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- bCon, on 05/12/2008, -0/+18"Legislators don't often know how to evaluate these claims; as one national higher-ed lobbyist said, 'most members of Congress would not know how to download a file, legally or illegally,' so when the entertainment industry talks about piracy, lost tax revenue, and out-of-work musicians and filmmakers, they listen."
I suggest they read ars; tell your's the same:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ ... - peznex, on 05/12/2008, -0/+14GREAT idea... lets punish the people trying to make something of their lives, and country, by getting a college degree.
- whatthehell9, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6damn Series of Tubes!
- bullhead2007, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6Internet distrobution will win in the end. Online filesharing will be around for as long as we have computers with an internet connection. These media companies are freaking out because we finally have a format that will almost definitely be around for the rest of our lives, is easy and free to duplicate, and costs almost nothing to acquire. No longer will we need to repurchase things because of a crappy format, or wear and tear.
Economics is based on supply and demand right? Internet = Infinite Supply, which means the demand is variable but still can't over demand the supply, And you can always what you want for free minus what you're already paying for internet. - Jade10145, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5SOME, colleges are fighting back..At my old school they get letters from the RIAA and give up the students as quickly as they get them..
It rather sickens me that places that are supposed to be at the height of progressive thought, and questioning "the rules" feels free to sell out its student. - bullhead2007, on 05/13/2008, -0/+4It means the demand is not enough for the price, or the supply is not there. There has never been an album, DVD, or anything else to have 0 sales due to the internet sharing.
The thing is the internet makes music and movies and other forms of digital art like games so convenient and cheap to reproduce, many people who normally wouldn't even buy it anyways are the ones downloading. Then there are a lot of people like me who download an album or sometimes a game to see if it's worth buying, and if it is I buy the physical copy. Now there are just some people who like how easy and cheap it is to download what ever they want and do it just because they can.
Now I think many projects like what Trent Reznor has done, and iTunes shows that people are willing to pay for good products online if they were ever going to buy it anyways. There are also those of us who buy stuff we never would have bought had we not had access to it in the first place for free. I'm fickle about music and I refuse to buy a $12 cd for 2 singles and a bunch of filler. - dupswapdrop, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4Legislators need to go buy some of that crap that's out on CDs then they wouldn't care about this issue either.
- PopcornDave, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3If you want to change this, or at least move towards change, vote your damn grandparents out of congress and get someone in who actually understands technology.
- Ratteler, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5Remember, every penny you spend on iTunes, or any other Online store, every movie ticket you buy, every CD you purchase, puts movie into the pockets of the people pushing this legislation.
Lobbying = Treason
Piracy = Patriotism - Lazydriver, on 05/13/2008, -0/+3***** THE MPAA!
- peznex, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3I agree. I added the ", and country," and realized it made is sound strange, but the edit countdown ended. I was trying to add in "country" to make it more patriotic towards the ignorant legislators.
- jesuswuzanalien, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4The writing is on the wall but these ass-hats can't see it because they're got their hats pulled all the day down to their asses.
- davidjunit, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5NO! *****... "BIG CONTENT"?... o_O;
- hollyminkowski, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2The simple fact is that in the internet age you can have either draconian copyright laws and a police state, or freedom, not both at the same time. The rules have changed. Everyone needs to face reality and just get on with their lives.
Soon the only money to be made by content rights holders is to offer their wares as convenience purchases at low prices...easier to just pay 4$ for that new film than to download an XviD of it...etc
Art WILL survive the new age...art always survives. - Infidelcastr0, on 05/13/2008, -1/+3LOL "Big-Content" I think that's my new favorite term. But yeah, anyway, "Fornication Under Consent of the King" the "Recording Industry Association of America".
- DestroyFascism, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2Politicians understand money....not much else.
- uberamd, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2"Should any institution receive more than 50 new infringement notices, however, it will come under increased scrutiny."
When I got busted at my University, there were 12 other people at the 'do not pirate' meeting I had to attend. These meetings are held EVERY WEEK. So, based on what I calculate, in just over a month my university has about 50 notices, and thus will be under scrutiny. What happens for the 7 months of the school year? What happens when the school gets its 384th notice for the year (based on 12 a week like I witnessed)? - juliustan, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2Feeling the effects:
I ran a fairly popular DC++ hub at the University of Washington, and due to a formal complaint was forced to take it down. - reedatschool, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2"Should any institution receive more than 50 new infringement notices, however, it will come under increased scrutiny."
Since they need no real proof on any infringement notice they can send them at will. Their strategy will be to send over 50 notices to every school in the nation and then appeal to the congress to do something about it. They have all the cards and all the money in this game and college students are merely a pawn in their attempts to prop up their failing business model.
When every single RIAA executives' sons and daughters have IPODs loaded with "questionable" content it is kind of hard to buy their argument. They will litigate against other kids but not their own. Until record executives fine their own kids I have a hard time buying into their flawed rhetoric. - MoneyShot, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2They're trying to punish people for allegedly engaging in copyright infringement, not because they're seeking a college degree. There's a real debate to be had here and spitting out (or digging up) moronic logical fallacies undermines the opposing viewpoint.
- heystoopid, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1So since 2000 , they have lost well over two thirds of the entertainment market share and with this dumb ass tactic will lose another eighty percent of their pitiful remaining market they hold , leaving the field wide open for the Independent Labels to rule the roost absolutely !
These wowsers from the RIAA truly need a new brain implants and remove the fossilised ones last used some two centuries ago back in the Dickensian Era !
Lol , an entire section of the entertainment industry committing suicide by the death of 120 million plus paper cuts , now that has to be a good thing ! - Qball1974, on 05/12/2008, -3/+6Stupid old people!
- lolwutpear, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1hey, sometimes earning a degree is like punishment. ever hear of engineering?
- Ryosen, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2You're right, you're being silly.
Several years ago, I wrote a book. I was paid an advance against a percentage of the anticipated sales. The bulk of the compensation for my work, however, came from royalty payments based on the actual sales. Today, my book is still being bought by people. Should I not continue to be paid for my work? It took 6 months for me to write it, and two of those months I took off from my "day job" to work on it. I'm sure you'll find this hard to believe, but I busted my ass creating that work. Why should there be some artificial cut-off point where I no longer get to benefit from the hard effort that I put in to it, while the publisher gets to continue enjoying the fruits of my labor?
When you've created something (book, music, movie, whatever), sacrificing a good chunk of your life to create it, then you can come back and tell the rest of the world how terrible royalty payments are. Until then, shut the ***** up and let me earn a living. - Carl306, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1What rubbish is this? State funded colleges and universities are already strapped for cash due to irresponsible government spending, and now the RIAA and DMCA want colleges to foot the bill on this? It's like me demanding the state to have a security guard follow me around wherever I park my car to make sure nothing happens to it. If I want service like that, I pay for it, and I don't pass the expense on to some third party (for example, any random parking garage I park at throughout the week).
What hits hardest for me personally is that just this week, I have been attempting to apply for work study throughout the different offices on my college campus, but over half the places I've heard back from, their answer has been somewhere around the likes of "unfortunately due to funding problems, we are unable to hire any more applicants through work study at this time."
Suck it RIAA. - Khast, on 05/13/2008, -1/+2P2P = Peer to Peer. The internet is a series of computers, Peer to peer. The internet, has numerous protocols how it transmits information between said computers, the number of protocols is yet to be determined, as it is possible to program new protocols easily.
Making a law which prevents one computer from transferring to another computer, essentially would kill the internet.
P2P = the Internet
Only in the wet-dreams of the RIAA goons........ - Ratteler, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1Edit: No one should have any authority over anything unless they can prove working knowledge of the subject matter.
- xaos42, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1let's say "some" of the content needed hard work :> the P2P scene and all the other ways of filesharing doesn't really harm the developers/publishers/needed staff as far as i know from reading all this news and seeing the stats of money flowing out to them. I myself only download stuff if I don't have the money.
As soon as I'm rich I will buy everything I use, /sarcasm IF I know the developers doing the hard work get the money.
Currently as a student I don't really care in all honesty :). - Reddog_x2000, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1I'm not quite sure this can fly. P2P sharing would seem to fall under the category of interstate commerce. Only the Federal government can regulate that.
- OmegaWolf, on 05/13/2008, -1/+3No one over 40 should have any authority over Internet-related stuff unless they can prove working knowledge of the medium. Series of tubes, indeed!
A nation of corporations, by corporations and for corporations. Rutherford B. Hayes saw it coming 130 years ago. - Baderade, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1Hardly. In many cases they're requiring campuses to put ludicrous ideas on network control into practice, with the penalty of loss of federal funding should they 'fail'. Failure being defined as X notices per X period of time. It varies, so I'll leave it generic.
Suggesting that students have to pay extra to the college if they do whatever and are convicted is not there, its simply a blind threat to colleges. - reedatschool, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3I used to flop burgers, should I get royalties for someone famous who eats the food I prepared and then makes a music video?
I know this is a bit silly, but my point is you get paid for the work you do, not for sitting on your ass. I am sick of royalties for the rich while the working class eeks out a miserable existence. ***** royalties and the lazy bastards who thought up the idea, if your not making new stuff then get the ***** off the stage and stop expecting to be rich for your repetitious one-hit wonder. - Niteryder, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1P2P is one the best new concept technologies which the RIAA could not rip off to enrich themselves. There should be further innovation and expanded use everywhere on this.
- Ryosen, on 05/13/2008, -1/+3Economics is not about supply and demand so much as it follows this formula:
Product = (Supply / Demand) * Sales
Guess what happens to Product when Sales equals 0? - reedatschool, on 05/13/2008, -1/+1Million sacrifice their whole lives to provide you the food you ate while you were writing a book sitting on your fat ass. Shouldn't they be fairly compensated?
You elitist attitude betrays the fact you only give a ***** about yourself and your made-up book sales. Granted, when you create something you should be fairly compensated for it. You should not be given a silver spoon to shove up your ass and your kids which is the point of my rant (as the plane flies over your head).
Why should their be a cut-off point? Simple economics, we are all competing with your royalties which reduces the value of our work. You keep getting paid for a job you already did and you want it to last forever. This is typical selfishness and I see nothing in your post which makes me think you deserve even a penny for your work. A real artist writes a books to share with everyone to promote our culture first and make money second.
You have bought into the idea that your "owed" something for a few months of hard work. Here is a message, people are working a hell of a lot harder than you and they get NO ROYALTIES at all and without their work you could have never written your book in the first place.
Grow up and write another book jackass and this time learn about negotiation if you didn't like the deal you got last time. - vdogg89, on 05/15/2008, -0/+0true
- Genma, on 05/13/2008, -1/+1record companies used to think, how can that equation make us the most money? their solution was, we're going to sell you 2 singles and a bunch of filler, and there's nothing you can do about it. want to buy the sinigles seperately? then you're going to have to pay the price of the whole album for just 2 songs. plastic and store shelves cost money and so do artists! so we'll rape all of them including you to make our money.
so the internet punushed them with a way to erase them from existence. it also gave artists a new way to distribute their music, and stores a new place to sell their products. everybody can now make more money, and the internet loves us all. except the record companies, they can burn in hell. - IsmailOo, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1thats such *****, why are they aloud to do this *****.. ***** the RIAA. I hope you read this!
- anillop, on 05/12/2008, -3/+1Thank you for contributing so much to the discussion with your well thought out comments. You sir should be on some sort of debate team.
- chrisaug18, on 05/12/2008, -7/+3Whats with all the negative comments...I mean, people actually worked hard on lots of that content that is being illegally downloaded and do deserve royalties. But, until they can figure out a way to enforce that without invading my privacy I am going to continue downloading.
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