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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Right, so instead of using Java or devising some other legitimate runtime environment, let's bring application UIs down to the level of A WEB PAGE. After more than a decade of popular Web usage, the Web's presentation technology still requires labyrinthine hacks to perform the crudest feats of user interaction.
And Adobe wants to bring that to the desktop.
YAY. - seanalltogether, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"After more than a decade of popular Web usage, the Web's presentation technology still requires labyrinthine hacks to perform the crudest feats of user interaction."
Which is why the Flash runtime is really the centerpiece of Apollo. I'll agree that HTML was designed as a *presentation* layer bundled with a few interactive FORM elements, but Flash at its core always has been an interactive medium. The new Flash 9 runtime and Flex 2 framework are insanely useful for creating rich apps. The components and layout managers are far ahead of anything you'd see in Java, data binding is maturing swiftly and the components in general are fast and easily extensible.
Java has its place, but UI design is not it, everyone has their own GridBag horror stories. - kirupa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Actually, WPF isn't necessarily Windows-centric. WPF/e runs on both Windows and Mac on IE/FF/Safari. More info here: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/asp.net/bb187358.aspx
EDIT: Seems like reply to parent didn't work. - Roamerick, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9WPF is Windows-centric, whereas Apollo is true multiplatform. Also, the coding language for it is Flex, which is about as far from the basic capabilities of Flash as C++ is from HTML. Should make for a pretty interesting, and powerful, combination.
- RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12So... Instead of using powerful programming languages to develop desktop applications - please confine your efforts to whatever you can accomplish using Flash, HTML, and PDF technologies.
This seems to me like it will compete with Visual Basic for some kind of non-programmer programming environment. - Smily, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I've been following Apollo for quite some time and I can see that there's some confusion about it. I found this nice interview on MXNA (it's also linked in this article) that clears up most of the confusion in the comments, here: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Stewart/?p=234
You can find more info about Apollo on Adobe Labs: http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo - ryanstewart, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7RyeBrye, sure but Visual Basic isn't cross platform. The idea is that you can write desktop applications using web technologies that run on most operating systems. Apollo puts a lot of power into the hands of web developers, which I think is a good thing.
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7If it's tied to IE, I want nothing of it, not until the IE teams make a solid effort to catch up with the rest of the browser world.
- CaseyUCF, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7not funny sir
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm glad so many of you seem to think this is such a bad thing. Narrows down the number of businesses trying to capitalise on it.
- Soulhuntre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Personally I am finding .NET 3 / WPF cooupled with WPF/e to be a much slicker development system for almost allt he stufff I used to use Flash for. Since most of the work I do is for intranet systems Windows shops it's simply not an issue to make the switch.
Lots of cool stuff there... and it can even interoperate with Flash thanks to the tutorials at http://www.thewpfblog.com/ - decklane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, It's just a shame trying to develop for XULrunner can cause serious hair loss sometimes.
- mikehartor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Nice indeed. Is anyone able to open this link? http://coffeepages.blogspot.com
- rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Safari really sucks when it comes to ASP.NET pages.
- jtherrien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It works in Firefox, Safari, etc...
It's truly multi-platform, however some of the high-end graphical features are Vista only due to DX10 stuff. I don't see those being used too often. - e68895f, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"After more than a decade of popular Web usage, the Web's presentation technology still requires labyrinthine hacks to perform the crudest feats of user interaction."
so your saying multiplatform technology would be nice ? mayby you should try flash more than 5 minutes.... - virtualscribe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Written articles don't always work with me, so I looked up Adobe's website to try and see what this was. They archived a pre PRE PRE beta breeze presentation; it looks like it was given in November 2006. I am watching to see some examples and how or why I would use this, and Mike Chambers the narrator/presenter admits that at that point in time the app could crash or have bugs as he was using it.
https://admin.adobe.acrobat.com/_a227210/p87192484
Why it's listed under https or acrobat, I don't know. - lilzaphod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@kirupa
Yeah, we've never seen Microsoft "embrace" a standard so hard that their version only played in their own environments. - joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Yes, it's absically a plea to keep Flash and PDF's relevant.
- phlogiston99, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"to build applications for the desktop using web technologies including Flash, HTML and PDF"
Mmm... ever heard of a web browser? - HeyItsJeremy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I think this is a good move for Google, but it's going to be hard to top XULrunner by Mozilla. It's an incredibly slick multi-platform runtime engine with very easy access to the Gecko engine, the possibilities with XULrunner are nearly limitless.
- arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1WPF = WTF?
/joke
I would say digg me down, like all the other folk who post pointless ramble comments, but I don't really understand why one one post something and then ask to be dugg down.
/ramble - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1It's not really tied to IE. It's tied to the .NET Framework more than anything else. (Seeing as how it's a .NET 3.0 technology) But still. It runs on Macs. What more do you want?
- DesignHonky, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3You obviously haven't used Actionscript 3.0 or MXML. Do your research folks!
- rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2@ryanstewart and @willynilly:
Adobe doesn't necessarliy want to bring this to the desktop, but what they may want to do is try to patent the use of these applications in whatever combination on the desktop environment.
"For those who aren’t familiar with it, Apollo is a cross-platform runtime that is still in pre alpha and allows developers to build applications for the desktop using web technologies including Flash, HTML and PDF."
Adobe OWNS Flash and PDF technologies (even though PDF to become open source). No one else could manage to do this without givng Adobe a huge cut.
I agree that it is a bad idea though. And why is this in the news PRE-ALPHA?? what security issues will RIA face? - cmdrNacho, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Adobe is a corporation that has aspirations to be worst than MS... 10 grand per cpu for a flex enterprise app server . Give me a f'n break. Ill stick with Java and open source. Paying for solutions that don't offer much even in the enterpise sector is a f'n joke. All companies should follow google's lead.. pay for talented people.. not overpriced software.
- dmonkey1001, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Pre-alpha? That's like saying you are building the car of the future, only its still in clay modeling phase. This is a total fluff article that is written like the author had a board of full of buzzwords he was throwing darts at.
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2VB.net produces code that works just fine on most any popular web browser.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4Wow. We see the uprise of powerful technologies like Windows Presentation Foundation, and Adobe decides to offer this? I think I just threw up a little.
This seems to be a step in the _wrong_ direction. - joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3WPF >>>> **********
nothing comes close - saikhan, on 10/12/2007, -29/+2Adobe Apollo:
I'm in ur comps, killing ur software engineers
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