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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+55I didn't realize that the RIAA had any justified lawsuits.
- dweeb79, on 10/12/2007, -4/+58This is another lame RIAA attempt to destroy what people love and are willing to pay for....
Their is no justification for selling a song on ITUNES for 99cents or a full album for 10 bucks when all u get is a DRM protected piece of trash that doesn't come with a CASE or photos.
allofmp3.com has given people exactly what they want FREEDOM at an affordable cost. - tewas, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37I will open account with AllOfMP3, just to piss RIAA of and i don't mind paying 3$ for full album
In other news, RIAA won't get sh*t from this lawsuit because they have no jurisdiction in Russia. - albinoMithos, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26What man? The RIAA is more akin to a whiny bitch if you can even call it that...might be insulting to the whiny bitch.
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Can the Russians just hurry up and slip the RIAA some polonium-210.
- digitalrift, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22[insert witty russian reversal here]
- asauterChicago, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17This is interesting, before the RIAA suits I never heard of AllofMP3.com (I was purchasing through iTunes @ 99 cents). Thanks to all the press about this, I have just discovered this site. Allofmp3 is AWESOME, you can even download lossless versions of the song. Thanks RIAA!! You just made my downloading much easier, I don't even have to use the buggy iTunes interface :-D!!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I wonder when the RIAA will figure out they have to give Russian politicians free golf trips.
- DeepDoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14free, yes.
The artists deserve to be paid for their work. But once you buy a song once, you should be free to put it on your PC, a CD, background music for that DVD of your vacation you just made, or your digital music player of your choice. Current DRM is too restrictive because the record companies are involved. Not to mention that the artists receive little money from the current system either in CD sales or download sales. I used to be a professional musician. I would love to have had the distribution technology available today. I would have put our work on Kazaa, burned my own CDs to sell at the gigs and on my website, and never have needed to whore out to a record company for anything. Most artists make most of their money from live shows. In a typical first record deal, if you sell 100,000 albums, you are going to make about $20,000 which is going to be split up among the band. Thats only $5000 each for a quartet. The reason is that everything comes out of the artist's cut, not the label's cut. Stuff like cost of music video production, cover art, and promotional fees get paid by the artist, not the label. So if I were still doing that, I would say screw the labels, I can do everything they have traditionally done myself now. From distribution to sales to promotion, the labels are no longer needed. - VargVikernes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14For anyone who has trouble understanding how stupid this lawsuit is, here's an example: Imagine a country A where internet porn is illegal and citizens of that country regularly go to online to watch porn from a website who's servers are located in country B where internet porn is fully legal. Now imagine this country suing the (legal operating) company from country B that owns that site, because internet porn is illegal in country A. This is basically what this comes down to. This is the same scenario as with PirateBay and many others. It _MIGHT_ be wrong, but it's still perfectly legal in that country.
If the RIAA has some much trouble with AllOfMp3 why don't they put pressure on the US ISP's to block the site?
Just because it's illegal in Germany to make the "nazi salute", that doesn't stop some American to have a damn nazi rally in a park and the German government can't do ***** about it. It's morally wrong, but it's legal. That's how I feel about AllOfMp3 and all the torrent sites. Hell, no one is moral when there's money to be made. - Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Cause Halodude would totally get the room number wrong no matter how many times you told him.
- Cougaboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@Halodude1489
It's early, so I might be misreading this, but didn't you add a few too many zeroes in there? Russia's GDP is 775,000,000,000 (775 billion). The RIAA is actually asking for about 1/7th of the United States' GDP, and over twice what all of Russia has to offer. - eddie72, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Hope AllOfMP3 gets through the BS storm. This just adds one more hatred tick from me for the RIAA.
- nfvs, on 08/30/2008, -2/+14In Soviet Russia, witty Russian reversal inserts you!
- pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Holy *****! I just went to Allofmp3.com and they have a new Switchfoot album for less than $2! I'm signing up right now!
- vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12You know what? I think I'm going to file a baseless trillion dollar lawsuit against some random overseas company that doesn't even operate in the US. Knowing full well that they will never show up, and I will get a default judgment, but probably never see a single cent.
Oh, wait... No I wont... Because it's ***** RETARDED.
What a bunch of brain dead morons. If they have a problem with a Russian company, they should take it up with a Russian court. Oh wait, that would be a waste of time too, because allofmp3 is legal there. But surely they should have the argument that they have been withheld their due royalties? What's that you say? All they have to do is register with ROMS and they will get the royalties? Amazing. Me calling them brain dead morons, degrades brain dead morons everywhere, we need to come up with a new term for these *****. - omababy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11the way I see it is as every day passes its exactly one day closer to the imminent demise of music cartels. No more artificially inflated prices, we've heard all the excuses before and we know their *****.. Just die already.
Rock on Allofmp3, illuminate the way for consumer rights and freedoms. - DeepDoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11you know what the record companies could do to improve CD sales?
MAKE A !@#@! CD WITH MORE THAN ONE GOOD SONG ON IT!! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I wonder if AllOfMp3 is giving out campaign contributions like the RIAA is?
- DoodlesMcPooh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@Conto1987
Do you work for the RIAA or are you just misguided? - johndi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The RIAA doesn't own the copyrights so they shouldn't be allowed to sue. By banding together in a cartel it makes it harder to boycott the recording labels that blindly sue anyone in massive john doe cases. EMI, Sony, or the other labels should be able to sue, but would be held accountable by consumers when they sue grandmas and little kids. Instead they hide behind the RIAA and get away with extortion style lawsuits.
- LayZAss2I, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9This whole lawsuit and the fact that AllofMP3 are taking a stand will probably create a bunch of news that just leads more traffic to their website as publicity increases. I know I just went to their website recently to register and will probably buy a few albums for cheap.
- DeepDoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10You guys seen the RIAA guy in South Park?
"I am above the law!!" is his quote any time some one questions him on legalities - tewas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@Varg
Russia is too big of a country to put pressure on it. Also it is crazy country who don't care about US laws and stuff. I seriously doubt that they will change laws in Russia
@Conto
AllOFMp3 pays for royalties for music that is sell. They don't steal it. Only thing that they do it don't add stupid DRM's and don't charge you and me insane amounts of money. Digital song DOES NOT cost 99 cents. it's way less and AllOfMp3 has real price. As example look at movie industry. We (US consumers) have to pay 15$+ for dvd of our choice while in china, same legal dvd's from same movie studios costs about 3$. Would you be stealing if you buy your movies in china and ship to your place? I don't think so - Halodude1489, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14I love how the RIAA is trying to sue them for 1.75 TRILLION USD when all of Russia itself, only makes around $775,000,000,000,000. So that means they want 1/7th of Russia's GDP for pirateing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29 for the statistics. - uthreek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"In soviet Russia mp3 files play you!"...
Honestly, guys, this is just crazy to wait until everybody will really see the truth... This is all not about RIAA being a righteous defender of intellectual property... This is all about DRM. If those fat rats we're interested in protecting the rights, they could just bought it out already - just put forward some ridiculous (for them) money, 5-6 millions, and they could have all of this allofmp3 brought to their feet wrapped up and shiny.
What really pisses them off is a distribution technology - you get a DRM-FREE music in ANY FORMAT YOU LIKE for A FAIR PRICE... Who do you think you are? Why would they give away those ingenious Vanilla Ice masterpieces for so little and even let you listen the on any device you want? You're the just a cattle which is only good at giving away it's money....
I live in Russia and I perfectly know that the practices of AllOfMp3 use are not that fair it should be to make a statements about an unjust trial... And guess what? I do want to pay for the music although I live in a country of Stalin and bears walking on the streets and playing balalaika (as it could be imagined by those who exploit Russian Reversal so much), but I want to get is the way I want and want to pay the price I feel right, as there is really no competition on price since MPAA cartel is setting the it.
So until the media market becomes fair I salute AllOfMp3 as they are the flagship of the consumers' fight for their right is the field of music distribution, the give the people the choice thy need and sports a great usability of service... what is sad is that their ship has a Black Roger above it.... - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I remember when the RIAA tried suing someone for downloading some Avril Lavigne... Canada's biggest record label sided with the citizen and vowed to pay the fine if they lost the case. I'm pretty sure the case was dismissed, as nothing more was every heard about it again.
"Litigation is not 'artist development'. Litigation is a deterrent to creativity and passion and it is hurting the business I love." - ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@lhnz
And while you keep doing that, they sue dead people and 3-year old kids. So just denounce yourself for the sake of your argument.
Anyway, it's also unconstitutional (Eighth Amendment). - lhnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Your country will be proud of you. For such a courageous act.
- Cougaboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Halodude -
You've still got one too many zeroes. According to the article, Russia has 763,287 millions of dollars, which translates into 763,287,000,000, which is still in the billions. There are only 9 coutries with GPDs in the trillions, and Russia isn't one of them. - dmsean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6RE: conto1987
right because these men in business suits are *making* the music and the artist gets all the money I pay for the music directly...no middle men...
BLAH
All I have to say is...the mainstream music in 70's sucked. in the 80's it sucked. in the 90's it sucked. today, it sucks even more. I pay for indie stuff that the RIAA has nothing to do with....so these organizations you're telling me to *think* about...well they suck and make ***** music
As for stealing from thieves, I see no moral issues here...move along people. - DeepDoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@Conto
allofmp3.com does pay royalties, all the labels have to do is register to receive them. The RIAA is just ticked about the lack of DRM and upset that you will only have to buy a song once from allofmp3.com even if you want to have it on your PC and MP3 player *gasp* at the same time!
That is not piracy. At least not by my definition of piracy. - shyboyswin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Did the RIAA forget what happened with ThePirateBay?
- mynameistim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6is free music that i can listen to anywhere i want too much to ask?
- kethraal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@conto1987
Clearly you're not from the RIAA -- at least their C&D letters have decent, somewhat-understandable sentances.
It's not stealing because it's legal in Russia. Allofmp3.com actually pays royalties to ROMS (the Russian organization responsible for licensing music in Russia). ROMS and Allofmp3 have both publicly confirmed this -- and they've also confirmed that they will pay these royalties (which are currently being held) to the appropriate rights holders, if the rights holders ask for them. The RIAA didn't ask. If they were really worried about the money, they'd simply have to ask ROMS, prove their ownership of the rights, and they'd receive their cut. Since they didn't, one can only assume that their motivations are not financial.
Allofmp3.com is legal. It's 100% above-board in Russia. It operates in a grey area as far as US citizens are concerned (just as it's legal to bring back pirated CDs from China, but not legal to pirate software in the US.) The law can be twisted either way -- but there's no clear prohibition of it in US copyright law.
Of course, the RIAA would like to shut them down. Since they're technically legal, they are an actual corporate threat to the RIAA, and since they sell songs for reasonable prices, they have the potential to eat the RIAA's business model alive.
I'm sorry that you've bought into the RIAA FUD -- but I hope that after reading my post, you'll have a slightly better understanding of what you were blathering on about. - rzurad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@Backwards2
The EFF probably wont get involved because their whole deal is protecting First Amendment rights on the internet. Since Russia doesnt abide by the US Constitution (a notion that the RIAA has yet to fathom), the EFF can't really get involved, because its not in their ballpark. - timla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Here is the way I see it
1) This is a stunt by the RIAA, even if they win the only real thing they accomplish is making themselves "persona nongrata" in the US. Probably not a big deal for them. The RIAA has already tried to take away the money by getting Visa/MC to revoke mediaservice's merchant account, which has not worked.
2) While the price is good, the NO DRM thing is what keeps most users coming back. Just the freedom of not worrying about what happens if my music provider goes under, or I get a new PC, or new MP3 player, or new Cell Phone, is enough to get folks hooked.
3) The RIAA is clueless about what makes consumers tick. - Kamorra2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4MP3search.ru is another one I've come across. Why haven't I heard anything about that site? It's even cheaper than ALLofMP3. They're just getting ignored?
The RIAA is a bunch of bastards. I'm glad someone finally stood up to them.
As for the record labels, this is what you get for butt raping us for so many years. - demonicume, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7why dont ya'll two get a room?
- pjwii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Dear god WILL THIS JOKE NEVER DIE?@!#
- tropican8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4AllofMP3 doesn't have to make a statement. Anyone can figure out that a 1.65 Trillion-dollar lawsuit is unjustified. Seriously, its not even like a real number.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ Conto
"an article from the RIAA"
Well, there's your problem right there.
Single source arguements are not good, especially when that source has such a vested interest in the argument. - VargVikernes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Don't worry. AllofMp3 will go down some day. There are (according to RIAA) billions of dollars involved here, so you can expect US to put pressure on Russia to reform their copyright laws.
I still don't get why don't these people register their company somewhere like China or North Korea and have the servers there. You can still maintain them over the net and/or hire some people in that country to maintain them. - kethraal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The cost difference is because they don't license from the RIAA, but rather from ROMS. They do actually pay royalties -- in fact, they pay pretty close to what's actually passed down to the artists in the US. ROMS holds the royalties until the rights holders ask for them, at which point they pay them out. Kinda like an escrow service, but for music royalties.
This is how every radio station in Russia operates -- and Allofmp3 works the same way. Now you can argue that Russian law shouldn't allow that, but it does. And since the law allows it, it's legal.
P.S. What was all that stuff about porn? Freud would love your post... - Kamorra2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why pay for stolen music?
Because I am so incredibly lazy that I'd rather pay $1.50/cd and have it all nicely laid out for me with fast download speeds. I'd rather pay than have to actually look for stuff. There you have it.
I agree with you about paying to see bands live. You're 100% correct. It weeds the good bands out from the ***** bands that can't play live. - sven007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2why don't you go to allofmp3.com and download that one song for 28 cents ;) then find the covers on amazon.
just kidding around :) - syco123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2When will the industry realize the only way to combat pirates is to give the people what they want.
allofmp3USA.com run by the RIAA selling at the same or less price.
So 1 person dls an album at $10 from i tunes.
20 people dl the same album from allofmp3.com at $3
Its not tricky to see why lower price means more money, in this low cost method of distribution.
So no DRM means happy customers and low prices mean less pirating.
Its a freekin no brainer, RIAA wake up!!!! - tewas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@shoopdawhoop
If someone can pay less for same content, i would like to get same price too. To ask more from me you need offer more for me, and as of today the only thing they offer to me is more DRM, thank you but i will pass on this candy. Call me what you want but i compare price where i can and then shop. If i get more bang for my buck by paying Russians, i don't mind at all. - NJank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2but that has absolutely nothing to do with legalities of copyright on those songs, good or bad.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For those of you that say that the AllofMP3 business model is stealing from the artist, check out Magnatune.com. They are a USA-based business that is very much like AllofMP3, except their catalog is non-label. No DRM, you get to listen to entire tracks before you buy, and you determine a fair price. Instead of 25 cents an album (what artists get in the USA from RIAA labels), Magnatune pays 50%. If you think an entire album is worth only $1, the artist get 50 cents - twice what they would get from an RIAA label. Read the "Why we are not evil" section of their web page, and you'll get a good perspective on why the RIAA is evil. http://magnatune.com/info/whynotevil
If you want to support artists, go non-label. Better music, lower cost, more money to the creators of the music. -
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