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- EMFK, on 04/12/2009, -18/+69AP should rename themselves to "Associated Pricks". Sheesh. Cry me a river already.
- jdcurtis67, on 04/12/2009, -1/+42this is an old fight taking on new forms. Looks like the AP has a perpetual chip on its shoulder when it comes to competition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_News_Se ... - ryan83189, on 04/12/2009, -1/+36Is he gonna take it anymore?
- michaelpinto, on 04/12/2009, -7/+41I hate to say it but I agree with him on the Huffington Post: Look at the outcry at Digg with the DiggBar, now look at what Huffington Post is doing - they don't even bother to frame the pages. Frankly when I see breaking news at Huffington I go to the source and submit that to Digg. And the odd thing is that I always assumed that Huffington was paying for AP feeds as well.
- binaryspiral, on 04/12/2009, -1/+21The AP was a news aggregation service back when people still used typewriters and western union telegrams. The AP allowed a reporter in one city to get his story in a pool to be sold and published in other papers.
They refused to modernize and maintained their old school ways - and now they die at the hands of those who have a grasp on what works today.
Good riddance to those who can't evolve. - ha3er0, on 06/16/2009, -4/+21That what news aggregators do, the quote a small summary and link to the original source. Nothing wrong with that because you are driving traffic to the original source. That how its being done at gizmodo and engadget and most large tech and news site.
Its not HP's fault for doing it, its the people who choose to submit that on digg instead the original source, who should take the extra effort to submit from the original source - instead of the summary.
Thats true for gizmodo and lifehacker, who are notorious for doing it. - blastcube, on 04/12/2009, -2/+17These guys sound like the ***** RIAA.
If you want to be successful, make things that people want.
What good is a morning newspaper if half the things I read on it I read about on DIGG the day before.
It's kind of like the shovel industry getting mad at the front end loader industry because they build and sell bigger, more effective shovels. GROW UP OLD MEDIA! - zacharytelschow, on 04/12/2009, -5/+19I'd be mad as hell too if I was working off an outdated business model that won't turn a profit in today's world. The paper for my hometown has shrunk to about 1/3 of its past size in three years. I bet GM and Chrysler are mad as hell too.
- ChristPissed, on 04/12/2009, -3/+16The AP should stop publishing if they don't want their articles quoted or linked to.
- vat0r, on 04/12/2009, -0/+12If they quote the source what's the problem?
- oldhick, on 04/12/2009, -1/+13I think that's framing the story a bit wrong... Their actual issue is with people ripping off their content. Not competition. If you want to send reporters out and compete for a story, so be it. Instead, most bloggers and even radio, simply read AP articles and then reproduce them with their spin on them. It's always been a problem with print news. Simply listen to a local radio station and they'll read headlines right out of your local paper.
Obviously, thought needs to be put into this. As actual reporting and journalism fades away into the long night, what will replace it? - inactive, on 04/12/2009, -4/+15I've never understood why diggers tend to insist on submitting the Huffington Post article rather than the original article. It's not like it's more work - just a single click to get the original source, and the original source is usually more informative anyway. Besides, 9 times out of 10, you end up having to click through anyway because the Huffington Post article will be a two-sentence blurb with no context.
- Rassa, on 04/12/2009, -0/+10It's almost like Dean Singleton looked at the RIAA model and said "Hey that is working, lets sue everyone."
Are these guys ever going to get it? I have a fan site for a sports team. We always post a headline and one sentence copy with link to source to stories that deal with the team. Every once in awhile the RSS feed for that picks up an AP story. After hearing about them going after people that do this I have banned all AP stories from being posted on my site. I don't want to deal with sue happy douchebags.
AP went from getting free traffic from links on my site for those that wanted to read the whole story to none. Good business plan Dean Singleton. - inactive, on 04/12/2009, -3/+13This headline is misleading - the article's first sentence says it's not clear who he's mad at. And that's a pretty good summary of the problem here; The AP can't survive unless its subscribers are the ones getting pageviews, so aggregators like HuffPo make money off of AP's stories without handing over a dime. And search engines add to that problem, but it would be crazy to suggest turning off google. So who's really to blame and what should be done? It's hard to say.
It's easy to blame the media for all its problems, (hell, blaming the media for *everything* has been a pretty successful strategy for decades) but it's going to be a pretty sad world when the only ones delivering the news and keeping an eye on the government are part-time bloggers. - portnoy, on 04/12/2009, -2/+11Yeah, that's the way to stay relevent. Reduce your readership until you become irrelevant.
- 68024, on 04/12/2009, -5/+13Time for the dinosaurs to catch up with the times... newspapers, telephone companies, music and tv companies... they're all in the same boat but don't realize it yet.
- jturbo, on 04/12/2009, -0/+8I actually heard him yelling out the window this morning. Quite annoying.
- bocasdeltorro, on 04/12/2009, -1/+9The Chairman of the AP said on Charlie Rose that the Houghington Post does have a relationship, and does pay the AP.
- FairDinkumMate, on 04/12/2009, -0/+7There is a HUGE difference between what Digg does & what HP does!
Dig NEVER reproduces the entire article(with the rare exception of a site going down & someone reproducing the article in a comment). HP often uses a little of an original article, adds its own comment & spin & links to the original article - no problem there either. However, all too often, HP reproduces entire articles(or virtually entire articles), adds a few irrelevant lines of comment & a link to the site. This is very unlikeloy to generate a page hit for the source when the entire article has already been read on the HP site. - localzuk, on 04/12/2009, -1/+8Looks like the AP is struggling as it hasn't actually utilised the internet properly. 15 years is a long time to create a sustainable business plan for a new media type...
- inactive, on 04/12/2009, -1/+7actually catsce02 is the official spokesman of the Internet. We elected him in a secret ballot. You didn't get the link? It should have arrived in your in box as an "Enlarge your penis" ad.
- inactive, on 04/12/2009, -0/+6oldhick is exactly right - Find me one blogger who's actually got the time and the resources to go out and get stories, to talk to senators and other government officials, to attend government meetings and dig through reams of documents, to travel to overseas warzones. Covering the news takes more than just a computer.
Everyone talks about how traditional journalists are a thing of the past, but no one has any legitimate ideas about what the future will be. - jturbo, on 04/12/2009, -0/+6The weird thing about competition is that business models can no longer be unchanging and everlasting. How about spend a fraction of the money you will be wasting on litigation and build something to compete with those entities that are beating you out. To you Mr. Dean Singleton I say, shut the hell up and evolve, and the let the chips fall where they may.
- epublicus, on 04/12/2009, -0/+5Then, I suppose, if AP is really upset about this, they can always keep the "work" to themselves.
Words to live by.
"If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed."
— Mark Twain - jdcurtis67, on 04/12/2009, -0/+5Its competition in terms of revenue. AP maintains a limited or quasi-proprietary interest in the original content they produce, but they are acting as if they maintain an absolute right over public information. Once it reaches a certain level of dissemination they cannot reasonably assert to a right to collect revenue from individuals commenting on or reproducing the information. The old rules of traditional print media no longer apply, and unfortunately the AP appears to be resisting rather than adapting. As with other traditional organizations, they will likely learn this lesson the hard way.
- DangerCollie, on 04/12/2009, -2/+7Translation: Our print media revenues are drying up and we've got to find someone else to stick with the bill or we can all kiss those juicy bonuses and exotic executive retreats good bye!
- tech10171968, on 04/12/2009, -0/+5You took the words right from my mouth. This reminds me of the whole RIAA fiasco: a de facto leader in the business of distributing information or data is getting its ass handed to it by technology so, instead of adapting to that technology, it decides to fight tooth-and-nail to hang on to its outdated business model and cash cow.
I can't help thinking that a lot of this is coming from corporate leaders who are basically technological Luddites and don't "get" the online world and innovations such as P2P. Plus, because they don't "get it", they fail to come up with ways in which they can leverage this stuff to their advantage.
I think the eventual result will be the same: either they get dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, or they end up drifting into irrelevance due to being so hard-headed. - powderbeard, on 04/12/2009, -0/+5Keeping AP articles out of Google is easy enough already, just edit robots.txt to stop the crawler, but that would have to be the most bone-headed move ever and would ultimately kill the AP in the long run.
- wracker92, on 04/12/2009, -3/+8Because people working for the benefit of HuffPo are gaming Digg. It's pretty obvious by now.
- oldhick, on 04/12/2009, -1/+6But that's a ridiculous claim. You can count on one hand bloggers that actually do investigative journalism. They can't afford to. Nearly all bloggers simply regurgitate stories they find in their local print media or national news with their spin. Media conglomerates certainly are a problem, but bloggers are no solution.
- emkaysmith, on 04/12/2009, -0/+5So much for "liberal bias" in the media. Money is the ONLY thing that counts to these people.
- jsffive, on 04/12/2009, -1/+5Is it just a LITTLE BIT possible that the AP is upset that they can't control the propaganda anymore?
They've been the gatekeepers for how many decades now?
Consider this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
Is it unreasonable to think that the intelligence services have infiltrated every other form of media EXCEPT the news organizations? - Frozo, on 04/12/2009, -1/+5Spot on!
- Numarx, on 04/12/2009, -1/+5Digg does it as well, its how the internet works. They all link each other, some do it differently then others. While a huge majority on Digg deny that Digg is like the rest of them.
- alienufo, on 04/12/2009, -0/+4glad im not the only one seeing the comparison to the RIAA's business strategy...
- OneOfNone, on 04/12/2009, -0/+4I wonder what will happen if Google preemptively excludes results with "Associated Press". The ad revenue AP is getting will not increase; it will go the way of newspapers.
- scilec, on 04/12/2009, -0/+4How DARE people think for themselves!
- yerdaddy, on 04/12/2009, -0/+4Lots of great reporters don't need AP.
- freediverx, on 04/12/2009, -5/+8"It's easy to blame the media for all its problems... but it's going to be a pretty sad world when the only ones delivering the news and keeping an eye on the government are part-time bloggers."
We shouldn't be worried about saving the news media. We should be worried about saving good journalism, regardless of what form it takes. I'd sooner trust a global community of bloggers than a small cabal of profit-obsessed media conglomerates. - Pillar007, on 04/12/2009, -1/+4Just another old company who would rather fight change than embrace it. When will they learn?
- billraydrums, on 04/12/2009, -0/+3Time to get with the times, AP. You sound like the RIAA already. Shut the ***** up.
- skneils, on 04/12/2009, -5/+8Do you people even understand what the AP is? It's not some monolithic company churning out "old media" news. It is a cooperative that represents 1000s of newspapers, tv stations, etc... oh forget it, the internet is the messiah and bloggers will tell us all we need to know. but what will the bloggers do when their AP sources dry up and they might have to leave their houses and do actual reporting and, like, talk to real people? who cares new media r00lz stfu duh
- Eorster, on 04/12/2009, -0/+3My guess is they would be gone within months.
- mandrake506, on 04/12/2009, -0/+3I sympathize with his indignation. He just learned of this 'Internet' thingy and can't believe they can get away with this!
- tgc1, on 04/12/2009, -0/+3This is what warped Intellectual Property and perverted Copyright laws are doing to the world. Making everyone (mostly big business) a lawsuit happy lunatic.
- TheEngineer2008, on 04/12/2009, -3/+5The headline is right on. Read more than the first sentence -- it's quite clear at whom he's mad.
- asaone, on 04/12/2009, -1/+3Google needs to start it's own news bureaus world wide and really put AP out of business, ***** AP
- exspasticcomics, on 04/12/2009, -0/+2well- we know that the RIAA is useless- & people have started to think about the alternatives.. so long story short- what's the logical alternative to AP? what group, organization or thing does the same function as AP- but supports fair use? (..or to put it another way..) I work at a newspaper & need a good source for international news, events, etc... what are my alternatives?
- aresef, on 04/12/2009, -0/+2As a media guy myself, *headwall.*
I work for a college paper. We're signed up with AP. It's a lot of money right there. - Travelsonic, on 04/12/2009, -2/+4"- that expressly prohibits any reposting, quoting..."
Quoting? Wouldn't fair use be a legit challenge to that? -
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