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- nedzalife, on 05/24/2008, -3/+98Bell has become the Comcast of Canada...
- hamburgers, on 05/24/2008, -4/+68***** Bell!
http://netneutralityrally.ca/ - AvangionQ, on 05/24/2008, -1/+55"The claim that there is not enough bandwidth to go round is suspicious to say the least, and Bell's response to this data crisis is even more puzzling. Instead of investing money in their network capacity, they simply slow down the connections of their subscribers while ignoring the source of the problem. To top it off, Bell decided to launch a competing video download service. So while they throttle customers using the efficient BitTorrent protocol because they supposedly generate too much traffic, Bell launches a bandwidth-hogging download store of their own. Not only does this seem unfair to their own customers, it also negatively affects other video services that base their business model on BitTorrent." ... this is the height of hypocrisy at the ISP's and evidence made plain as day that Net Neutrality is a good idea which needs to be fought for and supported ...
- Ebeniz, on 05/24/2008, -0/+36My service provider techsavvy.ca (a bell reseller) is attending a rally for net neutrality on May 27th 2008. it's nice to know a little reseller is fighting this hard for my service!!!!
On Tuesday, May 27th 2008, the TekSavvy staff will be at a rally on Parliament Hill, Ottawa, in the name of Net Neutrality, fighting for your Internet and Privacy rights. Therefore, we hope you will only make calls to the office if you believe it to be an emergency as this would greatly help us properly manage your needs. Staff will be on hand to ensure minimal to no delays to product activations and/or trouble tickets experienced due to this event.
We thank you in advance for your understanding and support.
If you wish to learn more about Net Neutrality or wish to join us in Ottawa please go to the following link.
www.netneutralityrally.ca
TekSavvy Ownership - Akraz, on 05/24/2008, -1/+23I hate bell so much. I used their internet for 3 months then i went back to Roger's... its not like it's any better but at least right now im DLing torrents at least 100kbps or more.. with bell it never exceeded 5. That really pissed me off. Im really starting to despise all canadian ISPs. Its not fair that Roger's pretty much bought out Toronto/Mississauga so no other cable provider is allowed to sell there. ***** monopoly FTL..
- andymci, on 05/24/2008, -1/+22Bell is a freakin' joke... after getting my own place, I quickly ditched them in favour of Cogeco. Bell's policies, practices, customer service and entire method of business is absolutely ridiculous. Hell, even after you drop out of their service they won't leave you alone. I get phonecalls from them, junk mail from them, everything, even though I've told them that I'm not interested in going back to the beavers.
It doesn't surprise me that they're abusing their restriction of your bought-and-paid-for internet connection in order to promote their own little movie service. Ugh. - Clugenheim, on 05/24/2008, -3/+23*****... BELL?!
- xyphur, on 05/24/2008, -0/+19I was a loyal customer of Bell's for over 6 years straight, over two of which were spent paying for their Ultra service. When the throttling started to affect me, I did exactly what needed to be done. I cancelled.
They are singling out BitTorrent users as high-volume bandwidth abusers. The problem with this is that it is still completely possible for anyone to saturate their connection in many other ways. According to their reasoning, in such a case I would still be considered a bandwidth abuser, yet I am not being throttled because I just happen to be using the HTTP/FTP protocols instead? *****! The real reason why they throttle BitTorrent traffic is because pressure has been put on them to severely limit that which is enabling people to transfer questionable content. NOT because it's inherent efficiency is impeding on their network capacity. Do not believe their lies!
If you think they're rat-bastards for limiting your use of your paid connection, do the right thing and stop paying them. Would you pay someone if they only half-cut your lawn? Or only partially fixed the brakes on your car? Of course not! So why should you pay for a service that isn't working as advertised? "Unlimited" should mean unlimited, not "Unlimited, until you start transferring stuff using BitTorrent, at which time we're gonna slow it to a crawl, just because."
...***** Bell. - supermanred, on 05/24/2008, -4/+20Just managed to sign up for the Bell video store and I can confirm:
Mac Users:
We Apologize,the Bell Video Store media player is currently only compatible with Windows XP and Vista as it uses
Microsoft technology (Windows Media Player and Microsoft DRM).
We are working to find a solution to enable you to also enjoy downloads in the future.
FIND A SOLUTION????!!!
HOW ABOUT NOT USING A ***** MEDIA PLAYER AND JUST ***** SELL ME A GOD DAMNED MP3 OR AN MPEG or a For ***** sake god damn ***** ***** file without some ***** up DRM on it! - sebicas, on 05/24/2008, -2/+17With your help, we can let the government know of the publis level of support for Net Neutrality in Canada. This petition follows a digital format, though plans are in the works for a petition that is compatible with the House of Commons petitioning rules. By signing this petition you are indicating your support for Net Neutrality.
Sign The Petition
http://www.neutrality.ca/index.php?option=com_perf ...
For more information please visit http://www.neutrality.ca
P.S. Please tell everybody you know about this! - bman1984, on 05/24/2008, -1/+15It's called return on investment.
Option 1: Invest money into existing network to increase capacity and improve investment. ROI = little to none, customers are already paying their bills
Option 2: Invest money in a POS online video store that generates income for the company. ROI = high
It's disgusting watching these ISP's do this. Here is another example of the greed of ISPs. I live 15 ( 30 km ) minutes from the capital of NB in Canada. The only ISP around still doesn't offer high speed at my residence. They claim it would cost too much to bring high speed to my community. The fact is, is that while it would profit them, it just would not profit them as much as other investments.
My point: ***** Bell - SemiSarcastic, on 05/24/2008, -1/+15OH MY GOD HE'S GOT A GUN!
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -1/+12What's a T-shirt with "torrentfreak" on it got to do with Bell throttling BitTorrent traffic? At least try to make the product placement inconspicuous.
- Suricou, on 05/24/2008, -1/+9How long before the download store gets DDoSed in protest?
- SuicideMouse, on 05/24/2008, -0/+8I hate bell but I'm at a loss as to how they handle throttling. Sometimes I max out at 20kbs on every torrent, others at 30 or 40, then some days I'm hitting +500-600kbs... I don't get it. Is there a method to this madness?
- inactive, on 05/24/2008, -0/+8***** Bell and ***** Rogers... both of them are ***** ISP's, at least Rogers doesn't cap bittorrents but still they cap bandwidth now so I can only download 60GB a month. I am switching ISP's in the next month or so.
- dannyboy3020, on 05/24/2008, -1/+9I'm not taking any chances!
- Akraz, on 05/24/2008, -0/+7Ive also heard Bell is now controlling teksavvy and throttling also. I could of heard wrong tho.
- JohnClay, on 05/24/2008, -0/+7They aren't reselling a white-label Bell service. TekSavvy provides all of their own routing equipment and peering connections, entirely separate of Bell. TekSavvy only uses Bell's DSLAM equipment. Sadly, Bell is throttling at the DSLAM level.
TekSavvy has spent tens of thousands of dollars upgrading their capacity to meet their customers demands, including adding multiple Gig-E links from Bell. - supermanred, on 05/24/2008, -5/+12Being Canadian, and a bell sympatico DSL customer I have to give my review of their online Video store. Seeing as I love iTunes and bittorrent and use BOTH to download movies and tv shows (mostly bittorrent because iTunes doesnt carry US or UK shows in it's Canada store...I would LOVE to have another legal online option where I can quickly find and download/stream a video.
Let's see... Ummm, can't even connect to the web site.
I have to give it a 0/10
Make that a 0/100
EDIT: Finally made it to the front page of the bell video store web site. Cant go to any other pages (it just hangs).... as far as I can tell there is no mention of Mac or Linux compatibility.
ULTRA FAIL
Fail. - RyVal, on 05/24/2008, -0/+6The scary thing is, once Rogers does it...what do we do? Damn barriers to competition. It's brutal. Cell phones, internet, TV - all the things I love are monopolized.
- Topher06, on 05/24/2008, -1/+7No, its a shame that most Canadian's are passive agressive wimps that allow our government and big corporations to walk all over us as we smile and say "Thank you sir, can I have some more".
As a Canadian I can safely say we are about 10 years behind in communications technology simply because we all love our $100 antiquated cable services and expensive cellphone plans and choose to remain ignorant (or quietly outraged) while the rest of the world is adopting things like cheap fiber optic services, lighting fast Internet, open digital cable standards, and flat-rate cellphone plans used instead of landlines.
Bell and Roger's hold our country ransom charging excessively for products and services that are outdated, yet claim they are innovators in this industry. They stalwart or prevent new technologies coming into this country and they firmly hold the CRTC at bay by digging into their very deep pockets.
I am not a hater of big corporations just for the purpose of hating them. I don't care how much a product costs, but give me the newest, latest and greatest technology. Rogers has been handing out the same PVR's and Digital cable boxes for over 10 year and they are junk compared to Tivo and other services available in the US. Bell keeps raising the cost of land-line services simply because they don't know how to compete against cell and Internet services encroaching into traditional telecommunications. Why should it cost up to $80/mth simply to have a land-line? They can do this because they are holding on to a monopoly in spite of CRTC de-regulation in this industry. There is no real competition (not when the competition has to lease communication from Roger's or Bell), so there is no real need to bring the latest technology into this country, or to offer existing products and services for cheaper.
Yet Canadian's just exhibit passive aggressive b*tching against these companies while they dole out hundreds in dollars a month for sh*tty services compared to the rest of the world. I stopped being a Bell customer over 5 years ago by using VOIP, yet they still screw me because of bandwidth throttling on my 3rd party ISP. I left Roger's for cable Internet services because they were throttling as well. I have been slowing weening myself off of Roger's cable, recognizing that I can either buy, rent, or yes, download TV shows online, but now I can't even do that because of Bell (and I am sure Roger's applauds the effort).
To sue a large corporation is not about money its about getting enough people fired up and angered over these companies. Class action lawsuits are powerful forces to be reckoned with and rarely cost the plaintiffs a lot of money ( a million people suing Bell is not costly ); the problem in Canada is that they are impotent because not enough people rise up to take down these large corporations. Many Canadian's just think they are getting good products and services for excellent value. Just scan this thread and you will see people saying "I don't know whats wrong with Bell, I am getting good service, eh!" Canadian's need to wake up and realize these companies are not offering the best products, services and prices we can get and they are illegally crippling any competition in this country. But until some large massive class action lawsuit is launched against these companies then nothing will change. We need a Canadian Johnny Cochran - Topher06, on 05/24/2008, -0/+6To top it off, I ain't paying $20 for some DRM crippled downloadable movie when I can go to the Roger's Video store and get the used DVD for $8.99.
- impei, on 05/24/2008, -0/+6As far as I can tell it is only throttled from ~4:30pm - 2:00am EDT.
- oxymoron69, on 05/24/2008, -0/+6where do you get this *****... ***** retard.
It throttles everything that isn't whitelisted by Bell already. Obviously you don' t have dsl through bell or an alternate DSL carrier.
Everything is throttled except whatever Bell deems acceptable ie; Xbox Live, VPN connections HTTP/ftp/NNTP is okay.
Encrypted BT traffic is VERY throttled.
30K/s during the day.
you'd think being from U of T, you'd be smarter. - SlideMTL, on 05/24/2008, -0/+6Anyone else find it strange that Bell just released their 'video download' service in which we can download movies for 5$ for 24hrs or download to own for 20$???
They cant push the movies without cutting back somewhere on bandwith?? - supermanred, on 05/24/2008, -3/+9Wow, seriously has anyone actually tried the bell video store? It's completely useless. And it's 2:52 AM here in Toronto. I can't even imagine trying to use it during a "prime" television/video watching hour.
Bell, you have failed. Big time. Why can't anyone in the industry just look at iTunes and copy it...I mean, it is the leader after all and it ***** works. What is it with all these failure web stores? At least if you are going to make your video store a web site make sure you can handle the ***** server load of new visitors lining up to give you money. AND MAKE IT WORK WITH ITUNES so I can still put it on my ***** iPod or stream it over to my Xbox 360 or whatever the hell else I am doing right now with iTunes (AMAZON gets it and your AMAZON mp3s are inserted right into iTunes upon download using their helper app)
ARGHHHHFHGHGHGHGH!!
Back to ***** Piratebay. It's easier to use, the web site loads quicker and its God-damned free. - makkaveli19, on 05/24/2008, -1/+6How's shaw's reputation? anyone know?
- dualboy24, on 05/24/2008, -0/+5I can confirm that you heard right Bell is controlling all of us small ISPs Teksavvy too. Still 95% of the users do not know or realize the throttling is happening so not too many calls or complaints.
- oxymoron69, on 05/24/2008, -0/+5For all you that're chewing about Bell...
Teksavvy solutions has setup MLPPP on our connections.
There is a way around this throttle, via either single link or bonded line MLPPP.
For info, check out the Teksavvy forums on DSLreports.com
There's some smart people doing some great work in there. - Topher06, on 05/24/2008, -0/+5I hate people that defend Bell. Wake up. I don't even use Bell's service but the 3rd party ISP was delivering torrent content at a consistent 400kb/s always until Bell's throttling and now I get 25kb/s. What is worse is that it is legit content that is being throttled too which I cannot tolerate. On two occasions over the last year, Bell forced my service to run at 2.5 mbps instead of the 5 mbps I subscribed to. My ISP had to put work orders into Bell to get the service unlocked back to 5 mbps which took weeks. I have had friends lose Internet access for weeks simply because Bell technicians physically disconnected them from the "hub" for no good reason other then incompitance. These are blatant criminal monopolizing anti-competitive acts and they need to be taken down. The CRTC needs to wake up and realize that the whole point of de-regulating communications in this country was to prevent monopolies and encourage competition. Bell is the mob, granting access to their services but then crippling all the competition. You might get good download speeds, but when Bell f*cks everyone else don't go on Digg defending them, it makes you sound like a A-class ignorant f*ckwad.
- smacksaw, on 05/24/2008, -1/+6It's a shame that it's so difficult and costly to sue in Canada.
- t1t0, on 05/24/2008, -1/+5It. Doesn't. Work. Believe me, I tried. 30k/s, encypted.
Even if you copy/paste your message one more time, it still won''t work. - aggies11, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4Didn't Comcast just suggest a 250GB monthly cap? That's way better then Rogers and Bell's caps. With my family discovering CTV online streaming video of it's television shows, it's not just Bittorrent that eats up bandwidth anymore.
- heystoopid, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4So the question becomes now , what is exactly is in the header and stop codes in each separate parcel sent required to bypass the deliberate throttling of paid for bandwidth ?
- PunishBell, on 05/24/2008, -1/+5Just a thought I had. What if users started to punish bell for their behavior. And I mean hit them where it hurts. If they want to throttle BT traffic why not choke up the http pipes a little,
I don't know if this would be effective but what if users installed a simple webserver on their home computer and hosted a copy of ubuntu to share via http
We could then setup a domain called punishbellcanada.com (or something)
Users of bell could then post urls to their own IP addresses with the path to the file
eg
11.22.33.44/Ubuntu.iso
on the site and other users could downlod directly from them For the sole purpose of burning up bell's bandwidth and choking the network.
Would that have any chance of being effective. I realize it wouldn't cost them any money really if file were only being downloaded by other bell customers but maybe we could do a cross promotion bell/comcast
Bell users would choke comcast and comcast would choke bell.
Solidarity - Scheissen, on 05/24/2008, -2/+6This liberal will be about socializing the cables...I mean having the government take over the lines.
- DestroyFascism, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3Someone need to stand up for BT and sue that bastards for discrimination of technology
- AMailer, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3Because there are very very very little choices for most people here. If you want to go DSL, you will end up using a bell line either way since they have complete monopoly over that- and guess what, they throttle third party isps too :P
- kiderjones, on 05/24/2008, -2/+5http://www.execulink.ca for Southern Ontario... I've been with these guys since 1998 (10 years!) and still going strong on DSL. 400+k where I live and they're using bell lines! woot!
- Fozefy, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3I was going to say the same thing, but I think Akraz is right. I've heard that since Bell also owns all the lines they are able to throttle everyone.
I'm currently rural and have to use xplornet...which is also pretty bad, but its the only DSL I can get, so I guess I have to live with it. Though I'm moving into Hamilton for school and I've been looking into regular DSL/Cable services. If anyone knows of a good service in the area please let me know. - Wingnut233, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3That might not work. For example, Rogers gets around the encryption loophole by just throttling all encrypted traffic. On the other hand, Cogeco has turned out just fine for me, and to the best of my knowledge, they're not throttling my torrents.
- BinaryFragger, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3Easier said than done.
In many parts of Canada (including my city), your options are:
Bell = throttled
Rogers = throttled
Bell reseller = throttled (forced by Bell) - canuck10101, on 05/24/2008, -1/+4So you're saying that it is my responsibility to not use the the service I pay for because Bell does not want to invest into more bandwidth? Maybe, don't you think, it is the advertiser and provider of the service that should be reponsible for providing what they advertise and "guarantee"?
Regards,
1.5mbps on a "7mbps" Bell connection - ChileanGoD, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3In total honesty.... you guys are not all bitching about not getting the last Linux distro fast enough... aren't ya? :) Don't get me wrong... I'm bitching about it too.
- TritonX, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3encyption doesn't work anymore because they are doing deep inspection of the packets. The only things I heard that would work is a vpn tunnel or something like that, but usually you have to pay for this service.
- Stevethegreat, on 05/24/2008, -1/+4No probl, in a free society with a free economy, people are smart enough to know that they're ***** and consequently they would abandon any leeching ISP, that's exactly why free markets work. In an interventionist economy the government will hold the said company on the foam by legal or illegal terms and customers will be ***** anyways.
My message is ***** Bell, stop paying their almighty asses and see how they will change policy.... - antifreeze11, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3Bell also has pathetic download caps for new customers. Only people with "unlimited" had it grandfathered in.
- darkamster07, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3"people are smart enough to know that they're *****"
I disagree - diablozx9, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3They always seemed to prefer Microsoft but since their partnership with Microsoft was
established, their customer service (serving the customer not just Microsoft customer)
was lost. -
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