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- monkeyrun, on 10/12/2007, -13/+67We should all go demonstrate, because Apple is forcing us to buy song from iTunes.
We ca't buy CDs from record stores anymore :(
Digg so people could see stupidity in action. - sych0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31People demonstrate against the war in Iraq and sending troops into harms way. Doesn't demonstrating against DRM in iTunes seem a little silly by comparison?
- super_spyder, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31I dont really get the problem with the iTunes drm, its pretty flexible. it allows 10 IDENTACAL cd burns, if i change a song or change the order of songs or add/remove a song i can burn another 10 identical cds. Unlimited iPods, and 5 computers can play the music, I have my work iBook (which i dont use for music) my Gaming pc, my server pc, and my Powerbook, if I wanted to i could put the song on all 4 of my computers, and still be able to put it on a friends, and if i get a new computer i can unregister my old one and then put it on the stuff on the new one, and if I forget to unregister it i can ask apple to unregister all my computers and then the next time i go to play a song on any computer all i have to do is put in my password and it works again. I don't know maybe im an idiot for not minding the drm, but I find it doesn't get in the way for me
- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Here's a flickr photo pool of their previous demonstration. Judge for yourself if you want to spend your Saturday handing out leaflets in front of an Apple Store with these cool dudes.
http://flickr.com/photos/tags/defectivebydesign/?page=3 - mdavis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15sponsored by Creative...
- aggieandrew, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14BURN IT TO CD STUPID!
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Are these people kidding?
Maybe they don't remember what life was like before iTunes? There was NO LEGAL WAY to buy just ONE SONG from your favorite artist. You bought an entire CD, or nothing at all.
If you wanted to go the illegal route, you could scour all of the various file sharing networks. They were filled with misnamed songs, truncated songs, radio tapings of songs, etc. If you were lucky enough to find the song you wanted, it might take forever to download because only 2 other people on the planet had it and were connected at the moment.
It was a mess.
iTunes isn't perfect, but it's much, much better than the way things used to be... - WickedDrag0oN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Why isnt anybody outside of Microsoft's website bitching about their DRM? How about protesting Creative Zens? Whys it always gotta be apples fault? You people just dont get it. You dont want DRM dont buy from Itunes, you dont want DRM dont buy from Napster, you dont want DRM dont buy from Rapsody. This is rediculous. You buy an Ipod you use Itunes to download music, hell you can even put regular Mp3's on there asuming they dont have DRM. You buy a Zen use Napster or Rapsody. This concept isnt hard to grasp.
Apple makes no money off Itunes, they only make money off their Ipod sales. So technicly you should be protesting at the RIAA headquarters for setting the terms Apple had to agree to. - TheCheeks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10And who is forcing these poor souls to buy from iTunes? get a cd from a store, it'll be an excuse to see the sun for once.
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Slackers make poor activists.
- codybets, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You all are missing the point. Apple is not the enemy, it is the RIAA**holes.
- MisterCookie, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12I could care less about DRM, I just wish they made iTunes for linux. SharpMusique constantly crashing makes me sad ; ;
- underburn, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16To be fair, I dont trust very many Microsoft products either.
- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Look at this graph of sales from the iTunes Music Store. This tells me that the market thinks Apple has found the right balance between DRM and freedom. Selling over a billion songs and 30 million videos is proof.
http://maddogfog.blogspot.com/2006/02/itunes-song-purchases-plotted-on-graph.html - lpferris, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8For piss sake, spend your time protesting a REAL problem. Idiots.
- inturnaround, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yeah, let's not protest something important...like the war or immigration reform or the raping of our civil liberties. Let's complain about something we don't even need to buy.
You know this country is too rich when we're complaining more loudly about luxury items than politics. - drewpost, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10A Hazard?! What the ***** are you talking about man?! When was the last time you heard about DRM killing someone, giving someone cancer, causing their balls to drop off, burning someone, electrocuting someone etc etc.
SHOW me how DRM is hazardous. It may not be the best thing in the world but open a flipping thesaurus and find another word because hazardous is FAR from the appropriate one.
BTW- If you are going to complain about DRMs being hazardous then iTunes is hardly the one to complain about. It's freakin easy to get around (especially on a Mac) There are FAR more restrictive DRMs out there; And, as a previous poster said www.allofmp3.com is a few clicks away. - bpapa, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Wow, what a bunch of idiots. I might go to the Apple Store to punch these tards in the face.
- DrPhibes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5What These ***** Sticks protesting Apple fail to realize is before the iTunes Music Store, The music industry was on a sinking ship. Now there are more people downloading music legally from iTunes than stealing it off the Internet. I myself enjoy the convenience and quality iTunes provides. I have owned a iPod since the first one came out and haven't had one time where iTunes DRM has interfered with me enjoying my music on my Three iPods, My Computers or on Cd's I have made using iTunes. I don't mind paying for my Music, The artist creating the music don't mind me paying for their hard work either.
- aringarosa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Am I missing something here (apart from bad grammar and poor spelling)?
If you burn an iTunes song to a CD, the software converts the music to a format that is readable on ordinary CD players. Once you re-import it to your PC from the CD, you can play it on any media player.
Presumably, this means you can then also export it to another MP3 player, no? - anthony1124, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@crees! i did my research and you're right... you still had the ability to share you library with others outside of your home network.... people should be having demonstrations in front of Sony BMG, Geffen, Elektra, etc.
the point is obvious. nothing else needs to be said. - citizenpain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4OK, repeat after me, buy the songs off the store, burn to cd, rip cd back to computer, no drm.
Really difficult, you geniuses. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+16I have 3 words for these demonstrators:
Get a job.
Meanwhile, use www.allofmp3.com - pr0t0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4
I don't like DRM as much as the next guy, but seriously, you have to be kidding. You are arguing from the wrong side of the chicken-and-egg scenario.
Without the DRM in the first place, iTunes would have no music catalog at all and it is likely one of the other different music services would have filled the void with greater DRM restrictions. The music store was meant to increase iPod sales, but it is not the reason people buy iPods. I have one and there isn't a single song on it from the iTMS. In fact, all of the people I know who have iPods have purchased few, if any songs from iTMS. They do play MP3s you know.
These protests will give these guys a little bit of visibility, but it sends the wrong message that Apple is doing something wrong. Apple had to offer the music rights holders something of an olive branch or it never would have happened, particularly after the "Rip, Mix, Burn" campaign. I think Apple has done the best job so far in creating a balance between what the RIAA wants and what the users want.
DbD is correct in that content purchased at iTMS locks you in, but that is why I don't buy my content from them. Anyone can exercise that right. In fact, it's so easy not to buy content from iTMS, I intend to spend my entire weekend not buying music from iTMS! - Sonic84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why demonstrate in front of Apple? they should go for the source: RIAA/MPAA
besides, it's not like there aren't ways around Apple's DRM. - lico05, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What a bunch of "Hippies"...
- sych0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The so-called "lies" are actually jokes. People like jokes. People digg jokes.
- BobMac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I'm all for iTunes DRM...it allows Apple to sell music via the internet, and it's never inconvenienced me in any way.
- anthony1124, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7originally itunes didn't have DRM, am I right? remember those commercials with george clinton and a number of other artists that encouraged downloading music from itunes, buying it but also being able to share it with other users who used itunes? exchanging songs "for free," then didn't the labels figure out they'd make more money if apple enforced DRM? i don't think the DRM is apples choice, they don't have a choice, they don't own the music on itunes. .. . so they have to abide by the RIAA rules... or am i wrong?
- octover, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5why don't they protest the RIAA, and major record labels? They are the ones making Apple include the DRM
- Antialias, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Itunes Music Store had DRM from the beginning. There is no way the major music labels would let their music be sold without DRM.
- SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Last week there was an article on digg about this group protesting Microsoft for DRM. You all said it was great. This week they are protesting apple DRM and you all say they are idiots who should have things thrown at them. The fact is when you buy songs from itunes, you are locking yourself in to only using apple mp3 players for the rest of your life, or as least as long as you want to be able to hear those songs. Sure you can burn them to a CD and then rip them from the CD as a non-restricted file, but this is just a hack, and it results in some loss of quality, in addition to the cost of blank CDs and the time spent burning and ripping all your music 18 tracks at a time. If apple opened up their DRM so it would work on any mp3 player (which they will never do, because then they can't lock you in to using only ipods) I think a lot of these protests would go away. People would still dislike the concept of DRM restricting what they can do with property that they legally buy, but it wouldn't interfere with the daily use of files for most people, so they probably wouldn't care. Similar to how the ipod cult don't care because they have already decided that they will only use mp3 players made by apple, so it doesn't matter to them if they are locked in. The ideal solution is eliminating all DRM, but this will not happen until companies realize and accept that their content WILL be made available for free illegal download online no matter how they attempt to prevent this from happening. When they accept this fact, they should stop treating their paying customers like criminals and let people do what they want with the files that they legally purchased. Currently an "illegally" downloaded mp3 that can be obtained for free has more features and flexibility than the song you paid a dollar or more for "legally." The correct economic incentive would be for people who pay money to get more than people who don't, but the current DRM situation has this backwards. The more money you pay, they less features and flexibility your downloaded file has. Pay more, get less. Pay nothing, get more. This is why "piracy" is increasing at such a rapid rate. The whole system needs to be changed drastically to eliminate this inefficiency.
- ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5What's the point of protesting now? Maybe they should have started before Apple sold a BILLION songs.
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3WTF? Don't you have worse DRM to boycott?
- Leviss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3wow good way to show people that DRM is bad... insult them!
on a sidenote you both have gone off the deep end with this if you dont like it dont use it... simple as that - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@money
Rhythmbox works amazing for linux, and has a live search, all the good stuff. - jeru48, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3anthony1124 - iTunes has never had DRM, the music you buy from the iTunes Music store does however. A small distinction, but none the less.
The ads you speak of were before ITMS, and yes they featured George Clinton, but the idea was to buy your own CD, make a mix of your favorite songs and then share them (and the record industry got mad at that too). - Tiemmothi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The nice thing about this country is your right to protest pretty much anything you want (baring the obvious things that infringe on other peoples rights). Protests in general open up dialog on things and bring them out into a more open environment. I might not agree with why there protesting but more power to them at least they have the determination to do more than sit on their fat asses and complain about it on a web based forum.
- Quarem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Good for them. Although iTunes' DRM is fairly loose as far as DRM schemes go I am still annoyed that I cannot listen to my music on some devices. For example any of my iTMS music will not play on my Xbox 360.
Although I doubt DRM will be going away anytime soon it is good for Apple and others to get the message the users do not like the arbitrary restrictions that DRM places on their music. Perhaps this can help spur an industry standard for DRM schemes where interoperability between all devices adhering to the standard could be achieved. As it stands now corporations are using DRM as barriers to entry in the music industry, which could potentially stifle innovation.
At the end of the day I want my music to be mine. - bbqribs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3These people are idiots. This is stupid. The only reason these idiots are pulling this stunt is because it's against Apple and is guaranteed to get them some press coverage.
- jasontho, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3WTF theres no way the record labels would let us have downloadable unprotected mp3's! If you want to get rid of the DRm just rip it to a CD and re-import it. *****!
- SpyDerMann, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Fighting DRM is fighting for freedom of speech. This isn't just about copying the latest britney song. This is about restricting content creation and publishing, and leaving it in the hands of the powerful.
The real problem with DRM isn't DRM in itself, but DMCA laws, which make breaking DRM (even by fair use) ILLEGAL.
If you wonder what's so dangerous in that, perhaps you should ask yourself why chinese people can't google for Tiananmen Square. - VeganG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The people that they're trying to educate probably have never heard the term "DRM" before in their lives, yet their flyer makes references to DRM without even explaining what is IS.
- SpyDerMann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Isn't DRM a necessary evil?"
No. It's an UNNECESSARY evil. Fighting copyright infringement should be a lawsuit business. But leave the file formats ALONE. - tokyopimp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4See I think people are getting this all mixed up. Music is not a traditonal "product". It's an intellectual property, just like art, and books, etc.
I don't like the MPAA, or the RIAA either. I think there tactics suck, and they suck. But I also want to see artist get paid, and so should everyone. Just imagine if you spent 1-2 years writing a book, or composing music, and you want to be compensated for all this work. You'd be pissed off to if you never made a dime, and people just went on stealing, and photo copying your work and distributing it freely?
It's amazing to me, becuase before iTunes in Napsters hey day everyone complained and said, "I don't want to buy CD's becuase I only like one or two songs the rest sucks." iTunes and other services come along, they compromise with the record companies and the end users by offering a la carte music, even allowing you to burn the songs ten times onto a CD, and you still complain?
Some complain about lossy quality. Like myself, I want pristine quality (even though 128 AACs are very good) I just choose to purchase my CD's legally. I don't buy a ton of music, but I support artist I like. Other artist, I go the a la carte route via download services.
Suffice to what some of you think, you do not have the right to do whatever you want with said song, or ip. Get over it, and stop bitching becuase iTunes, and napster have done the right thing, buy compensating artist, and the record companies, and giving music fans a lot of freedom.
Stop bitching. - CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It's important but obscenely nerdy... I hate these dilemmas.
- Poco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"And when they decide that allowing you to burn is too dangerous?"
Then you stop buying music from iTunes and start downloading it free or buying CDs. - jeru48, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"The point isn't that Apple forces people to buy DRM'd music, the point is that DRM is a danger to all technology, and _must_ be abolished. No company should ever be allowed to sell you a product that takes away your freedom."
Say that again? How does the DRM from iTunes Music Store take away your freedom? I mean if you bought it you knew about the limitations from the beginning right? How does that "take away your freedom." Perhaps you should write to Microsoft and complain that they don't run Linux software ... or to Ford and complain that it doesn't run like a BMW ... - MrViklund, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2bieber, then just don't buy music from iTunes... Simple is that.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2iTunes would have never even existed if Apple refused to support DRM. These people are just morons. If you don't like iTunes buy a CD or suffer with a DRM-less service with horrible selection.
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