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- Bicep, on 01/08/2009, -9/+19TOO FUNNY that I'm reading this article... Just 2 minutes ago I was waived down by someone in the hall asking me "If I brought my Vista laptop in, could you show me how to put more RAM in it? I have 2GB but the computer is DOG slow, so I want to add more RAM." Now I'm sitting here giggling like a crazy because it's just friggin AMAZING how badly Vista SUCKS! I've heard the same gripes from countless people on this issue. I'm sorry to go negative but it's just SO true!!
Free Yourself. Use GNU/Linux!! STOP THE TAX!! - docjeff, on 01/08/2009, -3/+13Onward and upward, my friends!
- kd420, on 01/09/2009, -1/+7If this becomes popular there will be a flood of people claiming "Vista isn't bad" etc. While I have to say they may have a point, that Vista isn't as terrible as people claim (a lot of people actually prefer it to XP) it did expose a lot of the flaws related to Windows in general.
1. It was shoved down PC buyers throats, regardless of whether their machine was ready (actually ready, not just some sticker saying so) for Vista. Requirements were again stepped up, partially negating the price drops in technology since you need better hardware to run the OS.
2. It was succeeded by Windows 7 after about 2 years only (correct me on the time if I am mistaken). MS clearly was more concerned about their image than the satisfaction of their customers. If I had actually paid for a Vista license (we get them free at my University) I would feel cheated that all these new features, and a much more efficient OS in general, would have to be bought, less than 3 years after the last release.
3. Seemingly obvious UI annoyances were never ironed out. Did no one at MS think UAC might get annoying or that there might be a better way to implement it? Did no one see how network management was not very streamlined? Did we really need so many versions to choose from, or was this implemented to increase profit? Of course, you don't get a say in the matter, they sell a product and you either buy it or not.
Vista is NOT a horrible OS, as a lot of people claim. However, it exemplifies exactly why one should choose open source and free software. MS is a corporation, and it's main goal is to make money, end of story. If money is taken out of the equation, the only thing left is the hope for making the best possible OS. Free software is not perfect, but does tend to avoid a lot of these problems - johnsu01, on 01/09/2009, -0/+5That's just not true in my experience. In fact I know several (regular, not-techie) people personally who -- without me speaking to them directly beforehand -- switched to GNU/Linux instead of Vista.
- lokeshmandvekar, on 01/08/2009, -6/+10god bless GNU/Linux too
- cquinnd, on 01/09/2009, -0/+3I'd bet some number of people did switch to OS X or Linux in the interim before Vista was released, and since. But you make a valid point that as many people stayed with or got newer systems with XP as switched, and many also have moved up to Vista in the past two years as it has improved and since SP1 was released.
I always found badvista to be something of a false flag site. I could not take seriously all their claims about Vista having used it myself, and seeing them repeat many of the debunked statements that other bashers claimed long before its release. But also because they failed in the first rule of Linux evangelism: there does not appear to be a corresponding goodlinux.org site to promote alternatives from. - schestowitz, on 01/09/2009, -3/+5Vista worked just fine for this guy: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gjB1XzayjtA
- cquinnd, on 01/09/2009, -0/+2On # 1. you have a point that MS should have pushed harder to set the minimum requirements for the OS higher than the CPU makers and OEMs wanted just to push systems out the door.
>> 2. It was succeeded by Windows 7 after about 2 years only (correct me on the time if I am mistaken).
Windows 7 is not out yet, and having a beta release from MS only a couple of years after a general OS release is not new. XP was in beta just over a year after Windows 2000 was on retail shelves.
#3. Yes they did think UAC was annoying, unfortunately one of the managers thought that was a good idea to get people more aware of security being an interactive process. It almost backfired as more people turned it off than checked their software for safe practices. In some ways the interface for Vista is better than XP, and in some other ways it hides things that were easily found on the surface of the GUI before. MS was trying to solve corporate, consumer and other interests (like the EU) while still maintaining a "simple" baseline for the OS and streamlining some other variants of past OSes into the mainstream (Tablet Edition and Media Center Edition became standard parts of the Business and Home Premium varaints.).
"You" get a say in the matter, if "You" represent enough of the user base for MS to specify a variant for.
I will disagree on the interests of Capitalism vs Open Source only in the observation that the motives on either side are not as cut and dried as you make them out to be. - Topher06, on 01/09/2009, -6/+7Yeah, but zero gain in the Linux/Free softare market.
Apple is delusionaly in believing that Vista's failure meant more people switching to OS X. If people are not using Vista, they must be using OS X right?
The Linux community is thinking the same thing.
Instead even the free software foundation is claiming that all that has happened is that people kept XP or forced Microsoft to extend XP, and the Microsoft is readying a Vista replacement a few years ahead of schedule?
So how has Apple and Linux exactly benefited from Vista's failure.
This is the dumbest comment made in 2009 so far, paraphrased "We, the FREE software foundation, claims success that Microsoft is extending the support of a retail OS and is reading a quicker release of a new version of retail software. And this has improved our free software campaign.....um....we haven't tought that far ahead yet." - lokeshmandvekar, on 01/10/2009, -0/+1the above comment of mine was meant in a good way ... looks like linux guys hate BSD ... dunno y ... BSDs are good .. real good ...to each his own though ...peace
- leorockway, on 01/10/2009, -1/+2I'd say that people using XP over Vista is a victory for freedom. Vista's Digital Restriction Management (DRM) is not present in XP (at least not in SP2, I haven't tried SP3 and never will since I only use Free Software [gNewSense GNU/Linux] now).
And, to tell you guys the truth, I never liked Microsoft products, but XP was a usable OS. It had its problems, but it was somewhat reliable. When Vista came out I decided not to use Windows anymore because it was just awful. So Vista actually made me migrate to GNU/Linux. - grumpyrain, on 01/09/2009, -0/+1Agree with point 1 (at least originally). These days the only place where it makes a difference is in the netbook level hardware. For current desktops and other laptops, the 'excessive requirements' (as some would argue) are about 15 bucks worth of RAM and onboard video has no trouble with Aero. But the Vista capable thing was a debacle.
Point 2 I disagree with. It has been two years now since Vista public release (just over that from RTM), but 7 is not released except as a beta program. It probably wont be on shelves for another twelve months, which would be a 3 year lifespan for Vista. This is longer than 95, 98, ME or 2K had, you should really consider XP the exception. You could almost argue that SP2 was a different major OS release.
Point 3 is often bought up by people who don't use it on a daily basis. I don't see UAC any more often than I see a sudo prompt when running Ubuntu; and for the same sorts of reasons. The problems are a bit exaggerated on the Windows platform because traditionally all programs had adminstrative access. This led to older programs causing the popup all the time. There is no application program that I use on a regular basis that needs elevation. What UAC does need is an "installation mode" whereby you can disable UAC for 24 hours or something when installing a new PC, giving you the convenience of XP style installations but eventually the protection of requiring approval for process elevation. - Topher06, on 01/09/2009, -1/+2Yeah but the statement made is that people are opting to use an older non-open source OS and forced a retail software company to ready a new version sooner then expected.
Nobody switched to Linux because of Vista, they are using their existing Windows OS and waiting for a new one to come out. - daradib, on 01/11/2009, -0/+1Come on, the parent post was really funny! Get a sense of humor.
- Septagram, on 01/12/2009, -0/+2Well yeah, I guess Microsoft should now put "Compatible with Vista" tag on that shredder.
And probably even consider making a deal with manufacturer to preistall Vista on all new shredders. xD - inactive, on 01/11/2009, -1/+2TRUE TECHIES MULTIBOOT!
- jbird123, on 03/23/2009, -1/+2Bollocks, vista is awesome. Windows 7 is even better
- 0004, on 02/17/2009, -2/+2Well, it seems that Windows 7 is the Microsoft Suicide Note v2 ...
see http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/16/2 ...
Draconian DRM Revealed In Windows 7 - OsamaK, on 04/08/2009, -0/+0For me, it's about freedom more than just the quality (although I will never use Windows even if it becomes free). The point is that, let's focus on freedom, they're many non-free good quality operating systems and softwares, they simple reaction of ours should be 'No, they are not free'.
- LostSoul83, on 01/13/2009, -0/+0I have nothing against BSD, and I dug you up.
- inactive, on 01/11/2009, -1/+1Press F8 to allow unsigned drivers to be installed (all hope abandon, ye who enter here)
- inbetweenblogs, on 11/06/2009, -0/+0windows 7 ultimate is the best at all
http://www.windows7collection.com - OsamaK, on 04/09/2009, -0/+0It's not about the quality (although Vista is one of the worst low-quality restricted operating systems from Microsoft). Vista is bad, people started looking around for alternatives, they'll probably find a free powerful GNU/Linux operating system and they may switch to it after learning its ethical basis. Vista did support GNU/Linux and the free software movement indirectly. I think we got to teach people the basis of freedom and ethics behind GNU, Microsoft may release a (technical) better version of Windows, but it will continue taking users freedom. At this point, "Linux" and "Open Source" supporters (who focus on the technical reasons) will lose.
- LostSoul83, on 01/13/2009, -1/+1I think Microsoft underestimates their user base. It isn't 1998 any more and those of us with moderate computer skills have choices. If Microsoft cannot treat us with respect, we will leave their platform.
- apexwm, on 05/06/2009, -0/+0Hopefully the message will continue to get out to get the awareness up on Linux. Vista is simply over bloated, and its backwards compatibility is horrible. I have used it side by side with Fedora 10, and Fedora 10 is smoking fast compared to Vista on the exact same hardware. I have been a systems admin for over 12 years running Windows and Linux side by side. Linux is clearly the winner now and going into the future.
- mylesw, on 10/10/2009, -0/+0If Windows 7 wasn't a wake up call for Ubuntu Linux adoption, I don't know what is. But you know, you can't change a lemming.....
- Totbuae, on 06/08/2009, -0/+0Alas, vlicrosoft won't be gone overnight. I guess patience is the key here.
(vli = vendor lock-in, btw)
http://tinyurl.com/mssdtm - Totbuae, on 06/08/2009, -0/+0Alas, vlicrosoft won't be gone overnight. I guess patience is the key here.
(vli = vendor lock-in, btw)
http://tinyurl.com/mssdtm - lokeshmandvekar, on 01/08/2009, -7/+5BSD ftw ...god bless beastie ...sounds funny i know ...but ya ... god bless beastie
- inactive, on 01/11/2009, -3/+1Yah, that's probably a crock.
I have 2 gigs of ram in my machine, with my cpu @ 3.74, and I can play crisis on max'd out FLAWLESSLY.
all my HD movies? amazingly.
burning a DVD while playing tf2? DONE.
Maybe the majority of your friends don't understand computers. - inactive, on 08/01/2009, -3/+0Bicep, known Linux zealot, telling more lies to make himself feel good.
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