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- ApokalypseNow, on 10/06/2009, -0/+75So, what's the difference between what this guy did and what, say, a helicopter news crew might be doing in the same situation? Both would be actively reporting the live movements of the police here, but the news crew wouldn't be arrested for it.
- awtripp, on 10/06/2009, -1/+541 tweet if by land 2 tweets if by sea!
- the8thbit, on 10/06/2009, -3/+52One is an anarchist, an individual, and doesn't have a ***** ton of cash, so it's okay to violate his rights.
Also, he had a picture of Lenin in his apartment, that dirty red!
/s, of course. - getlogicated, on 10/06/2009, -3/+47Basically he was arrested for preventing future 'crime' from happening. And that is if you call utilizing your 1st amendment a crime.
"----Madison was found in a hotel room by Pennsylvania State Police on September 24, armed with police scanners and computers so that he could disperse critical information to protesters. According to the FBI, Madison was "directing others, specifically protesters of the G-20 summit, in order to avoid apprehension after a lawful order to disperse."----"
Are you ***** kidding me???!!! - dtele, on 10/06/2009, -0/+41My mom thinks anarchists must be OK because they publish cooking books.
- bgturk, on 10/05/2009, -0/+38Before they had to torture to find out who your accomplices were, now they just need to look at your facebook account.
- richmomz, on 10/06/2009, -2/+39So, let me get this straight - it's praiseworthy for Tweeting protestors to organize in Iran, but *NOT* in America?
- DamnMan, on 10/06/2009, -1/+37His mistake strengthens the whole idea of dissonance. Now not only is he a martyr, we know we need to use TOR, darknets, or run an SSH tunnel to another country. Short of a quantum computer sitting in a basement in Quantico(or a flaw in a given encryption scheme) there is nothing they can do about it like sort, flag, or otherwise see your traffic in any meaningful way.
You can go really low tech and just use codewords. "we got a pound of bacon on 4th and Grand. Diners be advised." Throw in a little white noise masking by having half a dozen other twitter users tweet similar but useless crap making it harder for them to figure out which one is giving real information and which ones are just waisting their time tracking down.
How meta. Did I just break the law by telling you how to break the law so you can break the law by telling people how to break the law? - spiralfunk, on 10/06/2009, -0/+34The revolution will not be twitterized.
- vtnerd, on 10/06/2009, -1/+34So how did he violate the law exactly? I hope he's able to sue these agencies out of existence for harassment.
- anaclagon, on 10/06/2009, -3/+35I read it as 'anitchrist' I was like wow they finally caught him.
- cfuse, on 10/06/2009, -0/+28But they still torture you, just to be polite.
- matthekc, on 10/06/2009, -2/+28Stupid Iran... oh wait ... :O
- thomr, on 10/06/2009, -3/+28The line between journalists and the general public continues to blur, and the police and other people in authority are seizing the opportunity to do away with first amendment protections as quickly as they can.
- MacParrot, on 10/06/2009, -0/+211/100 of a nit
- durruticolumn, on 10/06/2009, -2/+18
Anarchists are against government, not against organization.
Anarchism means federations, syndicates, collectives, recallable delegations, and direct democracy. - synapz, on 10/06/2009, -2/+17"For upwards of two years from the commencement of the American war, and a longer period in several of the American states, there were no established forms of government. The old governments had been abolished, and the country was too much occupied in defense to employ its attention in establishing new governments; yet, during this interval, order and harmony were preserved as inviolate as in any country in Europe. There is a natural aptness in man, and more so in society, because it embraces a greater variety of abilities and resources, to accommodate itself to whatever situation it is in. The instant formal government is abolished, society begins to act. A general association takes place, and common interest produces common security." -Thomas Paine
- dgendreau, on 10/06/2009, -0/+14Better yet, how is this any different from truckers warning each other via CB radio about police radar traps?
- z0rk, on 10/06/2009, -1/+15ummm if its illegal to own a police scanner then why can i buy one at walmart?
- Zaxcomp, on 10/06/2009, -0/+14If the police are broadcasting on frequencies the public can pick up with off the shelf radio equipment, that means every person would be able to find out where the police were moving. Meaning, he was publishing knowledge that aught to be considered public. I very much feel like he will win this case.
- cheesecake42, on 10/06/2009, -1/+15Anarchy and Lenin does not mix.
- pinchduck, on 10/06/2009, -0/+13I love your post. Note to subversives: Take a few days to learn codes and ciphers.
Here's a start:
"My mom makes great apple pie" = turn left down main street
"I love vanilla ice cream" = turn right down main street - gsfgf, on 10/06/2009, -2/+15I was all set to talk trash about Europe, and then I saw this happened in America.
I miss freedom. - JustLetGo, on 10/06/2009, -2/+15I'm sorry.
- RudeTurnip, on 10/06/2009, -3/+15It would be a pretty polite society and Roman Polanski would have been skinned and hung from a lamp post.
- govtdoesnotwork, on 10/06/2009, -1/+12I'd trust an anarchist who wants no government any day over a preacher who accepts without question the idea of a government costing many multiples of a tithe, and encourages such a large government by never questioning it despite the clear words of the Bible itself. So, buried.
- durruticolumn, on 10/06/2009, -0/+11
"I'm sure they would have loved Russia right after the revolution or Germany in the 1930's. I mean look how well that worked out?"
No, not at all. Where in the world would you get that idea? Anarchists love Spain in 1936, the Zapatistas, and the Iroquois Confederacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_to_Catalonia
http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/mexico/comment/an ...
http://www.nefac.net/anarchiststudyofiroquois
Germany in the 1930's was a constitutional republic, and the while the "soviets" (lower case 's', the community organizations that the USSR took their name from) were directly democratic, the centralized state ran by the Bolsheviks crushed their power almost immediately after seizing state control. - MacParrot, on 10/06/2009, -1/+12Sue the FBI and local Police out of business? Good luck with that. If Anarchists DID come to power the lawyers would be the first against the wall so how would he sue them anyway?
- Cracken, on 10/06/2009, -1/+11Sounds like an open and shut case to me in "the land of the free."
/s for those who know no better - djAnakin, on 10/06/2009, -1/+11Doesn't the constitution gaurentee my right to protest?
Which would mean there can't be such thing as a 'lawful order to dispurse'? - CedEx, on 10/06/2009, -0/+9It's tradition.
- durruticolumn, on 10/06/2009, -1/+10
My guess is the lenin picture was ironic. A lot of anarchists I know will have commie memorabilia like that as a joke. - durruticolumn, on 10/06/2009, -0/+8
Journalists are not a privileged caste. You cannot afford "official" journalists greater rights and freedoms than "unofficial" ones. - angusm, on 10/06/2009, -0/+8The question that no one seems to be asking - and which I haven't seen answered by any of the articles I've read - is, "How did they find him?"
In the space of time that the protest was going on, the cops were apparently able to notice that someone was tweeting their movements, identify the owner of the Twitter account, trace him to a particular hotel room, and send the heat to his door. That's quick work.
I'd be surprised if they could have got an IP address from Twitter without involving lawyers, which would have taken time. My guess is that they knew about him beforehand and knew exactly where to find him. Which means that one of Mr Madison's "friends" probably isn't his friend after all.
Even if Mr Madison didn't make the mistake of trusting someone he shouldn't have trusted, he probably made a mistake by doing both the scanning and the tweeting. The smart move would have been for him to use a back channel - such as a cellphone or IM - to pass information to someone in another state, and have them tweet out the updates. - RudeTurnip, on 10/06/2009, -1/+8I don't think anarchists are against government; they're against organized government.
- DamnMan, on 10/06/2009, -2/+8telling people who have not, to anyones knowledge, broken any laws where cops are is now illegal?
***** better arrest every ***** radio DJ in the United States for broadcasting known speed trap locations. The intent to break the law is much clearer than this dudes case. Knowing where speed traps are explicitly tells you when not to speed/break the law. - Cerebron, on 10/06/2009, -0/+6The problem here, is there are simply too many laws on the books for anyone to safely become an anarchist.
Any DA or prosecuting attorney only needs a few minutes, and he can come up with a dozen laws to charge anyone with having broken, and use that to bully anyone into submission.
Goodbye justice, say hi to rule of law. - Zaxcomp, on 10/06/2009, -1/+7You seem to be really happy to keep babbiling on about unlawful use of police equipment. You can go buy a police scanner at wal-mart. Most departments broadcast on public frequency, meaning, anyone reading his "tweets" had the potential to lawfully intercept their transmissions. In effect he was broadcasting public knowledge.
- theonlywizdum, on 10/06/2009, -0/+6I'm not saying that using TOR and everything is a bad idea, just that it would not have helped this person because he used an account registered in his name.
- Sargel, on 10/06/2009, -1/+7Reverse Pinocchio Disorder is a disorder in which a real boy gains his strings and becomes a puppet. At least he'll stay out of trouble...
- DJMattB241, on 10/06/2009, -1/+7Being a vegetarian is hardly rebellious. Who are you rebelling against? McDonalds?
I'm not saying being vegetarian is bad, or easy. Hell, you are a better man than me if you're able to stick with that.
I plan on still being an anarchist when I'm 41. I just hope I have the balls to be as active as this guy is.
I apologize for insulting you, I just hate it when people crap on important things like rebellion and freedom, and that's what I thought you were doing. My fault. - richmomz, on 10/06/2009, -2/+8Not in this country anyway.
- the8thbit, on 10/06/2009, -3/+9What the ***** is an anit?
- MacParrot, on 10/06/2009, -5/+11You forgot the /s tag
- dynamojoe, on 10/06/2009, -0/+6Even if the charges don't stick (and it's pretty likely they won't) the police involved have laid a blow to the first amendment. Now the plan seems to be to just arrest someone to get them off the street and force them to go with either dodgy public defense or their own well-paid lawyer.
Even if they win, they lose twice: they weren't able to protest and had to pay legal fees. - Myonosken, on 10/06/2009, -0/+5Lawl, you were buried for that? Is the ZOMG COMMIES idea still living on or something?
- durruticolumn, on 10/06/2009, -0/+5
The question of how to fill a power vacuum is a debate that anarchists constantly have, but the destabilization of Germany in the 1930's and the Russian revolution were hardly the work of anarchists. Anarchists may have played a role, but had they not been involved at all, it's unlikely the outcome would have been any different.
Anarchist democratic processes are no more endless than constitutional liberal democracies are. All democracy takes time, and the appeal of dictatorship is that you can circumvent that time-consuming process, but that doesn't mean we should abandon all democracies because some people are impatient. - Zaxcomp, on 10/06/2009, -0/+5I try to avoid the police in my daily life, and do nothing illegal. Police carry guns, tasers, and pepper spray. They are also people, meaning they are prone to acting on emotion, in turn, acting without logic. Furthermore, their job is to find people breaking the law, when your task is to find something, you have a proclivity to being affect by cognitive bias, seeing things not as how they are, but how they are most advantageous to you.
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