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- Dumbledorito, on 02/01/2009, -2/+34Those aren't cracks! They're...
(What did we tell them when the G4 cube started to crack? Oh, right...)
It's a feature! That's simulated wood grain! It's awesome! It's iWood! - rolf, on 02/01/2009, -1/+18clemsontiger,
What exactly does Apple have a monopoly in, to get slapped with anti-trust? Or are you going for some other area of anti-trust? - akaCHUCKTAYLORR, on 02/01/2009, -2/+18grow up everyone... get a different phone if you dont like Apple and AT&T replacing your phone if something goes wrong with it. There are warranties on products for a reason...
- sneaker98, on 02/01/2009, -0/+13...after six replacements?
I would start thinking about a new phone. I've heard good things about the G1? Or the Palm Pre coming up? - dolbinau, on 02/01/2009, -0/+11AT&T users should be thankful they are not on the world's slowest 3G network as I and most Australian iPhone users have had to suffer.
http://apcmag.com/congrats_optus_youre_the_worlds_ ... - thedivinelyevil, on 02/01/2009, -4/+15one american stereotype that'll always hold! americans will sue for any and all reasons, tiniest of them will do. not saying a lot of it hasn't helped america, but some of these just come across as whining.
- sirflibble, on 02/01/2009, -3/+12You need to have a substantial market power and then use that market power to force market share in another market, ie bundling. If for example the iphone was 70% of the market for phones and Apple said you could only use it with a Mac, then that could be considered anti trust.
Having one distributor since being released Apple can probably escape anti trust because they did it before they had a substantial market power (which they still don't) - Nephersir7, on 02/01/2009, -0/+8So, in theory, if Apple had 70% Market share in lets say digital audio players, and decided you could only use it with Apple's online music store, that would be considered antitrust ?
- inactive, on 02/01/2009, -1/+9I have a first generation IPhone and, besides a few scratches on the back, I have no problems with it.
- fugazied, on 02/01/2009, -1/+9There are plenty of other mobile phone providers and plenty of other OS's. No anti-trust here, move along.
- danwgre, on 02/01/2009, -0/+7One of the last times I went to Blockbuster, I given a receipt that was close to 5ft long. Most of it had to do with some obscure class action settlement about late fees.
- AmazingSteve, on 02/01/2009, -1/+7Mine's cracked at the audio jack.
- DigitAl56K, on 02/01/2009, -3/+9What a load of tosh.
Anti-trust is designed to prevent manipulation of markets through non-competitive behavior:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_law - Velnich, on 02/01/2009, -0/+6No best phone I could ever own would require me exchanging it 6 times due to normal wear and tear.
- MacParrot, on 02/01/2009, -1/+7It's that part of anti-trust where clemsontiger just doesn't trust them and is kinda vague on why, but that's good enough for east Texas!
- dolbinau, on 02/01/2009, -0/+5Their policy is to replace single hairline cracks regardless of how they occurred..
- ziggotron, on 02/01/2009, -2/+6I put my iPhone in a protective case the day I took it out of the box, and the case still cracked. They may have or may have not fixed it but it's real. Most common places to find cracks are where the head jack meets the chrome or along the sides where the volume rocker meets the chrome. The iPhone I had had a small crack on the back which eventually got a length to about 1cm.
Fortunately Apple does currently recognise this problem and will replace the iPhone on the spot if you bring it into an Apple store. The genius at the Apple store kindly replaced mine on the spot.
I'm not going to blame Apple if I dropped the phone and cracked the casing, obviously that'd be my problem. Though if the problem lies in Apple cheaping out and using ***** plastics which crack easily under stress/heat or whatever the ***** that's causing it, then Apple should be held responsible.
Just because your iPhone hasn't cracked doesn't mean everyone else is just making ***** up to get some money. I agree this didn't really need a lawsuit, and the people who were affected should just pop by an Apple store to get it replaced but *****, you make it out to sound that everyone else is just a retard and Apple didn't ***** anything up. - Ampidire, on 02/01/2009, -0/+4Never been dropped, it cracks between the volume switches and the chrome lining as well as between the headphone jack and the chrome lining, the smallest pieces of plastic on the phone.
- iconnor, on 02/01/2009, -0/+4So it is okay to say anything to get someone to buy something? If I tell you this 3G phone gets 1Mb/sec download and it actually only gets 56kps - your only remedy is to buy another phone? The problem is you are locked into a 2 year contract with a $250 early termination fee.
This law suite is a tribute to free market. Private citizens can join together to correct a social wrong (for instance misleading and deceptive conduct). - ruarctb, on 02/01/2009, -2/+6In my experience, Apple's trying to find a reason to not replace it.
- inactive, on 02/01/2009, -0/+4Man that's just wigga-wack!
- ScottishMcDuff, on 02/01/2009, -1/+5The first iPhone is around 2 years old. That's not old enough for a touch screen to stop working from normal use.
- Ampidire, on 02/01/2009, -9/+13I'm on my 6th iPhone 3G from cracks in the plastic casing (which they replace without any hassle anyway, annoying that it happens but it hasn't really inconvenienced me to the point of needing to file a lawsuit), and funny thing, it's still the best phone I've ever owned.
- FoxtrotYankee, on 02/01/2009, -0/+3@kmckanna...dumbass
So, your argument is that, because you've had no problems with your single phone, then there's no manufacturing flaw in *any* other iPhone 3G? Really? You really think that's a valid argument?
Users aren't complaining about not having Ethernet speeds. They have a legitimate complaint that their phones can't get *dial-up* speeds in areas where the phone is reading they have a good signal. This is on a network that's advertising "more bars in more places" and "the nation's fastest 3G network". And the problem is that AT&T doesn't provide enough tower density and bandwidth capacity in the field to support the phones they've subscribed.
All of your arguments are invalid. You fail. - inactive, on 02/01/2009, -1/+4Class action lawsuit really need to be banned. Time and time again, they make the lawyers a nice chunk of change, the company pays out a bunch of money, and the supposed "victims" get a $20 store credit. Waste of time and a money. It doesn't do jack for the consumer except give us longer warning labels and more fine print.
- Richandler, on 01/31/2009, -4/+7Because the government subsidizes at least on of them. Lawsuits like regulations on the free market. They don't really do anything but hinder the companies from making a better product. Instead of people buying a different phone for the problems caused by one, they think it's their right to sue someone because they haven't done research or didn't realize the risk in buying a relatively new product.
- inactive, on 02/01/2009, -1/+4Not to mention that its screen can crack in cold weather. It happened to me... when I brought it in to the Apple Store, they replaced it without admitting that that was the problem.
- Raian, on 02/01/2009, -1/+4In Canada (at least in Ontario), the network is actually fairly good (despite the excessive contract and poor plans)-- I have rarely seen the phone go into edge mode, and speeds have always been fast. This is obviously an AT&T issue. Next, the hairline crack... I haven't seen any cracks yet, I just put my phone in my pocket, and it looks almost like new after close to 6 months.
I think this lawsuit is baseless. - inactive, on 02/01/2009, -1/+4A high profit margin does not merit a government intervention. (see Communism)
Get as fat as ytou wish, as long as you pay the required taxes. - Unidaoc, on 02/01/2009, -1/+4Robbery when people pay willingly it is not. I am neither a republican nor a bush supporter, nor a texan. And yet somehow I still think you are an idiot rebrad.
You need justice for the people? High profit margins help all the shareholders and employees of that company. You don't see Apple asking for a bailout do you? That's because they are solid company with solid business practices.
On the other hand, you might be thinking of the large banks and mutual fund companies with their high margins. The problem there was the poor business practices, not the high margins.
It is of course a communal mindset that thinks, share the wealth, don't let anyone make a profit, we all *deserve* ipods. Running a company properly and making a profit is not collecting more than the fair share. - SouthsideIrish, on 02/01/2009, -0/+2Hmm...you mean I can't put music on it from Amazon? And isn't this the same thing Microsoft did with the Zune?
- sirflibble, on 02/01/2009, -0/+2stupidity has nothing to do with regulation of markets.
- Ampidire, on 02/01/2009, -1/+3Funny, whenever I've gone to have mine replaced for cracks they ask me questions about what kind of case I'm using or if I use one at all, and if I keep it in a pocket or a bag, like they actually care about figuring out the issue and regardless of my answers, still replace my phone...
- inactive, on 02/02/2009, -0/+2Clearly, you missed the "intelligent" part. I wasn;t trying to rip Apple a new *****, I was bringing up valid points and looking for an explanation of whether or not they were in violation. With that being said, YOU are the ***** and you clearly know NOTHING about computers. A Macbook, is not a server, It is a computer.AND, as I clearly explained, the inner hardware, is not any different from what you would find in a PC (with the exception of them calling their wireless networking card an "Airport"), it is still a Wireless networking card.
As for your claim about a 6 month old Dell for the price of a 2.5 year old Mac, I'm not buying it. But assuming you are not as full of ***** as you are stupidity, that is clearly not the case now. You can get Quad-core notebooks, with 16 gigs of ram for the price of a Macbook.
Anyway, chime in when you know the difference between a server and a personal computer. - KibibyteBrain, on 02/01/2009, -0/+2Ugh, not again. The Venn diagram of antitrust holds monopoly violations within antitrust violations. You can manipulate the market without being a literal monopoly. Just look at Microsoft, for example. Microsoft actually had far more competition in OS software in the 90s than they do now(NeXT, BeOS, SGI, etc), but they manipulated the markets to a much higher degree then.
Apple has a strong hold on several markets that it leverages at will. It has a substantial percentage of music sales and player sales in the US, which speaks for itself. It thereby controls any convenient music sales to the iPod, and also completely blocks 3rd parties from making software to work with the iPod or iTunes DRM. The very fact that I can't use an iTunes DRM file in Windows Movie Maker but can in iMovie says something...
It also has a large degree of control over specialized applications like like pro video and audio editing, and it can and has used its influence on the ability to control how the frameworks in Mac OSX work to leverage its tools and applications for that platform, which are arguably unique. - Spuy767, on 02/01/2009, -0/+2Hmmm, I've dropped my phone, regularly carry it in my pants pocket, am not overly protective of it, and it still has no cracks. Strange.
- Elranzer, on 02/02/2009, -0/+2Apple could argue that you can technically use music from eMusic, Amazon or any other store that sells generic MP3s (non-DRM).
- Taikero, on 02/01/2009, -0/+2Mine's got several hairline cracks as well, although they're barely noticeable under direct observation in a well-lit room. And yes, this is the white version, which is the only way they'd be visible to me in the first place.
I wouldn't return the phone solely for this reason, but I've got to exchange mine soon because it occasionally thinks the headphones are plugged in even when they're not -- I've tried cleaning out the headphone jack without success and the only way to temporarily fix the problem insert/remove the headphones a few times, but even then, that won't always fix the problem. So I suppose I'll be getting rid of the cracks regardless. Just have to drive over an hour to the nearest Apple Store, which is why I haven't exchanged it yet . . . - inactive, on 02/01/2009, -0/+2If they're such douche bags then maybe don't reward them with your money? Nah, instead lets keep buying their products and then file class action lawsuits which only the enrich lawyers and do nothing for the consumer. Yea, that's a much better plan.
- inactive, on 02/01/2009, -2/+4Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer and welcome intelligent explanation as to if and how I am wrong.
I do believe Apple is guilty of wrongdoing by gouging consumers through unnecessary licensing terms that restrict the use of their software with any compatible hardware that is not distributed by Apple.
A sealed copy of OS X Leopard (bundled with iLife and iWork) can be purchased LEGALLY, direct from Apple, for $169. and WILL operate if installed on a PC (many have already done it and a company called Pystar sells machines with legal copies of OS X installed on them for dirt cheap). The only thing preventing widespread use of OS X on third-party hardware, is Apple's software license stating it's illegal to do so.
A Mac contains zero hardware that is proprietary in functionality. Most people already own machines capable of running OS X and anyone can purchase a non-Apple machine equivalent to the Macbook Pro for around $650 (you can have dual- quad-cores, 16 gigs of ram, bluray and more if you want to spend Macbook money).
Apple is brilliant at marketing, and has a very impressive legal team. But, any claims that Apple's unwarranted regulation of what computer you install the software after you purchase it are invalid. It's simply profiting by requiring us to purchase things that we may not even need. - punkcat, on 02/01/2009, -0/+2you're a poet and you don't know it.
- stuffradio, on 02/01/2009, -0/+1Crap, you mean I shouldn't be using my iPhone as a hockey puck!?
- bingo000, on 02/01/2009, -0/+1A bit too late when you already invested in the overpriced iphone.
- Dumbledorito, on 02/01/2009, -0/+1It's like that old program "Eliza" became about as self-aware as a lobotomized Labrador and escaped. Every post is like magnetic fridge poetry.
- stuffradio, on 02/01/2009, -0/+1The G1 is still lacking in overall stability and is not in Canada yet. I would pick one up if it was offered here, and if it was free if I had to put up with ads :P
- inactive, on 02/02/2009, -0/+1Solitu, I appreciate the civilized feedback and understand what you are saying, but licensed simply means "purchased from Apple" . And that brings me back to my point that there is no legitimate reason for such requirement, other than wanting more of your money.
- azhura, on 02/02/2009, -0/+1And signed a two year contract.
- sneaker98, on 02/02/2009, -0/+1First I've heard of a big problem in stability - sounds like an Apple rumour. I'm sure there are occasional crashes, an unfortunate reality of current software, but that happens on the iPhone, too. I've seen it.
Android is open source - if you love the stability of Firefox, and Linux, you'll start getting that on Android as well. That's the huge advantage of it.
As for availability, you can get it on the Rogers network here, stuffradio. I think there's a hoop or two you have to jump through (ie: an unlocked one on ebay, or stopping in the states to pick one up), but it will work on the Rogers network ( http://oliverfisher.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-g ... ). - spleeyah, on 02/01/2009, -0/+1Law Suite?
- stuffradio, on 02/01/2009, -0/+1I have small sliver cracks on my iPhone screen. Should I get that replaced? If so, how long would it take to replace?
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