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- Salgat, on 10/12/2007, -43/+551Unfortunately(or fortunately) theres almost no reason to pay hundreds of dollars for Vista, when what it offers leaves little to be desired. Whats funny is pretty much every feature "unique" to Vista exists as a 3rd party app for XP or exists as a better version on Linux. Sorry Balmer, but people won't pay for an overhyped piece of useless garbage.
- retral, on 10/12/2007, -24/+480Did they not claim it was uncrackable?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+361My college has access to the MS Academic Alliance, which means that for the simple process of filling out a registration form, we can get Vista for free. However, I don't know of a single person that uses Vista. Sure, a few have installed it, but they just go right back to XP. Everybody just seems to be waiting for SP1, when stuff will actually work, and programs will be compatible.
It isn't piracy, it's just desirability. - DurkaMcDurk, on 10/12/2007, -32/+338sure it's "great", but when it uses 450 mb of ram just sitting there running anything other than system processes I dont think it's completely ready for everyone.
- _HAM_, on 10/12/2007, -17/+321Its as simple as this:
I dont have a single reason to upgrade.
XP SP2 is just fine. DX10 and Games? I have an PS2, GameCube, DS, Wii, and a 360.
Right now I can run Firefox, putty, winscp, Visual Studio, iTunes, Media player, photoshop, etc.. etc..
I'll upgrade when Vista SP2 comes out... maybe.
I could get Vista now through my school for free... but why? - jrsims, on 10/12/2007, -10/+308Wasn't piracy one of the things Vista's irritating security model was supposed to fix?
- portis, on 10/12/2007, -28/+280Who actually pirated vista? No one, that's who. Pirates don't even want to bother with it.
- blaze03, on 10/12/2007, -18/+260POLL: Has your company converted to Vista from XP yet?
I'll start:
No - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -63/+289Just like there are marketing whore Micro$laves who absolutely refuse to allow a shred of truth about Vista's deep ingrained DRM to come to light, and refuse to consider that the general public has no need or desire to purchase a DRM cop when XP still does MORE!
- grendel, on 10/12/2007, -7/+138blame the price tag.
- sparks2, on 10/12/2007, -25/+154Vista has poor sales because some people (like me) have no interest in switching whatsoever. I have XP and i'm happy with it (ok... maybe I hate it but its good for what I use it for). I've got a mac that runs XP and OS X flawlessly and I am happy with both. There isn't a single thing in Vista that makes me want to have it. Even if you gave it to me for free I wouldn't use it, i've got no need for it.
- Agret, on 10/12/2007, -12/+129As a pirate i'm offended that Ballmer would even hint towards me wanting Vista.
Since I can get it for free and I still don't want it, what does this say about his product?
As for people toting BitTorrent sources, I warezd it when it hit RTM as there was hype about it, I had it installed for 3 days and then went back to XP. I honestly can't see why people would want it. - doctechnical, on 10/12/2007, -9/+109FTA: "Microsoft may 'dial up' the intensity of antipiracy technology baked into Windows Vista as part of an effort to squeeze more revenue emerging markets"
That's a brilliant way to market your product there - point out that it's full of logic bombs that'll disable your system if it thinks it's not 100% Gen-U-Wine. And given Window's track record of reliability we know that this code would never make a mistake, or be hijacked by malware.
It's like a car salesman pointing out that the car won't start if it thinks you're late on a payment. You say that's a *feature*? Err, no thanks. - subterfu9e, on 10/12/2007, -4/+95Excuse me but why do I need vista ?
- cderry, on 10/12/2007, -3/+86You know who I blame?
Developers
Developers
Developers
Developers - Fordi, on 10/12/2007, -17/+93Vista will be ready at SP2, like most Windows versions.
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -6/+82It's not FUD, it's practicality.
Why upgrade to Vista if XP is working for you now? There is not compelling reason.
Most businesses won't upgrade for a few years
Most people won't upgrade till they buy a new PC.
Vista is selling fine. Blaming "pirates" as the reason you're not hitting the piggish/unrealistic sales goals you set is just ridiculous. - dugg3r, on 10/12/2007, -5/+76ROFLMA! Didn't they (Gates and lame ass Ballmer) went on record saying that Vista is uncrackable - or it's got some sorry ass antipiracy proctection on it??
- Lixie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+71I'll get dugg down for this: I would blame the 1GB memory requirement. People like me with old computers don't even meet that requirement.
- krux, on 10/12/2007, -8/+73hmmm... funny because I don't know anyone who's actually pirated it, or even has any desire to do so unless forced to. Everyone I know who usually pirates software is either sticking with XP, or switching to a Mac.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+71No idea about America, but I feel that a lot of people in the UK believe that Microsoft are trying to rip them off (as the price is doubled over here).
I wouldn't mind that too much as long as I could buy OEM and not have to worry about upgrading my PC. However, it now seems that Microsoft are forcing us to stop this practice.
Give us a fair price over here, and we'll buy your software! - coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -4/+60Comfort. After a few hours of gaming on Vista you'll go back to XP or Linux install and it'll feel like you've just bought a whole new computer. It's a good feeling.
- gothicx00, on 10/12/2007, -7/+61@Junkyarddawg
To be perfectly honest, your comment has flaws. Most pirates pirate something like Vista because they can. And of those pirates, how many of them would by it if there was no other option? I venture to guess far less than 1% How many people would buy a legit copy after using it and seeing value in it? Well to be honest that is the whole point behind shareware or donationware. Demos work on the same concept. Would you buy a pair of shoes, sight unseen, just based on size? No, you want to give it a try first. Does this make a good argument for piracy? No, the fact is it is still illegal. But those people who are pirating, more than likely wouldn't buy it to begin with if given no other option. - mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -14/+67"Where's the 3rd party app for the new memory-management and caching code in the Vista kernel?"
Considering how Vista eats up memory while doing nothing, who the ***** would want that? No wonder no one has made an app for XP that does the same thing. That's like buying a hammer to bash yourself in the head with (maybe after a few hits Vista would seem like a good idea).
Sorry, Steve, I don't buy your "blame the pirates" BS. Vista does not interest me and I'm not pirating it either. Give me a free copy and I'll see if I can sell it to some poor sucker. I just don't want it, period. - Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -6/+53I do love the "I pirated it but I didn't inhale" comments.
- highwebl, on 10/12/2007, -6/+52We have an enterprise license, so I upgraded my work machine. I really regret it and I wish I had time to put XP back on. Vista's a mess.
- petespee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+47Balmer is wrong. Vista isn't selling because like DRM, it punishes legitimate users.
I spent 4 hours with MS Tech support yesterday because my PC would bluescreen on an upgrade but work perfectly on a clean install. Only problem was my Upgrade serial number did not allow me to activate a clean install. So we (me and tech support) struggled 4 hours to try to get the 'upgrade' not to bluescreen. We did not find a problem and the guy wanted to go home, so we stopped trying.
So far my upgrade has taken over 7 hours of my time and it still doesn't work properly so I'm going to return it. Pirates to blame?? Yeah, thats why Mac sales are growing so fast.....
what a tool. - sulf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44Sysadmin's rule #1: Do not break what works. Why would you want to buy an OS if the existing one performs all the functions that you need?
- Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43"It appears that Ballmer doesn't agree, for he hinted that Vista's antipiracy features might be tightened even more."
Ah, good, because DRM has worked _so well_ up until now, hasn't it?
When will these idiots learn that DRM doesn't stop piracy. Never has, never will. - edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -5/+44I get a free copy of Vista via my University. It's sitting on my desk, uninstalled. Until something comes along that /needs/ Vista (Halo 2, Crysis, etc), I'd sooner avoid the hassle of transferring files and programs (and weeding out incompatibilities). It's not that I don't like Vista (The beta was pretty nifty), it's just there's no point going through the whole upgrade hassle until there's something I need it for.
- Philluminati, on 10/12/2007, -6/+44
you WISH pirates were stealing Vista because pirates are COOL but unfortunately your OS is a joke. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42Where you referring to NPD's figures? If so, you got your numbers mixed up. New PC sales, not Vista sales, are up over last year. It is assumed that all those sales were of Vista-preloaded PCs, but there are no clear numbers yet--except for Ballmer's lowered expectations.
"First-week retail sales of boxed copies of Windows Vista were almost 60 per cent below sales of boxed copies of Windows XP in the week after its 2001 launch, according to one leading market research group.
The dollar value of retail box copies of Vista sold during the week of January 28 also fell 32 per cent from the value of XP box copies sold during its first week in October 2001, according to figures from Port Washington, New York-based NPD Group released Thursday."
http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=7284
Another source of the same story, in case you claim this is FUD:
"Windows Vista Sales Are Slower Than When Windows XP Launched"
http://www.legitreviews.com/news/3200/ - klang, on 10/12/2007, -5/+42@blaze03
Nope.
PS: We started switching 12000+ machines to Windows XP just a year ago. Switching to Vista will not happen in at least 3-4 years. (simple return on investment) - coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -23/+59Sure, i pirated Vista ultimate, but I haven't yet even burned it to disc. I don't see the point in disturbing my Linux/XP dual boot configuration for crappier gaming performance on my laptop (from what I saw with Vista RTM). And I have no high-end video card, which causes the performance hit stands out even more (aero disabled). Maybe I will someday if they reduce the mem footprint and better ATI drivers come out, or maybe better ATI Linux drivers so I can run all my games in Wine like my Nvidia desktop :/
- SPThom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+38Anyone here who's trying to stand up and say "Vista is still selling more than ___ (fill in the blank)" is missing the point. You don't have to talk about market share or OS sales or anything to draw some conclusions from this story. Vista didn't sell as well as they expected. Presumably XP did a decent job of selling back in the day, so if the last release sold better than the current release, doesn't that suggest that the company *seriously* dragged their feet and put out an less than stellar product?
- sinurgy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37Even if most applications worked with it, why on earth would I pay a premium to have a "big brother" OS watching over me? Seriously, why?!?!
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+39"We think in the next three months we'll probably sell five times as many copies of Windows Vista as we ever did [Windows 95] in the equivalent period of time. ... We'll probably go double what we did with Windows XP." - Steve Ballmer, prior to Vista launch.
Now his excuse for that not happening is piracy: "I think some of the revenue forecasts I've seen out there for Windows Vista in fiscal year '08 are overly aggressive ... PC growth is a driver of Windows revenue. You all have your own forecasts for PC growth. I will tell you that whatever you think it is, more growth comes from high piracy markets than from low piracy markets."
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/111773.asp?source=rss
What Steve doesn't mention is that in those "high piracy markets" people can't afford Vista AND their hardware. In many cases, they can't even run Vista on their hardware. Piracy... right. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+39I think the biggest obstacle for Vista is the hardware requirement. People read all the reviews and they see you need like 2gb of ram and 256mb of graphic for everything to work right. Like me, I have a 3 years old laptop, I'm not gonna upgrade to Vista until I get a new computer.
- evilgold, on 10/12/2007, -6/+39Honestly, I pirated vista, and then after using it for a few days (maybe a week?), i switched back to good old pirated XP. In vista i wasnt able to get World of Warcraft to update without running it with administratior privlages, and the reason why turned out to be because it wouldnt allow writing to the start menu.
Anyways, 80% of the computers in my house run linux, and the 2 that dont are for gaming only. I know a few people who are going to be making the move to linux once XP is out dated enough, simply because of the price tag and the fact that every good new feature in vista, has been on linux (and probably mac) for over a year now. - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -12/+44@blaze03
Nope.
PS: We switched to Linux a long time ago, employed a real unix admin and have had a great trouble-free working environment for ages. - djskyler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33I purchased XP on the day of it's original release. I intend to purchase Vista....never.
Why should I pay high dollar for a OS that makes my CPU monitor my activities 30 times a second? I didn't buy the CPU for the benefit of some coke snorting record producer. If they want to use my computer, they can pay their fair share!
M$ has it backwards, a heavily-DRMed OS should be cheap or free! Since the main function of Vista is now to police us for the MPAA / RIAA, then let them fund this new big brother monitoring program. Ballmer will get the Vista sales numbers he wants when it ends up at Big Lots for $4.99. - WoollyMittens, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34Why don't you fly on over and get the OpenGL to work on my ATI videocard without bluescreening.
- toomuchgreentea, on 10/12/2007, -11/+41Don't be delusional ... MS will force you to upgrade. Like in the past, they'll cripple old OS performance with lousy patches so you'll have no choice but to either buy into Vista, or dump XP for good and switch to something else.
- StevoCJ, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31"Because it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick?"
I beg to differ - coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32"Nvidia's latest versions of drives are basically perfectly fine"
My laptop uses an ATI Xpress 200M, When I play games on vista the framerate fluctuates between 10-max in 2 second intervals, it feel like it's giving me whiplash. And ATI's OpenGL support in Vista is terrible, won't run Nexuiz/Quake 4/Doom 3 playable at all. All of which work fine/are at least playable in XP.
"And what, game on Linux ? HAHA."
YES! I don't play all the newest games as soon as they hit the shelves at Best Buy. The newest game I play is Oblivion and they all work fine in Wine, and the ones that don't work fine in Cedega. And I play a few native Linux games that I wouldn't dream of playing in Windows (Legends, Nexuiz, Unreal, Postal 2, Sauerbraten, Quake 4, doom 3, Tremolous, etc). Believe it or not, One CAN game on Linux, The only reason I don't on my laptop is due to ATI driver shortcomings, which don't exist on my Nvidia desktop. - Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -12/+39Steve, you silly little boy, open your eyes.
1. Vista does nothing to improve my daily computer use.
2. It costs a lot more money than it should.
3. It limits what I want to do.
4. I'm no pirate. I just don't like you or MS.
5. If I use it, people will point at me and laugh.
There ya go Stevie. Now go walk the plank. - adriyel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30Bah. I'm an MSDN developer. I got a beta2 and an RTM copy laying on my desk. I just didn't care for it. I've got gaming quality hardware, and it just didn't run that well. The RTM was an improvement over beta2, but still not satisfactory. The combined horrendous amount of swapping when alt-tabbing out of CounterStrike and the overall fudginess feeling wasn't desired. And don't say, omg your pc sucks. Erm, no. It has 2gb of RAM and alt-tabs instantly in XP.
XP + FreeBSD is just fine for me, thanks. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28I'm glad I had a chance to pirate Vista. I now know that most of it is hype and not worth my money. I'm glad I had a chance not to buy it.
Thanks Sweden!! - ihaveplans, on 10/12/2007, -4/+30"It appears that Ballmer doesn't agree, for he hinted that Vista's antipiracy features might be tightened even more. 'We [will] really ferret through how far we can dial it up, and what that means for customer experience and customer satisfaction,' he said."
"We will really ferret through how far we can dial it up"? Who talks like that? - PasteEater, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27"I think that the biggest problem is not taking down the pirates, but not taking down legitimate customers at the same time."
@madjo
Exactly. So if it's not stopping the pirates, and only screwing with people who have legitimately purchased a copy, why is the DRM activation crap there in the first place? To put it another way, if the DRM isn't benefiting Microsoft, OR the end user, what's the point in having it? -
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