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- dsmx, on 08/03/2008, -1/+45Why is it that the people in positions of power seem over the internet seem to have no knowledge on the internet? You would of thought even a few of them would of realised how inaccurate the evidence used against so called file sharers is.
- logandurand, on 08/03/2008, -1/+31The need for solid evidence is an important part of all legal systems. It's depressing to see the burden of proof being put on the defendant.
- latova, on 08/04/2008, -0/+18Guilty until proven innocent. I never thought that with a revolution like the Internet that we'd be actually taking a few steps back.
- Neorio, on 08/04/2008, -2/+13Home taping is killing the music industry.
- desigi, on 08/04/2008, -1/+11Couldn't agree with you more. Why should litigation be any different in this situation than in any others?
- Zarokima, on 08/03/2008, -2/+11would have*
twice - Caled85, on 08/04/2008, -2/+9ya, how about you go read something, http://torrentfreak.com/study-reveals-reckless-ant ...
- Murdats, on 08/04/2008, -2/+9yes but when its a car that can be driven by anyone then what do the police do? accuse the person that someone said had that car at one point in time, do no further research and charge them on the spot? no? its that the music and movie industry feels is fair.
- thepxc, on 08/04/2008, -1/+8Ooh, those tricky, devious lobbyists. Let's recap their fiendish deeds:
Lobbyists: Hey, ISPs. We have shocking news!
ISPs: What is it!?
Lobbyists: Your most expensive customers... are evil!!
ISPs: Haha, yeah, we know. Using the bandwidth we sell them as if we actually have it all, eh lobbyists?
Lobbyists: No, they're really evil! You can refuse them service for it, in fact.
ISPs: Look guys, we were just kidding arou--we can? - Ymeg, on 08/04/2008, -0/+6With enough skill, nothing that is sent or downloaded is completely private.
I would love to see charges against people who steal applications, but the crap that these anti-privacy people are pushing is completely insane. - Caled85, on 08/04/2008, -0/+6Politicians and diapers need to be replaced a regular basis, for the exact same reason.
- whyufail, on 08/04/2008, -1/+6Little girls and fax machines. Don't forget those fax machines and their illegal downloading hijinks.
- wexmajor, on 08/03/2008, -1/+6They're not going to stop anything, there will just be more little girls getting sued for thousands of dollars and having their lives ruined. Who is this helping?
- knopper67, on 08/04/2008, -0/+4Only a few steps?
- hexydes, on 08/04/2008, -0/+4Because in your theoretical construct, the RIAA doesn't make any money, which works against the RIAA's working practice of NEEDING LOTS OF MONEY.
- bingegamer, on 08/04/2008, -0/+4Piracy will continue to exist no matter what. It cannot be eradicated. Try as they might, the ISPs and anti-pirating co.'s alike are just slowing things down for those wishing to distribute and those wishing to obtain. It is easier than ever, with everything free at people's fingertips, and these millions and millions of users will not let this power go away. In other words, if you put up a poll on the main page of Google that asked "Should piracy of all forms continue to remain illegal?," I think the results would be (to us "power users") unsurprising.
- hollyminkowski, on 08/04/2008, -0/+4The torrent community needs to use an encrypted system where data flows through several users computers before finally arriving at its destination. It would require that there be no leechers since everyone would have to carry their own weight. You might have to handle 2mb of traffic just to get a 1mb file downloaded to your machine. The anonymity would be worth the extra bandwidth though. There would be no way to tell if you just received that group of packets for your own download or were just re-encrypting them and passing them on for someone else.
For all anyone would know you could be downloading a new Linux ISO file and not that new blockbuster movie. - karaokekidd, on 08/04/2008, -0/+4That can be a problem as more and more ISP's introduce strict bandwidth caps. My ISP was unlimited until recently, and there isn't much competition. I don't even use torrents and I went over their limit! I use a legal film rental service. I am shopping for a new ISP this week.
- 054k4, on 08/04/2008, -0/+4Because most politicians are old farts.
- Murdats, on 08/04/2008, -2/+5that isnt what they do actually, infact the way the industry gathers 'evidence' is basically the same as pulling a name out of hat, they have accused a dead women who never owned a computer of pirating, they have accused a network printer of pirating and despite the fact that the industry tries to keep their perfect methods secret from scrutiny there have been many reports written on the shoddy way in which they get it.
but hell when you blindly accuse someone of what 90% of the population does evidence doesn't really matter.
and no the police don't just charge someone because they have no other suspects, there is a process called justice that requires for the assumption of innocence unless evidence can be provided otherwise, they dont just say "well we think he did it and we don't know of anyone else that could have, good enough lets throw him in jail"
to see how the industry gets their 'evidence' read the following, though I will assume you are actually part of the industry and don't care much for rational reasoning based off your comments, please gladly prove me wrong.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060803-7416 ... - Khast, on 08/04/2008, -0/+3Between this, and ACTA... I am pretty sure the world will be having a lot of screwed up problems.
99% of the music I download is legal...ACTA gives border guards who have the opinion of my mother "ALL music should be paid for, there is no such thing as free music."...yeah I don't live with mom anymore, but I dare not bring my computer, or mp3 player there when I visit.
ISPs will probably have the same opinion, that freely distributed music is equal to pirated music....there bandwidth problem solved.
It's all about greed, and the little person can't do a damn thing about it. - lAmoebal, on 08/04/2008, -0/+2To prevent diaper rash?
- panicbombs, on 08/04/2008, -0/+2Maximizing Corporations' profits over the publics' good, always and forever.
- inactive, on 08/04/2008, -1/+3So let me get this straight........If you download any sort of audio or video, they can detect exactly where you're getting it, determine if it's legal, and then shut you off? ..............WHAT THE *****?! So the video of a baby laughing/playing with some copyrighted music playing in the background means I just committed a crime and I should get a warning/cutoff?
- zateam, on 08/04/2008, -0/+2Yeah. Don't even *think* about copyrighted music you don't own. They can detect that too. They're everywhere man.
- Atomic1fire, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1You can torrent copyrighted material all you want as long as you have permission to do it, either by paying for it all or finding an agreement that would allow you to do so for free, such as creative commons...
- Ebjius, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1Luckily downloading copyrighted audio/video is legal in my country for consumers.
The Netherlands, ***** yeah... - wigren, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1If you think it's going to change soon, don't get your hopes up. Look at drug laws. The UN actually said 10 years ago that they would have the cannabis plant wiped off the earth by now. How many people has that helped? Now how long until they try that ***** with "piracy"?
- Ebulating, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1Use a torrentflux hosting service with a http relay and ssl encrytpion.
- inactive, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1No. They simply need to connect to the same torrent you are seeding, takes your IP details and contact your ISP.
So if you don't want to get caught then stop torrenting copyrighted material. - mhearne, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1Most of our politicians are actually wearing diapers!
- Kershalt, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1the big problem i see happening is the ones makeing the laws and talking to these people dont see why we need the entertainment so bad and dont want to pay for it. When you have to decide between wether or not you want to buy a CD or movie you want or that food you need most people buy the food. well those who make are laws dont ever have to make those descisions so they dont know what its like to spend 8hours a day with 2 hours worth of entertainment that cost you 80% of your free cash for the month to do. They see this and seem to think were crippleing the industry by not seeing the movies or buying the CD.... most actors and musicians in the past made there money off of live shows or by salary they are paid for continues work not just a one time copy they sell over and over again. they want you to think were the rebels trying to change how the world works when in fact they decided to record there product for others to see and here instead of immitate and now when it isnt working in there favor they want to change it so it does.
- Zadernet, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1This is another reason that I'm voting for Senator Obama in November. We pirates prefer open seas(Internet) and less patrols from the royal navy (anti-piracy groups).
- wigren, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1Your apathy is cancer.
- podforpeace, on 08/04/2008, -0/+0perhaps the pirates will form their own isp consortium. thought the internet was a free space for sharing and to give credit where credit is due. we should be concerned when our privacy is invaded and that spam continues to exist with all the isp security bells and whistles. the entertainment industry best rethink their strategy and offer what the pirates can't hack.
- DontGiveADamn, on 08/04/2008, -4/+4When they disconnect me from the Internet I will find other things to do. The Internet just isn't that important.
- jimbellizzi, on 08/04/2008, -6/+2Someone needs to stop the power hungry RIAA. I'm all for copyright laws and having artists compensated, but instead of wasting millions of the artists money suing the people that are buying your music (even the file sharers buy music or music related products, sorry), why don't we at LEAST use the money to develop new systems and new ways of integrating music into modern society that compensates the artist while identifying stronger with the fans. The old system is dead, and eventually the old guard will go out of business, and the new innovations will rise to the top.
http://www.nettwerk.com/terrysblog/
That guy knows the future of the industry. - stigtsp, on 08/04/2008, -5/+0How about a nice warm cup of... Encryption! Tada!
- locojones, on 08/04/2008, -8/+3What more evidence do you expect? They have logs of the IP address, the time, and the files being exchanged. That's more than enough evidence to satisfy the preponderance of the evidence standard.
- locojones, on 08/04/2008, -8/+3If there are no other conceivable suspects, then that's exactly what they do, charge the owner of the vehicle. That's the way reasoning works. And the way the music and movie industry does things is totally fair. What more do you expect them to do? They gather all the evidence they possibly can before sending a letter. It sounds like you were prefer them to be spying in the window to catch you in the act with photographs or something. Come on, be rational.
- latova, on 08/04/2008, -8/+3Guilty until proven innocent. I never thought that with a revolution like the Internet that we'd be actually taking a few steps back.
- locojones, on 08/04/2008, -10/+2Really? What inaccurate evidence is that? Your IP address and the files that you were seeding? You can damn well bet that if a witness saw your car at a crime scene around the time a crime was committed that you'd be getting a visit from the police regardless whether you were driving or not.
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