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- Confuzed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4""There was a bang and the oxygen masks fell down... and I knew at that point that something was wrong," Zwicker said."
Wow he is so observing - TripinVA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Now I'm no expert, but I will say that disallowing anything that might receive the normal FM band (88-108 MHz) is very wise.
This is because of the "fifty-fourth adjacent rule" as it's called on FM by the FCC, though I'm sure there's a more correct term. Basically, one day, try this. Find a radio station, like a 102.7, and tune to it. Then, get another radio, and tune to 92.0 and put it next to the other radio. The 102.7 goes dead. 10.7 MHz is the difference. Because airplanes use the frequencies just above FM, something like 108-135 MHz, FM radios have the potential to cause interference in the same manner as our little experiment.
It's also why you'll never find a TV channel 6 (audio carrier on 87.8) and a 98.5 FM in the same city. - MrMysterious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was hoping that I would see screaming, praying and panic.
- aquax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The airlines are well aware that things like iPods or the like will not cause any interference with pilot equipment. They use that excuse, because they want people to be aware and attentive when the plane is at it's most dangerous points - takeoff and landing. Someone like me with their sound isolating headphones and their eyes closed could be oblivious to some sort of danger that would otherwise be obvious to a non-distracted passenger.
You're still statistically much safer once you're on the plane than when you're driving the car to the airport. - fallingstars, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, those contract guys are horrible. You really do get what you pay for. Then again, most of our guys make $19 and change and we still bump a plane or two every once in a while... The difference is, we have a union to protect us, so we're not afraid to report it. That contract guy didn't report because he would have been fired on the spot. I bet he didn't even speak English.
Along the same lines, when you're on the plane, don't drink anything you didn't open yourself (or witness being opened). I can't count how many times I've had to lay the smack down on those contract guys using the "potable" water hoses to fill the _lavatory_ service trucks. And they wonder why the FDA keeps finding E.coli in airplane water samples...
All this so your ticket could cost $0.02 round trip...
(Also, I've asked a few pilots about the interference thing, and they say it's generally no big deal to the computerized equipment, but they will hear a buzz in their headsets like when you put your cell phone next to your car stereo headunit. Not critical, just annoying.) - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There will be some bill in congress soon to provide subsidies or tax relief to airlines because of "maintenance fund shortages" or "safety procedure refinement," or some other crap excuse. You just wait and see.
- tomscott, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Does not surprise me that it was Alaska Airlines. I have had the worst safety experiences with them. Aside from their usual delayed flights, i had one where the first plane had a fuel leak, the replacement plane we were put on had a "mechanical problem" and 10 hours later i was on my way on a 2 hour flight... 6 months later they had a plane crash into the ocean on the exact same route i was flying. The reason it crashed? because no one had ever checked to see if they needed to replace a part, which should have been routine.
Alaska Airlines is the absolute worst - UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1awesome digg
- eztheir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My roommate was one of the alaska airlines baggage employees laid off about 6 months ago. He threw a ***** fit when they replaced him for some schmucks working for minimum wage. He still has his flight benefits for three years so he's sitting pretty. The replacements seem to be doing well.
- smokebomb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You also don't need to have a device with an antenna (like a cellphone) to produce EM interference. Any electronic device gives of some EM radiation, the worst offenders are actually hard drives. Lots of people using lots of different devices inside a long metal tube (such as an airplane cabin) could potentially interact enough to interfere with comm or nav equipment. Although there's no record of this ever happening the FAA restricts thier use during takeoff and landing since that's when the comm equipment is most important.
So yeah I'm kinda surpirsed they let this guy take video. - TripinVA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Aquax:
While both are licensed to Sacramento, KRXQ broadcasts from about 20 miles east of Sacramento; KVIE broadcasts from another location over 30 miles away from KRXQ, far closer to Stockton. - finalblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I own both Nextel and Cingular phones. Owners of these phones can tell you that these are easily the most disruptive among the carriers. I've also had the opportunity to pilot a small business jet this year... I can tell you that when the phone is sitting right in the cockpit with you it does wreak havoc on comm. Phones that are left on beyond the cabin threshold really has no impact. The whole "turn off your electronic devices" rule was left over from the days when there was little understanding about the emissions from such devices.
I find it silly and annoying when you're sitting on a commercial flight and flock of flight attendants come by to tell you to turn off your iPod.
On the other hand, it's pointless to have your phone on in the air when there are dozens of cell towers that your phone is trying to connect to. It's impossible to hold a call. - pudquick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Pictures?!
There's full on *VIDEO*: http://www.komotv.com/news/qtmovie.asp?ID=40979 - sc300ccret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wasn't he supposed to have his head between his legs?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> Now on the employee denting the plane,
Seems pretty obvious to me: report the accident and get fired with honor; don't report the accident and go to jail. If all you're hoping to do in life a slide through, allowing blame for your mistakes to land elsewhere then you probably shouldn't be working around high performance aircraft carrying 100s of people. - Tabris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's not hard to turn the cell phone ON and film. :)
In all actuality though, I wonder if cell phones and e-devices really do ***** with aircraft equipment anymore. - LeFrenzy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0oh come on, if you were in that situation, you would have started filming with your cell phone too.
- e3mw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm surprised he didn't get dogpiled by the flight attendants. Lol.
Popping your phone out as the plane goes down for an emergency landing is the last thing the pilots need to screw up their fickle communication equipment. - brandon_w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0pwallworth, what I meant was, what exactly is so interesting about someone who happens to take a picture like this? I honestly don't see why so many people are digging it.
- Mininday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is the news covering every single emergency landing now? You almost see one/day now.
- panique, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I hope they throw the book at the baggage handler that rammed the conveyor vehicle into the plane then neglected to report it prior to takeoff.
- dupswapdrop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0well the NSA spy scans put out much more EMF than your cellphone, same with all the weather radar!
Hiring dumb a** to load the plane and save money, priceless! - Cippy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Heh...
Guess you haven't watched Lost. - thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://komotv.com/qt/pointers/_gho_flight_122705.mov
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> ""There was a bang and the oxygen masks fell down...
> and I knew at that point that something was wrong,"
Any time there's explosive decompression at altitude and the aircraft stays in one piece, well, that's when you pretty much know you're going to make it (there's a lot of people who haven't). The big tail-section bulheads in 747s worry me in particular; when those things fail at altitude, all they're doing is picking up the widely scattered pieces on the ground (think 600mph, end over end, shreading pretty much every major structrual piece of the aircraft)... and the scray bit is those bulkheads sometimes fail on their own without a whole lot of provication. Combine that with the airlines ops sections pushing the FL as high as possible to catch favorable winds to save a few $1000s (go read up on fuel hedging as the primary driver for southwest's profits some time) of fuel, combined with an aging fleet, an overdue bulkhead inspection and the margines get pretty thin.
As for the baggage handlers not reporting the accident... they need to fire his ass (and everyone who was servicing the plane with him). I swear I can not wait for the day that robots handle all luggage (the baggage handlers can have one last glorious day of "let's see if we can break the luggage" toss fest before getting the in unemployment line). - Binaryzero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0its a PDA phone, you can turn off the radio and leave the PDA on which will allow you to take pics...
- bonlebon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Say click, take a pic....
FYI Alaska Airlines have gotten 1 too many issues during the past years. - Rikushix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You get attendants telling you to turn off your iPod? That's insane. Phone's i can understand...but that?
- Galaeron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Electronic devices are allowwed to be on during flight but not during take off last I checked. Im sure its the same with emergency landings.
It has been about 2 years since I last flew but I remember cause I asked the attendant if its ok to boot up zee ol laptop and she said it was alright during flight but to turn it off when we go to land. Plus they make the power converter plugs you can plug into ur seat for laptops and what not.
I guess a cellphone could mess with the computers differently though - jamesey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+01. He wasn't supposed to have an electronic device turned on!! ::rolleyes::
2. News companies will pay thousands of dollars for photos like this. If you're ever in a similar situation, take pics and profit! A video is even better. - roastedbagel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Pretty cool, definitely something you dont see everyday (oxygen masks hanging)
- ihybridora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0and something you shouldn't see anyday...that guy who made the dent should have been careful
- bonlebon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Now on the employee denting the plane, remember guys we live in a society that punishes the truth for ridiculous it sounds, that guy talks when it happened and he would have lost his job on the spot, now this happens and he will lose it anywyas but most of the times people gets away with it until an accident happens and the investigators find the cause after months and months, This issue happened to a British Airways craft.
- TripinVA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0vr6vdub:
If you read a little further, you would see that I already answered how it was possible--in Sacramento, KVIE (TV channel 6) and KRXQ (98.5) are over 30 miles apart. This is acceptable and does not cause interference because the signals are not strong enough where they overlap to cause a problem. - bonlebon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Find the discovery channel documentary on air disasters, mainly the Alaska airlines off the California coast, the whistle blower on that one is unemployed and most likely won't work in the air transportation industry for being considered a snitch, go figure, that's how the government protects those who want to protect us.
With the airline industries you are one disgruntle/lazy employee away from making your last trip. - rvin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's pretty safe to say that Alaska Airlines won't be flying any Digg.com users anytime soon.
- ttkgeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Wonder what type of flight. Not too long ago there was an Alaska Airlines flight from Mexico to a few stops (I think it was LA, then SF and then Seattle) that went down with all on board killed. Wonder if
it was the same flight path."
Your talking about the MD-80 that went down near Point Mugu just off the California coast, same plane model, not the same flight path, squeegee. - Squeegee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wonder what type of flight. Not too long ago there was an Alaska Airlines flight from Mexico to a few stops (I think it was LA, then SF and then Seattle) that went down with all on board killed. Wonder if
it was the same flight path. - aquax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"It's also why you'll never find a TV channel 6 (audio carrier on 87.8) and a 98.5 FM in the same city."
KVIE 6 (PBS) and 98.5 FM (98 Rock) are both in Sacramento.... - nzeeshan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0he should have been the one flying the plane i guess .. :)
- aa3000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"and asked our police department to take a hit-and-run report,"
:-> - hankosky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is any one else having issues watching the video?
- vr6vdub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0TripinVA pwnd me!!! I was to slow...your comment after I refreshed the page and before I hit submit.
- bonlebon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@TripinVA
Thanks for the insightful fact. - mackoid101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If a million dollar, state of the art aircraft and it's state of the are navigation and gps systems can be over-ridden by something I buy at radio shack, something's wrong.
- vr6vdub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"When Playing the video i get a 3285 Disconnected Error."
You need to set Quicktime to stream over HTTP port 80....Read the part where it says "if you're browser says disconnected, click here". PWNT - vpisteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0When I listen to my iPod, I use my FutureSonics molded earbuds. Look just like hearing aids. Never had a flight attendant ask me to turn it off. ;)
The whole thing about turning off Walkmans/iPods is stupid. I remember when they said it was because the sample rate of a CD was the same as the frequency of all the electronics on the plane. Funniest thing I ever heard. - Kitsune818, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The local oscillator in a personal FM receiver should not produce enough output to have any discernable effect on the flight radios. I'm pretty sure even an iTrip wouldn't be enough. Most other electronic devices put out negligable amounts of RF. AFAIK, Nextel are the big offenders. Borrow someones nextel and put it near any amplified speaker and listen to the kind of racket it makes.. or put it near a CRT and watch it wiggle. I don't know if they are on a different frequency from PCS/ CDMA / GSM or what.. but those things are annoying.
I believe the main concern is that somehow, somewhere, 1 person might have a device that is putting out some fierce intermod, and they don't want to risk that at "critical times"... coupled with the pay-attention factor. This is especially true now that more and more portable devices are running clock speeds that are close harmonics (or even tonic) of/to communications frequencies, even in the VHF, UHF and microwave bands.
I regularly forget to turn my cell phone off on flights. I've gotten voice and text messages at 30,000 feet. I'm still standing (yeah, yeah, yeah.) - Flashman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@watuzi:
Shut up, this is something you don't see every day. How about you start contributing instead of just criticising:
http://digg.com/users/watuzi/submitted == 0 submitted - nzeeshan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0a quick thinking passenger
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