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- 10goto10, on 06/01/2008, -37/+799This is bad news for all eleven Safari-on-Windows users!
- estvir, on 06/01/2008, -64/+374At least this is /real/ and not full of lies like Apple's ads.
For the petty people who will try and paint Microsoft as doing something wrong here and to release Apple of all blame, here's a third-party source speaking of why Apple must fix the flaw immediately:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1212 - TheGreatBelow, on 06/01/2008, -30/+296Firefox 3 makes every other browser irrelevant.
- slayernine, on 06/01/2008, -16/+239Look at any Apple software that runs on Windows, it bloated, its slow and its full of bugs. Why? Because Apple doesn't give a ***** about PC users.
I use iTunes because I have an iPod, but if I had a better choice I would uninstall iTunes in a flash. It uses more memory and process cycles than Window Media Player, which is saying something because Media Player isn't exactly that efficient. - AndrewDB, on 06/01/2008, -23/+240Anyone want to take a guess how soon until Apple says Windows isn't safe on PCs?
- ThinkFr33ly, on 06/01/2008, -19/+180It's really only midly ironic.
The fact of the matter is that IE 7 on Vista has been nearly invulnerable so far. There have been security patches issued for it, but none for issues that could have practically lead to the compromise of the machine.
In fact, so far at least, the only way to compromise Vista via IE 7 was actually through Flash... and the only reason this exploit worked was because Adobe explicitly worked around the security model in IE 7 rather than write their software correctly to begin with.
Apple loves to claim a nearly pristine security record, but it's really just spin and marketing. As Apple's software gets more popular, it will become a bigger and bigger target. Just a few days ago they released a patch for OS X that plugged over 40 security holes. Apple is just starting to harden their platforms. They haven't had the benefit of being the number 1 target for a decade. - 0260, on 06/01/2008, -20/+115not a security issue? what else is apple "not treating as a security issue" that they are not telling us?
- etx313, on 06/01/2008, -1/+80I'm convinced they do it on purpose to make the PC experience cumbersome.
- MrPig, on 06/01/2008, -9/+80I don't know about you but when apple installs QuickTime or Safari when I don't want it... I get pretty angry. Especially when it decides that QuickTime or Safari should be the primary application for video files/web browsing respectively.
It would be fine if they gave checkboxes in the installer to select the apps I'd like to install, but they don't even do that. - etx313, on 06/01/2008, -11/+81No this is a real problem and Apple has basically been ignoring it. Pretty ***** of them to say the least.
- nevermind13, on 06/01/2008, -27/+93It would have been eleven if Apple hadn't forced it on every person who had itunes.
- shanesemler, on 06/01/2008, -4/+62That is exactly the kind of thinking that made IE so craptacular. While I'm not a fan of Opera (for example) the competition is necessary and good.
- stutimandal, on 06/01/2008, -7/+63I used safari for a month and then I un-installed it.
It had stored about 70 MB of worthless feed in C:documents n settingsusernameappdataApplesafarifeeds
I never sign up for RSS feeds and I had deleted all their bookmarks, still some 70 MB of crap ~10000 files were lying in there. And when I un-installed Safari, the apple software installer didn't go. It is still lying in my computer, and does not show up in Add/Remove programs. - u8eR, on 06/01/2008, -35/+82I don't think this will last long on the front page of Digg.
- surfacewound, on 06/01/2008, -10/+56A plugin is not nearly as big of a deal as a whole different web browser, and trying to trick people with iTunes into downloading Safari is just pathetic, there's absolutely no excuse for it. That would be like a Firefox update wanting you to install Thunderbird.
- apotropaic, on 06/01/2008, -20/+61Actually they did force for a week or two under a hidden update. Silverlight is the biggest pain, but apple is king at forcing their stuff down your throat on their os.
- thushan, on 06/01/2008, -6/+47what i found even more absurd was the response their "security pro's" gave back:
src: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/31/microsoft_ ...
"Apple's security pros, upon learning of the so-called carpet bombing vulnerability, said they didn't see it as a significant threat. A researcher in Cupertino wrote to Dhanjani that it may get fixed at some point down the road as "a further measure to raise the bar against unwanted downloads," but said it could take a quite a while, if ever, for that to happen."
Sounds like a Mactard of a researcher... I think Apple needs a kick in the pants for such an attitude. - hungryduck, on 06/01/2008, -0/+39Why?
- moocow1452, on 06/01/2008, -9/+47The use of words expressing something than their literal intention, now that IS irony!
- Sinscriven, on 06/01/2008, -8/+45It probably has something to do with the iPhone.
They're going to want more than just OS X users making iPhone/Safari friendly websites, so the only way Windows users can get a real feel for what their work will look like is to have Safari. - azbmr, on 06/01/2008, -1/+37As a web developer, I have Safari installed for the brief moments that I need to make sure it is rendering my pages correctly.
- Optimaximal, on 06/01/2008, -5/+41"Windows is not compatible with our Safari Browser. Users are encouraged to upgrade to an Apple Mac iMac, Mac mini or Macbook and experience the web how we think you should...
**WARNING** Not compatible with SSL Proxy Servers" - jabela, on 06/01/2008, -17/+52To be fair, it is a real security flaw.... Just didn't expect MS to be the one to spot it ;-)
- nebkiwi, on 06/01/2008, -3/+37I agree, all the software that apple makes for windows seems to suck, and just be generally be buggy and horrible, whereas the mac counterparts seem to be quite nice..
- Ajajadude, on 06/01/2008, -4/+36@sg7791
Yeah, but, does it have to be? It's one of the reasons I stopped using iTunes (other than the fact that the 7.0 release would not work on my laptop without sounding like I was listening to a CD while off-roading at 80 MPH).
@applegeorge
No, it's a pain-in-the-ass when Quicktime takes back those file types with every single iTunes update. Why it can't remember the user settings is beyond me. - V3NOM, on 06/01/2008, -2/+32I just denied the Safari download when Apple Update tried to give it to me. It hasn't tried to install Safari since...
- MrPig, on 06/01/2008, -5/+33That's great and all, but maybe I don't want it as my default video player. Or maybe! They could just install the QuickTime DLL's and required files and not the exe itself.
- nevermind13, on 06/01/2008, -5/+32Who said I have it installed? I use neither itunes or safari, but I've seen many PC's with Safari on it and the user has no idea how they got it, that's the problem.
- dn11, on 06/01/2008, -0/+25try using an alternative for iTunes. when I'm using windows I use the newest winamp. It syncs my ipod just fine - especially using the alternative ml_ipod plugin
http://mlipod.sourceforge.net/ - LoungeActx, on 06/01/2008, -4/+28I agree the statement that Apple doesn't care too much about Windows users. They just put out the software to be accessible to Windows users. It's all about $$$. But at least they do it. Microsoft with the Zune says, who cares about Apple users. Office on Mac is bloated and runs like ass, and it's always the last thing to get updated. Let's face it, they're both just in it for the $$$ not servicing our basic computing needs.
- inactive, on 06/01/2008, -3/+26"And the same thing goes for all of you windows users who are complaining about itunes and quick time. They don't really suck. You just need to buy an imac. " - Steve Jobs - inventor of the iphone.
- Xanium4332, on 06/01/2008, -2/+25Oh ffs, just search for the word 'Linux', then see how gratuitous things can be...
- Biohazard6601, on 06/01/2008, -11/+34now we need a microsoft commercial
- arkaycee, on 06/01/2008, -3/+26I am so in love with my Minefield (FF3) on Mac OS X that I got drunk and had sex with it last night. But it's so awesome that I don't even feel a little dirty this morning. It's like it anticipated my every need and desire.
- twiztidsinz, on 06/01/2008, -8/+31Typical fanboy who OGC's over anything Mac related and ignores any wrong doings. Yet if Microsoft attempted anything like what Apple pulled people would be up in arms over this, yet when Apple does, the fanboy's rabidly try to smooth it over.
- frogstomp19, on 06/01/2008, -14/+35actually, OSX's UNIX core is much "safer" then windows. What I don't understand about Apple is why people pay 1.2-1.5x the price for their proprietary machines when they can get a linux box -- which is built around the same UNIX core -- for .8x cost.
Oh yeah, and when the apple fanboys start finding this article... prepare to be dugg down into oblivion.
-(ubuntu ftw)- - mikephimikephi, on 06/01/2008, -9/+2970MB is a big deal? I'd consider a hard drive built after 1995
- Vich, on 06/01/2008, -4/+24Apple just make sweeping statements that don't make sense like "windows is for business, not fun" despite the fact that windows is pretty much the only pc gaming platform. And that "everything just works on a mac" when they have an exclusive and restrictive set of hardware and software.
- Hefelumpman, on 06/01/2008, -0/+19Did you read the title???
- waluigi14, on 06/01/2008, -1/+19If you know it's there, why don't you delete it?
- deadbaby, on 06/01/2008, -1/+19Because if even 10% of iTunes users decided to install it and 5% decided to use it they are making lots of money in Google search revenue.
- Jimmerz, on 06/01/2008, -5/+23Wouldn't it be that they made it for Windows so people building websites on MS OS machines could check how their work looks on Safari? That's what I heard. Or at least one of the reasons.
- apotropaic, on 06/01/2008, -10/+28ducky is obviously an apple user... they never get anything for free, or cheap! lol
- sg7791, on 06/01/2008, -7/+25Safari is pretty useless, but Quicktime is necessary for iTunes.
- reechme, on 06/01/2008, -6/+24But it's true - Safari IS vulnerable to THIS flaw. Apart from it being malware (well, it was on my PC, tried to download and install itself, when I didn't have a previous download for it.)
Yes, it's funny seeing MS mention this, but still - it's true! - MrPig, on 06/01/2008, -3/+19Thank you Ajajadude.
I give you 1 cookie. Use it wisely. - toxicityj, on 06/01/2008, -15/+31It's pretty simple, really. Just unclick silverlight on your list of updates. It just works.
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