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- engelb15, on 06/11/2009, -7/+36Um, how can you target the Blackberry when you're only available on Sprint?
Not saying Sprint isn't good, but you kind of need to be on all networks to take on the Blackberry. - Andy.D, on 06/11/2009, -11/+36If you're going from a Treo to a Palm this is a step forward, but if from iPhone to Pre, I think most people would be disappointed. I am not sure this adds up to a blackBerry killer based on arguments in the article, because the Pre doesn't "out-Blackberry" the Blackberry. Instead it is a different approach to communications and multitasking which I think appeals to the business user.
So I think it appeals to BB users, but not because it's a better BB. - ljohnblaze, on 06/12/2009, -4/+21I went from an iPhone to a Pre and I'm not disappointed at all.
- Cole2026, on 06/12/2009, -0/+14I actually have one, and it does. O_o
- BenBenMan, on 06/12/2009, -0/+13Warning: Troll detected
- cmw72, on 06/12/2009, -0/+11Sprint only has six months of exclusivity. After that the Pre will be on several networks. ATT & Verizon have already stated their intent to carry the device.
And beyond that, WebOS is a whole new platform, with another device already in the works (codename: Pixie). - OG1502, on 06/11/2009, -2/+13Good read.
- martinherrera, on 06/11/2009, -5/+16it won't kill the blackberry. The article doesn't even mention device encryption which is a must for a lot of companies. Yes the remote wipe feature is good, but without device encryption, it's useless. If someone is really after your data, do you think they are going to be stupid enough to keep the device running so that it can receive a kill signal? Blackberry Enterprise Server offers so much more then just remote wipe, and until someone comes out with a comparable enterprise solution, it's not going to kill anything
- ninerskeet, on 06/12/2009, -1/+11Horray flashlights and fart apps!
- Rousterfar, on 06/12/2009, -1/+11What a lot of people are missing here is that the Palm Pre & WebOS is a Ver 1.0 product. All 1.0 products have issues. Heck the iPhone OS Ver 1.0 was more of a dumb phone then a true smartphone. Just as the iPhone's OS has evolved, so will the Pre's.
The Pre is also Palm's first phone with WebOS, they are planning more. Unlike the iPhone which has a single form factor that you have to either take it or leave it. - novaseeker, on 06/12/2009, -0/+8The Pre is a hybrid device, trying to split the baby between the iPhone and the BB. It does messaging better than iPhone does. But is not as focused on that as the BB is, and has no encryption (yet). It is going to be a strong player, but the iPhone and BB will still be bigger overall. I prefer it in feel and function to the iPhone, but you can't beat the iPhone's application base and connection to the iTunes system for media. I expect that once Pre hits other carriers (Verizon expected by year-end), it will gain more traction for the fine hybrid device that it is.
- inactive, on 06/12/2009, -3/+11The most suprising thing to me really is that no one is thinking about 2 years into the future when Sprint will have the largest 4g network by far. I can definetly see sprint and palm reverting the iphone to toy status considering AT&T won't have a 4g network until 2011 and sprint's 4g network is already in portland and scheduled for baltimore, phili, and chicago. If Palm stay's afloat it could easily make one of the biggest comeback's by late 2010 or early 2011. The first telephone with dual 3/4g capability that utilize's the capabilities of a 4g network to the fullest (IE: HD content, DVB, MMS, mobile tv, etc) will win. Currently Sprint seem's on track for this while Verizon come's in at a close second which will be starting their 4g network later this year and AT&T is dead last.
- pikelet, on 06/12/2009, -1/+8As much as I like the Pre...you will have to pry my CrackBerry out of my cold, dead hands.
- Vadi0, on 06/12/2009, -3/+10Does it work with Ubuntu out of the box?
- Scanner, on 06/12/2009, -5/+10Sorry, until a new device launches with an enterprise class management system like the BlackBerry they will only be a consumer device. Hot tech doesn't run the corporate IT market, managability, reliability and customer service does.
iphones are toys for the masses, blackberries make the world go round. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 06/12/2009, -0/+4Wow, do you not know the difference between your wishful thinking fanboism and the way the REAL world actually works or what?!
- novaseeker, on 06/12/2009, -0/+4The weakness of AT&T is definitely the network, without question. One has to wonder how much longer Apple with tether itself to AT&T. It's rumored that the Pre will be available on Verizon later this year -- but who knows. Sprint is leading in the network architecture in major areas, but still has quite a few "holes" -- much more than Verizon. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
- Rousterfar, on 06/12/2009, -0/+4Synergy sucks in YOUR opinion. The author of the article obviously didn't agree.
- ninerskeet, on 06/12/2009, -1/+5not if you include monthly phone bill
- junskey, on 06/12/2009, -1/+4actually, the pre is cheaper: http://fortuneapple20.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/ ...
- Cole2026, on 06/12/2009, -1/+4WebOS is based on the linux kernel if I am not mistaken. It is a very stable, reliable kernel that is turning up more and more on phone OS software. Next you idiot: the iPhone is made by Apple, Mac is a brand. You sir, are a flaming moron and your opinion is circular and based on nothing but fairy tales and gum drops. Go back to the magic forest and keep drinking from the kool aid stream--the source of all of the pithy, well thought out statements that come out of your head.
I hate it when people say they have a better opinion than others based on such circular ***** like you just said. I am probably feeding the troll here, but it make me so angry. - qaelith2112, on 06/12/2009, -1/+4The one who declares himself to know more than everyone else is usually just a dangerous fool who is blissfully unaware of just how ignorant he actually is of the topic at hand.
- Urkel, on 06/12/2009, -1/+3Same here. In many ways I miss the iPhones predictive text, apps and straightforward syncing but the Pre physical keyboard, card system and multitasking are really making me more efficient.
I really never felt multitasking was such a big deal, but once you incorporate it in your daily schedule it's something that can't be overlooked in the next gen of EVERY smartphone.
Anyway, both are incredible phones/platforms and we're pretty lucky to see people finally making steps forward because the cellphone industry needed this kick in the pants. - Scanner, on 06/12/2009, -0/+2I'm sorry ArthasLK, what corporate organization do you work for that allows end users to choose their hardware? You are clearly a moron.
jbella: I'm not defending the BB OS or dening that the phones you mention have superior capabilites. What I'm saying is that from an IT standpoint (thats me, the IT guy) until there is a similar enterprise class managment system that directly (and without user installed software) integrates to Exchange/Domino those phones will NOT gain corporate business market share. - jbella, on 06/12/2009, -1/+3The only thing keeping blackberries in most businesses is habit.
THeir OS is hopelessly outdated. Phones that run Android, WebOS and iPhone OS are the way of the future. - regularsteven, on 06/12/2009, -5/+7Can we get something new than 'killer'? I get its a metaphore, but it just ***** me. Who coined this phrase? I don't like them already.
- mrBitch, on 06/12/2009, -0/+2RE: " actually, the pre is cheaper :
http://fortuneapple20.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/ ...
In the U.S. market with AT&T pricing, you are correct.
Everywhere else in the world, the Pre is not available. - trump48257, on 06/12/2009, -1/+3Yea I was very entertained by Bonnie Cha on cnet reviewing it....saying she wouldn't use that term for it just because she doesn't like the term.
- whatit, on 06/12/2009, -1/+3Made by a company called Mac?
The Palm OS is not going to fail just because the device may be more susceptible to mal-ware (is it?).
The iPhone is not the only phone that works at all. Nokia, and Blackberry have been around for much much longer and their phones are just as good.
I got ***** trolled. - ninjacob, on 06/12/2009, -1/+2*FAP*FAP*FAP*
- SangekiRein, on 06/12/2009, -0/+1Blackberry killer? I think not... still a good device though.
- EtherGnat, on 06/12/2009, -0/+1"So any new phone by Palm on the sprint network (or verizon) will kill AT&T and the iphone for at very least 2 years. "
Because people only buy a phone based on how fast the network is? You're forgetting how successful the Edge iPhone was even though most other smartphones were already running on 3G. Sure, some people will switch over to Sprint for 4Gbut there's not going to be some mass exodus. That's just stupid. - devophl, on 06/12/2009, -1/+2This is a very important point. Sprint represents about 13% of the US cell phone market. Verizon is 30% and AT&T is about 34% of the US market. Being exclusive on Sprint for 6 months means it's unavailable to almost 90% of the US market. And Sprint doesn't have the type of user that is going to break down and make the Pre any kind of Blackberry or iPhone killer. I think Palm will have to wait until the device is available on Verizon to see if it really takes off. In the meantime, Palm has 6 months to work out a lot of the bugs. On the other hand, Apple and RIM have 6 months (actually 12 considering the announcement in January) to counter the positives of the Pre.
BTW, I'm not sure AT&T would even take on the Pre since the iPhone and Blackberry are already there. I haven't heard a timeline for a GSM version the Pre which would be needed before being offered on AT&T and T-Mobile networks.
But I have little doubt that Palm sees this as the CDMA iPhone with Blackberry style messaging and it could fit a missing niche for Sprint and Verizon... in the short term. - regularsteven, on 06/12/2009, -0/+1Ahh - Didn't see it, I didn't think I was gonna be the first to think it. Got a link?
- Undertakernv, on 06/12/2009, -0/+1Yes.
- devophl, on 06/12/2009, -1/+2I agree! I have a Treo 650 and am ready to upgrade. I think the Pre will appeal to non-smartphone users on Sprint (and eventually Verizon) but I'm not sure the Pre will convince many Blackberry users to switch because I see the Blackberry as a culture (much like the iPhone users). In this sense, I don't see much of a market at Sprint. Now, Verizon could be a different story.
But to get users to switch, the Pre is going to have apps... and the type of apps we see on the iPhone. But WebOS is not a gaming OS. If you can write it for a browser, it can be written for the Pre but I think a SDK for direct access to the device will be needed for games... sort of like what was developed for the PalmOS emulator.
We'll see... - EtherGnat, on 06/12/2009, -0/+1Well obviously seeing as how everybody in your office doesn't have a cell phone that just came out a week ago it means it isn't going to succeed. Great logic there.
- mrBitch, on 06/12/2009, -1/+2@ DESX, RE: " .. The most suprising thing to me really is that no one is thinking about 2 years into the future when Sprint will have the largest 4g network by far. I can definetly see sprint and palm reverting the iphone to toy status considering AT&T won't have a 4g network until 2011 .. "
Your conclusions completely ignore the fact that the iPhone is not exclusive to the US market.
iPhone is now sold (software unlocked) in 42 countries and 90 carriers :
http://bit.ly/iphone32country
The Pre is selling only in the US, and only on Sprint, which represents about 13% of the US cell phone market.
How exactly is Sprint (possibly) having the largest 4g network in the US going to change the above stats ? - BlueCadenza, on 06/12/2009, -0/+1Umm you're clearly have no ability to follow even your own logic. You accuse people for being hypocritical for saying that the iphone is for fanboys, and then earlier you had gone on to say how the article is strong in fanboyism. So are you as hypocritical as they are, or worse?
- bone625, on 06/12/2009, -0/+1The Pre does sync with iTunes ;)
- Jhonka, on 06/12/2009, -2/+3For someone trying to compare the Pre to a Blackberry, the author sure does talk about Mac OS X and Apple alot.
- robdiggity, on 06/12/2009, -0/+1Nope! They are still making a healthy margin turning out your mom!
- Tenoq, on 06/12/2009, -0/+1Could-based contacts are fantastic if you ask me. The fact all my contacts on my iPhone are the same ones that I see in Google Apps across all my PCs is fantastic. It also means I know my contacts are backed up all the time. I don't need to sync, I don't need to muck around. Everything is OTA.
The Pre has taken it one step further by automating the process for us - although it's not technically a new feature, just like the iPhone did, it makes the same old ***** work better and easy enough for the layman. - mdlestat, on 06/12/2009, -0/+1I've only had my Pre for a few days, but, coming from a BB Pearl, I have to say the differences are significant.
The keys are TINY-- I mean, dude, they're small. But having QWERTY is nice--if I can train myself to hit only one at a time.
The OS is smart, and I like the overall look-- the size of the unit is good, and while it seems downright loose when closed (the whole top and bottom seem like they shift almost 'too' much when it's closed-- is this thing gonna break on me someday?)
I was pleased with the do-everything capability of the Pearl, and if I had gone for the larger version when I upgraded last year, I might have stuck with BB-- it's an excellent, powerful phone. I will be keeping it on my second line.
I have my complaints, but honestly, it's too new and too green to criticize severely--
Overall, I'm happy to have the Pre -- I think this phone is exactly as-advertised-- a clean, innovative compromise for all of us that love the iPhone (and/but HATE AT&T or Apple), and also appreciate the great features BB and Palm have brought to the table-- placed together in a nice, new phone.
App-makers--get yer' arses to work!!! This thing will go from great to brilliant once the OS community gets on-board and really brings this thing to life-- haters be respectful-- the iPhone was only 40% of what it has since become thanks to App developers-- let's respect the platform, and acknowledge that it has just as much (if not more) potential as the iPhone.
PS-- damn, don't let it sync with your gmail, or practically everyone you've ever emailed will freakin end up in your addy book-- STUPID oversight, Palm-- I expect a fix for this in a software update-- I shouldn't have to manually delete every single junk addy entry individually. God, it took me an hour. Give us checkboxes to let us select from the pulled list(s) during an import to choose who we actually WANT in our phone. Many have mentioned this.
I keep my phone clean-- my email addy book? Not so much-- Same with IM. Don't force me to cluster**ck my phone by auto-importing everything it can find.
Overall-- 4/5
I recommend :) - mattbrad2, on 06/12/2009, -0/+0"iPhone is for fanboys and idiots"
Yup, sounds about right. - Pollmak, on 06/12/2009, -0/+0Brain washed Apple boy...lol
- nicc, on 06/12/2009, -1/+1when the article said that calendering was one of RIMs strengths I had a double-take.
as someone who carries around a Blackberry and a iPhone (set up with my work Exchange), the iPhone has MUCH better calendering than the Blackberry!
the ONLY thing I can think of that RIM does better than Apple at the moment is the BES.
email is a wash, iPone has much better document (.doc, .xls, .pdf, etc) handling than RIM and the calendar is definitely pro-iPhone.
good luck to Palm with the Pre. I'll never see one here at work though... - werkerholic, on 06/12/2009, -2/+2I thought Palm went out of business!
- nicc, on 06/12/2009, -2/+2that is because, other than the BES, RIM does nothing better than Apple with regards to Blackberry vs iPhone.
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