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- Ghoztt, on 12/02/2007, -9/+219Holy crap, BBC gave an option for Realplayer... didn't know people are still
......BUFFERING......
dumb enough to use that. - sparkleanimesh, on 12/02/2007, -6/+85BBC uses torrents!
- Chaoticfist, on 12/02/2007, -3/+50They can not put the cat back in the bag now. BTW to all Canadians. There is a major attempt to get a new copyright law passed here. It is pretty much the same as the usa's dmca. This is not good. Contact your mps, the prime minister, anyone you know in the government. I tried to create a digg story about it, but it says that the link i am using is not existing...
here is the link
http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/investing/deirdrem ...
can some one else try posting this. People need to know. They are trying to pass this quietly. If we do not act know we are screwed. This is the only major media source i could find that was reporting it. - secleinteer, on 12/02/2007, -1/+38That's OK, it will show up on the Pirate Bay soon enough XD
- dmh650, on 12/02/2007, -6/+38They showed it at 6:40 in the morning though...
- mrjoanofarc, on 12/02/2007, -6/+37The Pirate Bay co-creators don't seem to make a strong case for themselves... : /
- aliguana, on 12/02/2007, -0/+24up until .. a month or two ago, Real streams were the only option you had on certain parts of the Beeb (esp the music parts). On others, WMP or Real. Very recently I've noticed a lot of Flash video appearing, which is... better late than never
- Charbax, on 12/02/2007, -1/+25Can I download a higher quality version of this show on the Pirate Bay? Cause seriously, the BBC seems to only provide a ridiculous 34kbit/s video stream.
- Falconwing, on 12/02/2007, -7/+29The thing is, it doesn't matter. You need to examine the alternative. Either we enforce copyright - which means that everybody's private communications needs to be monitored for copyright infringements. That means no more secret letters to doctor, lawyer or reporters, or indeed anyone. Either that, or we accept that that price isn't worth it, and copyright needs to take a step back, quite regardless of the business model impacts.
- seanieb, on 12/02/2007, -1/+21For all of you guys digging him down, he's actually correct:
http://torrentfreak.com/azureus-partners-with-the- ... - KungFuJesus, on 12/02/2007, -4/+23Because you would never have bought the movie in the first place, so you downloading the movie doesn't constitute a lost sale.
- Eeqmcsq, on 12/02/2007, -2/+20"How can you make $50m+ movies when people take them for free?"
By realizing that the economics of movies is more complicated than that. Yes, you can download a movie to watch it. But you can't download the movie-going experience. You can't download owning the original, actual DVD in your personal DVD collection. These are the things people will pay for. - thespanielator, on 12/02/2007, -1/+18At least one decent point made it through.
"If you are to enforce copyright in the digital age, where a lot of this takes place in private communications, if you are to enforce that you need to monitor all private communications, and that's not worth it to society or politically." - acceleration, on 12/02/2007, -17/+33People, the ice comparision does not work. When you use your freezer to make ice, you're making your own ice, not stealing the ice made by the ice seller.
But when you use technology to share movies, you are stealing the movies made by the movie studios. Technology doesn't let you make your own movies, it merely lets you download the movies (without paying).
So basically, the ice seller loses his job because people don't need him - the people can make their own ice. But if the movie makers lose their jobs because people are able to watch their movies without paying - what do the people watch then? Then no more movies are made, and unlike making ice from fridge, you can't effortlessly make movies from torrents.
Movies only exist because people will pay to see them. - Colesif, on 12/02/2007, -6/+21YARRR!!!
- EnterDaMatrix, on 12/02/2007, -0/+13Better quality at youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhVVT54hrSE - iPissExcellence, on 12/02/2007, -0/+13Ah UK, that would be 7:40 in Scandinavia. Still too early though.
- kronix2, on 12/02/2007, -4/+16File sharing is NOT stealing. It's copyright infringement and a civil matter if done for private non-profit reasons.
- ndiderrich, on 12/02/2007, -4/+15TPB is like hidden treasure of gold.
- Angostura, on 12/02/2007, -3/+14Precisely, your freezer allows you to *compete* with the ice seller, not steal his ice.
- dark1587, on 12/02/2007, -2/+12Unsurprisingly, that is not a view shared by the entertainment industry, as Jo Oliver from the International Federation for the Phonographic Industry explains.
'It's just not practical to give away a creation for free,' she insists. 'There are people that need to be paid, who have worked on those recordings.'"
Well holy *****. Somebody call up Mozilla, Ubuntu, Radiohead, and Saul Williams and tell them their business model just doesn't work.
/sarcasm - beasty_dave_Mk2, on 12/02/2007, -1/+11the quality was so *****, just for fun I tried real player...it didn't play. Real Alternative worked though. It did have clearer audio, I must admit. *shrugs*
- Zippo, on 12/02/2007, -9/+19I like the ice/fridge analogy.
- Travisx2, on 12/02/2007, -1/+10In Hollywood, Economics are backwards. They spend $50 million on a movie and then demand to make all that back + >100% Profit from consumers.
I think they need to rethink their economics. Maybe paying a star $20 million up front isn't a great idea any more (give all the big players a piece of the back end, if a movie does well, they do well.. If a movie doesn't do well, you didn't front umpteen million $$) - Zezza, on 12/02/2007, -0/+9And then there's VLC, please leave the stone ages.
- desync, on 12/02/2007, -4/+13this is sad but true. after reading the article i got the impression these guys are bunk of punkers who just want to stick it to the man.
- ross., on 12/02/2007, -4/+13I still use ice, but I'm not paying for it..
- seanieb, on 12/02/2007, -0/+9At the end of the segment the presenter asks the audience to give your opinions on the Piratebay and file sharing by email the show at click@bbc.co.uk
- IdanH14, on 12/02/2007, -4/+12Although I don't use bittorrent usually I have to say, the founders of TPB are the kind of men I love. They don't afraid to bite when it's necessary, and they're not apologetic for anything. My heart's desire is to never see this site shut down.
- aliguana, on 12/02/2007, -0/+8well, considering the BBC is "the man", its not surprising. Although, in fairness, the Beeb tell it like it is, 99% of the time.
- ketha, on 12/02/2007, -0/+8It was shown as part of the BBC's tech news show 'Click Online'.. it's repeated about five times over the weekend and available at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online ...
i saw it at about 8.00am saturday morning. - LokitheComplex, on 12/02/2007, -0/+7So what do you recommend?
Actually effects have got better not just because of money but because of technology. Even fan films have better effects than old Hollywood now. Its actually organising the shoots that it is really expensive. In the fan films its the acting that sucks. - Noelix, on 12/02/2007, -1/+8It just goes to show you the future of film. You don't need to spend a ton of money to make a good film.
- andycr512, on 12/02/2007, -0/+7Sadly, we have never seen a technology like computers and the infinite free copying they afford, and as such there can be no tangible analogy.
- IsaacCubed, on 12/02/2007, -1/+8Don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't hear a thing that entire video...horrible sound quality
- roodammy44, on 12/02/2007, -1/+8Hmmm.... Now what is youtube again?
It seems to fit the freezer analogy pretty well. People watch videos they make themselves.
@acceptab1euname:
Copyright infringement is not stealing, when will you people learn? - bratterscain, on 12/02/2007, -2/+9Supposed to legally, doesn't mean we have to. Changing the economy and political environment in a revolutionary way has almost always involved people having to do it illegally. A lot of us don't download because we won't pay but because the prices are just outrageous for some media. Something needs to change and file sharing is one way of spreading that message. The days are almost over where singers are blinging around showing how much $ they got for doing so little while the average joe works his ass off and barely gets *****. Whether you like it or not, it's a big ***** you to people like you and the RIAA.
- roodammy44, on 12/02/2007, -0/+728 days later was made for £200,000 and is still a great movie.
I watch many short films made by up and coming directors and feel that some of them have been the best films I've ever seen.
On the other hand half of the £50 million films I've seen are big piles of crap.
Screw the £50 million films, we might get to see some talent if they die. - z0mbie2099, on 12/02/2007, -3/+10Long Live ThePirateBay!
- pineutrino, on 12/02/2007, -0/+6... no, I'd argue that a better analogy would be to make a perfect copy of the ice magically pop into existence, and use that.
Here's an example, but with cars: http://angryflower.com/supergo.html
However, the point they're trying to make is that the current business movie-making business model is very much a product of the mid-20th century, when movie production costs were very high, and piracy as it exists today was almost nonexistent. Nowadays, though, the situation is very different, and their opinion is that it's changed so much as to make the market niche the movie industry is currently lurking in disappear. Production costs of movies, and difficulty of distribution, have plummeted. This'll continue indefinitely, as technology marches on. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if indie movies become as successful as indie music (for the purposes of this comment, indie music = all non-RIAA-represented music).
I'm not necessarily trying to say that this makes the situation we're in now morally justifiable, but it does make it more inevitable. A lot more. - andycr512, on 12/02/2007, -1/+7What law in their country have they broken? Prove they should be behind bars or stop making stupid comments.
- Seph7, on 12/02/2007, -0/+6http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/no ...
- Falconwing, on 12/02/2007, -3/+9No, actually, there isn't. Not in this case. Either copyright dictates what we can and cannot send in private communications, or it doesn't.
(Note that I am talking specifically about the noncommercial distribution part of the copyright monopoly now.) - Sabretou, on 12/02/2007, -2/+8I can't believe I read the International Federation for the Phonographic Industry as the International Federation for the Pornographic Industry AGAIN.
- Rotzooi, on 12/02/2007, -0/+6[NUKED]snd.qual.bad.get.PROPER
- issachar, on 12/02/2007, -3/+9None of the analogies make any sense. All they're saying is "times have changed, get used to it".
- TeebZ, on 12/02/2007, -1/+7"But when you use technology to share movies, you are stealing the movies"
How is it stealing if you're sharing? I think it's more like your neighbor bought the ice form the ice seller, and then you go over to his house and ask if you can put your beer in his ice. Then both of you can enjoy your chilled beer for half the cost.
I still think it's illegal to share copyrighted material, the problem is that to download it is the best way to get it. If, for example, my favorite band put up an easy way for me to give my money to them (paypal), then I would do it. The whole music/movie business is outdated. - tugger, on 12/02/2007, -4/+10OK, so what if the ice-guy decided he could make more money by raising his prices. Like he's earning 11 million for around 6 weeks work. You're paying $30 (in the UK) for some ice that lasts you several hours, and the ice guy is living the good life. You think to yourself yeah, I'd pay $5 or $10 and feel ok because the quality is pretty good, but $30? Forget it, I'll make my own in the freezer. It takes a while, and the quality isn't as good as the ice-guy, but hell.. supply and demand.
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