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- Murdats, on 07/31/2008, -1/+70This is great, if the music industry loses as much money over piracy as they claim they do, then why would members of the industry do this?
it seems the industry is trying to have its cake and eat it too, they leak their own stuff and then cry "oh look we are so popular that people just wont stop stealing our music" in an effort to build the image that they are popular, so after making money off people who buy the music, they make some more money by turning around and suing them.
It seems the industry realises that bit torrent is a powerful marketing tool, it would just be nice if they didn't keep chewing on the hand that keeps feeding them, its getting pretty old and mouldy by now - AronT, on 07/31/2008, -0/+64So does this mean the RIAA has to sue... itself?
- kurupttek, on 07/31/2008, -0/+42THe Band Manager replied to an email and surprisingly enough his IP-address was the same as the uploader.
HA! - bigsteve, on 07/31/2008, -0/+36The biggest mistake made by Buck Cherry would be their thinking that anyone gives a rat's ass about them.
- EricSchC1, on 07/31/2008, -0/+29A horrible band that wishes they were a corn kernel in Guns 'N Roses collective stool.
- axerage, on 07/31/2008, -1/+27Wow...some pretty impressive detective work there! It just goes to show that the industry has no idea what to do. They use the technology while slamming it at the same time. I love the fact that the manager has been named. Maybe the public embarrassment will teach him something. (but I doubt it)
- dillibob, on 07/31/2008, -0/+26a terrible terrible band
- funchords, on 07/31/2008, -0/+22I haven't worked on this more than a few minutes, but this is huge news and a real blow to RIAA and its legal strategies with regards to filesharing.
Atlantic Records is a RIAA member. Atlantic might be able to claim innocence that it was just acting as a foundry for "10th Street Entertainment," the artists agent, but it is not. The record label is also promoting the band http://www.atlanticrecords.com/buckcherry which means to me that Atlantic Records shares some vicarious responsibility for Josh Klemme's actions. In other words, Atlantic has an interest and a responsibility to supervise what Josh Klemme does, and the RIAA has an interest and a responsibility to supervise what Atlantic does.
I don't know if there are any subsidiary-type connections between "10th Street Entertainment" and "Atlantic Records" but if there are, that could tie this up tight!
Great investigation, guys! - inactive, on 07/31/2008, -3/+24Nice try, Buckcherry. You'd have to pay me, per ear, to get me even remotely interested in that filth.
- ElChapusero, on 07/31/2008, -0/+20What's a BuckCherry?
- ninjaskimo, on 07/31/2008, -0/+19& it can go screw itself too.
- dmerc, on 07/31/2008, -1/+20Lol, no they aren't.
- Coffeedemon, on 07/31/2008, -2/+17He manages BuckCherry. Should be embarrassment enough.
- BXRWXR, on 07/31/2008, -1/+15Real bands don't need shenanigans to promote their music.
Buckin' Cherry Sucks! - omgsideburns, on 07/31/2008, -2/+16Who cares? That band is ***** terrible. If you downloaded it you're a moron.
- saboola, on 07/31/2008, -0/+10Who? Crunchberry? Damn you Cap'n Crunch! Filthy pirate!
- AttilaD, on 07/31/2008, -0/+7In this case they're using the press as the marketing tool.
- saunders45, on 07/31/2008, -1/+8BuckCherry sux....
- ShoggothDreams, on 07/31/2008, -1/+8This is as bad as when the BBC tried the exact same trick with the re-start of Doctor Who. They also got exposed, when the ad firm that had coordinated the leak realized that it's a crime to start a crminal investigation into something that one KNOWS is not a crime. Not wanting to be accomplices, they came clean and laid out all the details. The BBC never admitted, just quietly sai that they were ending any formal investigation, and only investigating "in house". Sadly, though it was big news when it happened, now when you read any articles such as Wikipedia, it's just corporate spin. :( That will no doubt happen here, too.
- WiretapStudios, on 07/31/2008, -1/+8Irregardless isn't a word. And no, taste is no factor in this, it's a fact that Buckcherry sucks.
- Pittance, on 07/31/2008, -0/+7Can the RIAA sue Atlantic for pirating the work? I think that would be a great case.
Damn, AronT beat me to it. - damonic, on 07/31/2008, -1/+7Who the ***** is BuckCherry and does anyone even care?
- RegalBegal, on 07/31/2008, -1/+7Who the ***** wants a BuckCherry album?
- Ouze, on 07/31/2008, -0/+6who could have seen this coming, upon reading the original story?
Oh wait. Pretty much everyone. - DeadBabyFloat, on 07/31/2008, -3/+9People who listen to Buck Cherry don't know how to use torrents.
- mofw, on 08/01/2008, -0/+5Anyone else a little bothered by this:
"A BitTorrent site insider was kind enough to help us out, because BitTorrent is not supposed to be “abused” like this, and confirmed that the IP of one of the early seeders did indeed belong to the person who uploaded the torrent file."
I mean we're all pissed about the telecom industry handing over info when it shouldn't... - Murdats, on 07/31/2008, -0/+5yes, but they are doing it by biting the hand that feeds them in order to gain a certain reputation for popularity, instead of a more honest method of plain advertisement.
what I wonder is how much of these 'losses' the industry claims is not just 'advertising budget we will recover through lawsuits' - Coffeedemon, on 07/31/2008, -0/+5Probably the guy I saw dancing at a bar when I was in Halifax. First time I have ever seen a popped collar on a sport jacket. We didn't get to laugh at him for long because they threw his stupid ass out when he tried to get on stage (to be seen, no doubt). ...tool
- skoles, on 07/31/2008, -0/+5I would think that ANY early release of an album or movie (screener) would come from an inside person.
The MPAA/RIAA need to acknowledge they are the source of their own problem and not attack the fans. - Chirp08, on 07/31/2008, -0/+4Buckcherry should sue the RIAA, that would be interesting.
- TrevorBelmont, on 07/31/2008, -0/+4Well I'm never gonna buy their music, those liars!
Actually, that wasn't gonna happen anyway. They sound like sweat. - chrisinsocalif, on 07/31/2008, -1/+5Arrrrg! Them thar dirty pirates!
- kirado4, on 07/31/2008, -0/+4mmmh RIAA members seeding there OWN music.. so they can sue people for profit??
- yaddayaddayoda, on 07/31/2008, -0/+3I blame ninjas, not pirates.
- inactive, on 07/31/2008, -2/+5Posting your own ***** and then complaining?!
Ha ha, Crazy Bitch... - mojoel, on 07/31/2008, -1/+4Only dying pirates say "Arrrrrg."
- colasrtney, on 07/31/2008, -0/+3Today the internet reminded me that Buckcherry still exists. Thank you internet.
- evaburrito, on 07/31/2008, -0/+3I hope they feel incredible dumb right now. They flattered themselves thinking anyone would even give a ***** enough to leak their precious track.
- aliguana, on 07/31/2008, -3/+51) Record Album
2) "Leak" album to Bit-torrent
3) Sue anyone who downloads it
4) Get loads of publicity and sell more albums
5) Profit!
6) Get busted
7) Not sell any albums because you're devious *****
8) Get sued by the RIAA
9) Rehab! - artfiend77, on 07/31/2008, -0/+2Looks like they wanted the best of both worlds: The power of good publicity via torrents and the ability to sue anyone who download their music. Who knows how many other artists and bands have done this then had the balls to complain?
***** em, ***** em all I say. they just screwed themselves over BIGTIME. I'd love to show them a disappearing pencil trick. - FredFredrickson, on 07/31/2008, -1/+3Why don't they just admit that releasing tracks on the internet is good for marketing and move on?
See, the music industry has backed themselves into a corner. They took such a hard stance against piracy that now they can't admit that releasing a track or two to the net before a release is actually a good idea. - Tabris, on 07/31/2008, -0/+2The fact that they're not police officers means it's not entrapment.
- kratsnitram, on 07/31/2008, -0/+2Who?
- littlefuzz, on 08/01/2008, -0/+1I'm pretty sure it's 'Buckcherry'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckcherry - ISurfTooMuch, on 08/01/2008, -0/+1I don't see a problem with it as long as no one ever gets sued for distributing that track. Since the band originally placed it out there, it hasn't been pirated, so, IMHO, it's free to share.
- brandice, on 08/03/2008, -0/+1Band manager = epic fail. What a moron...
- ISurfTooMuch, on 08/01/2008, -0/+1And you think the band doesn't share some complicity here? They have plenty to gain if releasing the song increases CD sales. And besides, the manager works for them, so they, as his employers, are responsible for his actions.
- tempusrob, on 07/31/2008, -3/+4But ... I thought IP addresses weren't sufficient evidence to identify a person?
- petebot, on 07/31/2008, -0/+1F Buckcherry. If you want real rock and roll, listen to Turbonegro (especially Apocalypse Dudes or Scandinavian Leather).
- 11oops, on 08/01/2008, -0/+1Oh really?
From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Irregard ...
"Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose." -
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