip, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2NAPSTER BAAAAAADDDDDDD

      i know i got my gold plated metallicock ring
  • niradg, on 04/21/2008, -2/+55http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3849971/Biohazard
    • cromulent742, on 04/21/2008, -4/+0surprised it took so long for someone to link that
    • eviljolly, on 04/21/2008, -0/+8Dugg for sticking it to the man.

      Too bad I would never listen to it.
    • BigE89, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6Notice the amount of seeders and leechers?

      Nobody even listens to Biohazard.
    • bbliss17, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2lol, that was awesome. I lol'd when I saw this comment!! great work!!
    • innocentsinner, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3I lol'd, but I'm not wasting my bandwidth on it
    • aliguana, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4But who would WANT to download it. Heavy Metal didn't die because of p2p, it died because it became boring generic crappola, combined with people like Metallica mouthing off. Everyone just went off to the nu-metal and goth-metal and rap-metal bands instead. Your sales don't go down because people pirate your music. Your sales go down because no-one wants to listen to your crap music.
    • phrenzy, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Nguyenner!
    • KingGorilla, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1wtf why would I want to download that?
    • ProjectGSX, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Id download their stuff just to piss him off.. but then they might think I actually care to listen to that crap. No thanks.
    • agimat, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1People who wants that should torrent some taste instead.
  • Calcularius, on 04/21/2008, -7/+7WHO THE ***** IS THIS LOSER?
    PLEASE! ASSAULT ME! I WANT TO SEND YOU TO JAIL!
  • ANT1138, on 04/21/2008, -0/+9Like anyone gives a ***** about what someone from biohazard has to say.