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- takamalak, on 11/02/2009, -44/+307How about Adobe stop hiring Late Night comedians and get a few programmers that can produce something that is not a total pile of *****?
- Buzski, on 11/02/2009, -82/+308Apple should allow Flash support if it wants to call the iPhone a true mobile platform, period.
- phogasmic, on 11/02/2009, -12/+205Maybe all of the mobile platforms should be dropping Flash since it is proprietary, resource intensive and requires a different version for every platform. The mobile platforms should be embracing HTML 5, JS, and CSS.
- Orbital101, on 11/02/2009, -19/+145Guys, don't fall for this one. Apple has its problems and does a lot of weird things, but Adobe is trying a little misdirection. Flash is not what it used to be. Proprietary, buggy, inefficient and mismanaged, Adobe is not doing good software these days and would like very much to point the finger.
Instead of rioting to get Apple to support Flash, which belongs to Adobe, push hard for them to bring HTML5 to fruition. It's the obvious and intelligent successor to a format which is in the hands of a company that's been going steadily downhill for quite a while.
Flash is not the promised land. HTML5 is the future. - superkendall, on 11/02/2009, -23/+143Good riddance to bad rubbish.
It mattered more when most flash video sites didn't also offer an MP4 stream of the video - I know which I'd rather have, any day of the week. Flash is made obsolete by HTML 5 features, so the faster we leave it behind the better.
How cruel would it be to get Cut & Paste just as an explosion of Flash pages meant you couldn't cut or paste anything? It's already a bad problem on the REAL web, lets not bring baggage into the mobile space. - JasonCox, on 11/02/2009, -24/+141I'm sure if Apple wanted to they could come up with some elegant way of allowing Flash in Mobile Safari; I wouldn't want it turned on by default because of all the ads that make noise or play animations, however a click-to-activate option would be nice, at least then we, the user, would have the option at least of viewing the website as the designer intended, and not how Steve Jobs commands the internet work.
- colincornaby, on 11/02/2009, -15/+131Honestly, Flash sucks even on my 2.8 ghz Mac Pro. Flash has always been badly coded on the Mac. HTML5 is the best way forward. If you install this plugin, you can even use HTML5 to view YouTube instead of Flash:
http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/ - TrellSaracen, on 11/02/2009, -22/+131I'm torn.
On the one hand, Apple are dicks.
On the other hand, Flash is *****.
My head hurts. - blackgt93, on 11/02/2009, -16/+97This.
Has anyone had the displeasure of using a flash app on a full fleged Mac with OS X? It's such a slow, steaming pile.
It surprises me all of these people clamoring for Flash on Mobile Safari when it barely runs on Safari as it is. - superkendall, on 11/02/2009, -23/+100Adobe should make something that does not totally suck on mobile devices if they want to claim it's a mobile technology.
- HigherLogic, on 11/02/2009, -6/+63__IF__ they allow Flash on the iPhone, then please make sure I can block it, because I sure as hell don't want to browse sites and have to deal with downloading SWF files. Flash may be cool for the iPhone for games, but all the popular Flash games are already ported over as it stands.
With HTML5, we can already use the canvas, video, and audio tags to accomplish the only reason I use Flash, which is watching videos or listening to music. - runeasgar, on 11/02/2009, -7/+63Apple uses HTML5 video on their web site.
You are ignorant, sir. - digggggggggg, on 11/02/2009, -5/+59I seriously can't believe how they managed to develop a product in which displaying a 150x600 pixel ad in a browser makes my CPU usage go up to 100%.
- lukas88, on 11/02/2009, -8/+59Funny, thats how I feel about iTunes and Quicktime.
- elcalrissian, on 11/02/2009, -11/+57we have an app for that
oh wait, no we dont - neutron7, on 11/02/2009, -13/+58When was the last time Microsoft decided what you could run on your machine and took 30% of all the money developers make from their "apps" what are allowed to run?
oh yeah. never. - phogasmic, on 11/02/2009, -7/+49Down with Flash, up with HTML5.
I cannot believe there is so much support for Flash here, I thought Digg was all about openess. HTML5 is far more open then Flash, and the best Phones can already handle a bit of it. Why take a step back and allow Adobe to dominate mobile browsers like they are dominating the desktop.
Furthermore, what are these killer Flash apps you all love so much? Ads? Games?
Granted Google uses Flash for Google Analytics and Street View, but i'd bet my nutsack they are already porting that stuff to more advanced HTML and JS. - inactive, on 11/02/2009, -8/+44Adobe should release flash for 64-bit systems, which are becoming more of a (I hate to say it because of the massive fanboy attack) commonplace than Safari on the iPhone.
- UnbannedAccount, on 11/02/2009, -16/+52I'm not fond of Apple, but I love my iPhone. Having said that, THANK YOU Apple for keeping Flash off it.
Adding flash just adds super cookies, a poor video format and crapped up web sites hogging resources. I surf from my iPhone all the time and I have never, ever, EVAR had any use for a flash web page. And the same could be said for desktop browsers to a large extent. - mctom987, on 11/02/2009, -2/+32Sparta.
- Pyroteq, on 11/03/2009, -1/+30"But then Apple doesn't act like iTunes or Quicktime are necessities for your PC."
Ummm, yes they do. If you own an iPod or iPhone you NEED to use iTunes.
I like my iPhone (I got it for free) but I ***** HATE iTunes. It's horrible. Why the ***** can't I just drag and drop files like a normal MP3 player? I can't even access MY OWN music on my iPhone from another computer. If I go upstairs and use my laptop I have to stream my music over the network instead of just being able to play it from my iPhone. - SmilinChris, on 11/02/2009, -3/+30This.
- appleseed1234, on 11/02/2009, -2/+29Is.
- monkeyrun, on 11/02/2009, -12/+33lol, be funny while you still can, Adobe.
- borez, on 11/02/2009, -3/+22Flash sucks on all Macs.
Every bloody youtube video stutters, it drives me mad. - jasonwehling, on 11/02/2009, -1/+20I think many are missing the point. This is not a "flash sucks" or "HTML 5 is better" issue. There is a fundamental question about whether Apple will ever allow runtime environments on the iPhone or not. Now maybe you hate all runtimes. Fine. But that's what this battle is about: whether Apple controls the entire ecosystem by providing one runtime: theirs (Obj-C and technically JavaScript inside Safari). Remember, Apple's position means: no Flash, but also no Java, and no-anything else like this.
- ijake, on 11/02/2009, -7/+26I'm all for flash on the iPhone, but it would HAVE to be restricted to a lite or iPhone version. Flash is too robust an application for everything that comes out of it to work on a touch screen device. For example, your finger on the screen is the equivalent of a mouse click on links, right? Well what about rollover states in flash button or movies, or parts of flash pieces where the entire point is interaction with the motion of the mouse and not necessarily the clicking of a button. How would an Interactive flash navigation that relies on a mouse over (not a click) to bring down a subnav work? I work in flash a little, by no means am I fluent, and digg me down if you must, but it just seems to me that people demanding flash on the iPhone haven't fully thought out the ramifications of what that would mean as far as a complete retooling of how flash works, or flash programmers have to develop new, or dual ways for their swf files to work.
Serious question: Has anyone from Adobe addressed any of the issue that would be bound to pop up if Apple suddenly did allow flash on the iPhone? I know that Adobe has said they would need to work more with Apple to get something that's more than the SDK for them to get started on this, but to me is seems like it would be more Adobe's job than Apple's to get their software to work on a device that employes a fairly new way to interact with a personal computing device. - phogasmic, on 11/02/2009, -13/+31Says who? Flash is absolutely horrible on the Mac, horrible on Linux, its pretty much horrible everywhere except in IE on a PC. Why would the IPHone version run any better? If Adobe wants Flash on the IPhone so bad then they should build a version of it that works within Apples app restrictions. Thats really the only thing stopping them.
- jserio, on 11/02/2009, -13/+31Am I the only one who thinks this is Apple's way of preserving App Store sales? With Flash, people can just play the many free Flash games out there eliminating the need to buy from the App Store.
- tidu, on 11/02/2009, -9/+26Flash isn't fit for a mobile device with limited battery life.
- jads, on 11/02/2009, -5/+21Didn't Nokia say at an expo or something with the N96 that it has flash...but it's unusable? Does any mobile device do flash well?
Flash is a terrible platform for anything other than video. Even then it's not great. I'd say one reason Apple probably doesn't open it up is that it would be damn near unusable.
Take Adobe's recent OpenGov website http://www.adobe.com/opengov/ as a perfect example
How the hell would that work on a mobile device? Text can't be resized and the flash size doesn't fit on most laptop screens. How would this be good to view on a mobile device? - babydill, on 11/02/2009, -46/+62Apple stop being such a douchebag. Give my iPhone flash, you are going to loose this war. right when everyone leaves the iPhone for a Andriod phone.
- Chakat, on 11/02/2009, -3/+18Apple's pushing an H.264-only route for video. H.264 is patent-encumbered and just as proprietary to the end user as Flash. Were apple to support Theora encoding, you'd have a point.
- pendetim, on 11/02/2009, -2/+17No Flash on my BlackBerry either, Is Adobe going to try and shame RIM also?
- gamepr0, on 11/02/2009, -11/+25Apple can NOT risk allowing adobe to enable flash. Millions of iPods and iPhones would overheat because of adobe's horrible code.
- MacParrot, on 11/02/2009, -7/+21The problem newchap is that Flash isn't written well for OS X or most other browsers other than IE. Maybe Adobe needs better OS X programmers?
- jack2454, on 11/03/2009, -0/+14
http://www.youtube.com/html5 - lukas88, on 11/03/2009, -9/+23Ok drama queens, flash isn't bad software, in fact it is fairly good software. The reason flash software on the internet tends to have that amateurish design is because it was designed to be usable by amateurs. At the same time, it is sophisticated enough to be used for web apps like youtube and pandora. It is not an inconsequential feat that the skill required for building flash is so scalable, and it is the single reason why it is so ubiquitous on the internet.
- sdipaola, on 11/02/2009, -3/+17ONE REASON ONLY - flash goes against apples closed ways. It is a backdoor (meaning not through itunes store apps) to games, movies, media players) but mostly reason media players.
I sometimes think' the flash excuse' is the ultimate test for fanboyism. If you hear the standard: flash sites suck ( yes they do), flash is inefficient ( yes it is), flash will eat batteries ( yes it will) excuses for not allowing it - then you are hearing a fan boy Yes, flash is all those things but so are 100 other apps that users choose to use, for instance using the video camera constantly - would you disable it permanalty because some user will over use it.? Apple' s Flash policy is all about control and greed - it you don't see that you are a fanboy, no different then a evolution denier because of your religion fanboyism. - pgiessel, on 11/02/2009, -2/+16Adobe should stop being such a douchebag and allow Flash on my FreeBSD box. Its ADOBE's licensing agreement that is blocking Flash on FreeBSD.
- phogasmic, on 11/02/2009, -11/+24When the video sites start serving IPhone compatible video no one is going to give two ***** about Flash.
- giyad, on 11/03/2009, -1/+14ummm... relax?
- Kazaki, on 11/02/2009, -3/+15Wow, I just tried this plugin and it multiplies the quality of YouTube videos to an insane level! No stuttering or anything too.
Now I want the entire planet to hurry up and start using HTML5. - Chakat, on 11/02/2009, -1/+13Mpeg 4 is not based on Quicktime. Quicktime's just a file container. You can have Mpeg 4 wrapped in an AVI container if you want to, or a Matroska container.
Though more to the point, you were complaining about a proprietary plugin. How is the Quicktime file format, which Apple provides sole control over, not proprietary? Plugins are how a lot of internet technologies got their start. How does it benefit the end user to not have them available at all? Apple's choice is to have the end users have an inferior experience until Apple officially blesses the technology.
Then again, if adobe really wanted to jab at Apple, they'd release the Flash application on Cydia or one of the other third-party application stores, and call apple's bluff by adding another advantage to unlocking one's phone. - nambio, on 11/03/2009, -1/+12Apple doesn't allow it because then it would canibalise their apps sales. Why would people buy games when they can play flash games for free? And soon as flash is allowed everyone would start developing apps for flash and bypass the app store, either doing ad supported products or charging for it in some way. Its just Apple doing what Apple does best: screwing over their own customers in the name of profit.
- mochaman, on 11/02/2009, -4/+15Flash doesn't get any sympathy from diggers, but in principle I'm supporting Adobe and developers who want to be able to port their apps to the iPhone.
- swimtwobirds, on 11/02/2009, -5/+16yep. I've had enough of flash too. you'd swear it was ***** excalibur the way adobe go on about it.
this way, if we all tell flash to ***** off, then maybe adobe can go back to making decent non-***** bloatware design applications with proper ***** interfaces. do you hear this adobe?
CS4 is ***** ***** INTERFACE DESIGN. - Orbital101, on 11/02/2009, -2/+13"You shouldn't cry for either of these companies."
I never would.
"But don't pretend that Apple is the champion of an open-internet."
I wouldn't do that, either. All I'm saying is that Adobe's trying to blame Apple for a problem that's mostly their own doing. There's lots of stuff to get mad at Apple for, but this isn't one of them. - pedronym, on 11/02/2009, -7/+18How about this? Is it possible to build with HTML5 / CSS / JS?
http://www.hobnox.com/index.1056.de.html
Flash is an unquestionable presence on the web (at least for the time being).
The fact that it is proprietary is no excuse for letting Apple (nor Adobe) off the hook on this one. - captainchris, on 11/02/2009, -2/+13flash cs4 idles at 14% cpu. even when it's hidden or minimized and i haven't touched it for a day.
adobe needs to learn how to make proper mac apps before bashing apple. cs4 is a buggy piece of *****. -
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