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: : : : : : :¯’’~~~~~~’’’ : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : | : : : : : : : : : - blackmesa, on 07/03/2008, -0/+52The summary is pretty misleading. There is "absolutely no possibility" that they will disconnect users IN REGARDS TO a letter they sent saying “Important: If you don’t read this, your broadband could be disconnected" on the envelope. The letter was an "educational" one created by the UK's version of **AA type organisations.
So, it's not like they'd never consider disconnecting you. In fact there are laws in the works that will probably end up forcing them (the 'three strikes, you're out" type legislation. - mike0k, on 07/03/2008, -0/+28lol by reading that you might actually get the idea that virgin media is a well represented ethical company......
knowing this company i wouldn't be surprised if they introduced a service charge for not ratting us out. - dullnation, on 07/03/2008, -0/+20Still, that doesn't excuse this:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/virgin_let ...
And more importantly this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7483675.stm
I left them due to their crappy capping system and traffic management. Unlimited my arse.
Long live Be Broadband! - aliguana, on 07/03/2008, -1/+17trying to salvage their customer-base before they migrate en-masse?
- inactive, on 07/03/2008, -2/+18That's a crock of *****.
Lock your doors. - oblongmouth, on 07/03/2008, -2/+18No ***** props.
They're talking *****, now if I could get an alternative cable provider here in the UK, that doesn't throttle or hand my details over I would. - spoogieking012, on 07/03/2008, -15/+31mad props to virgin. now if we can just get that assurance from ISPs in the US...
- digitalpencil, on 07/03/2008, -1/+14Screw VM, i'm signed up to their XL package but not for much longer. They're a ***** firm, demanding protection money from the likes of BBC and Channel 4 for their respective onDemand services or suffer throttles. Not to mention the caps that come into play as soon as you download over their tiny limit. I didn't sign up to 20mb broadband to have my line severed so it only serves google!
***** VM! I'm glad they've finally taken a stance against the BPI but it'll be a cold day in hell before i sign up for their service again. - 88chrisb, on 07/03/2008, -0/+11It's a case of you scratch my back (don't pass on details to the BPI), I'll scratch yours (I pay you £30 a month for 20mb broadband when your actually giving me 10.)
- mickstephenson, on 07/03/2008, -0/+9I'm seriously thinking of paying the £10 a month to go with a VPN service like http://www.vpntunnel.co.uk/
- Sillywombat, on 07/03/2008, -0/+9Please... let the mice come to the cheese.
Then, when its best for them, they will just change their user agreement. (most likely without telling anyone)
Every apect of virgin is dirty, they currently own the worst creadit card company in the UK, that will try and swindle you out of a singular penny if they could! They're entire business ethnics is big profit for their shareholders, ***** who gets in the way, even if it is their customers. - anonymous1986, on 07/03/2008, -0/+8***** virgin sucks, they are against net neutrality and the bastards have just recently started sending out letters to people who they have detected as using file-sharing applications. Furthermore they cap your dload speeds during peak hours. I hope to move service providers as soon as possible.
- dullnation, on 07/03/2008, -1/+8Well, would you rather have a ***** yet "faster" cable service that doesn't deliver, or pay for something thats a little slower yet, you get what you pay for?
I actually get the speed I'm paying for (24mbit) all the time, without any complaints from Be, they don't monitor what I do either.
They're an isp, and they do what they're supposed to. Provide me a service. - em22, on 07/03/2008, -1/+8im going to migrate from these suckers. do not want.
- borez, on 07/03/2008, -0/+7All hail Be... King of the Britons
- deathsythe, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6Someone tell this to Viacom when it comes to their videos.
- Shawkab, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6Remember guys, "Net neutrality is bullox" -Virgin CEO
- SeaICIubber, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5He did his research, Be are brilliant. I get good constant speeds and they leave me alone...
I can't understand why people stick with the "cable is better" mantra when they're plainly screwing you. I used to use cable when it was good (Blueyonder before the decline into NTL and then Virgin Media) - stillrealvicz, on 07/03/2008, -2/+7Yes but wait till they implement phorm - then they will be spying on EVERYTHING you do - check out http://www.badphorm.co.uk and http://nodpi.org BETTER MOVE QUICK BEFORE THE PHORM PR TEAM GET HERE AND BURY THIS AS USUAL
- chazuk, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5bethere.co.uk
I cried when we moved home to a non be enabled area. I never had any issues and always had a stable connection. My only issue was with the speedtouch modem which we promptly replaced! - insanebrain, on 07/03/2008, -3/+7haven't seen that one for a few days.
- arlok789, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4I have a difficult time believing this simply because Virgin makes A LOT of money selling music. I have mixed feelings about all of this. As a business owner I feel one way, but as a dirty internet thief, I feel another. Oh well.
- borez, on 07/03/2008, -1/+5Virgin may not disconnect you...but you can be damn well sure that if you do download files, they'll choke your bandwidth to nothing.
FTR: I used Virgin for a month two years ago ( I upload and download huge music files between me and my clients... all legal ) and it brought my productivity to a standstill. Their reply to this: " Well you shouldn't have been using the connection for work related stuff"
My reply to them: " See ya!! " I had to basically lie as well to get them to give me a transfer ( MAC ) number, " Sure I'll pay you for the whole year " ( for something that doesn't sodding work ) as I emptied my money between accounts so that when they did try and get it, there wasn't anything to get. They chased me for the cash for a while, but eventually gave in.
Horrid company.. steer clear.
I know use Bethere Broadband. And that's fine by me. - jotty, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Richard Branson is the largest shareholder of Virgin Media, as Virgin Mobile merged with NTL/Telewest to create Virgin Media. He still has a lot of say in the company, as it's his brand that gets ruined if they do badly.
Branson was bitten hard by the downturn in sales in Virgin Megastore, and he still has record label interests that must be doing badly from people downloading music. I can see that this is Bransons influence in Virgin Media's anti-piracy campaign trying to get people buying music again. - durzagott, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4I love my Be Broadband! Fast, reliable and great for torrents.
- borez, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Cried? I wouldn't have moved.
- dbr_onix, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3If they did that (screw with VPN traffic), they would get a lot of complaints from people using VPN's for work. I suppose they could throttle specific sites, but I doubt that.
I've not actually used one of the non-stupid-country-VPNs (like vpntunnel, relakks, secureIX etc) other than the free trial periods, so I could be wrong, but the obvious problems are:
- Speed and latency: all your packets going though another country is always going to be slower than directly to the server (not for throttled bittorrent connections obviously, but for day-to-day browsing, or gaming for example)
- Paranoia: you are sending all your network traffic out via some random third-party. When SecureIX was on Digg, about half the comments seemed to be paranoia regarding SecureIX giving information on torrents downloaded to the RIAA/MPAA etc.. Really I doubt this is an issue (as getting seeds/peers from torrent trackers is trivial, and far less effort/bandwidth than running a tunnel that will get a few peoples activity, as opposed to thousands..)
The latency could be solved by setting up the VPN running your torrent client on a dedicated machine (or also functioning as a file-server and such), or a virtual machine. The speed is mostly an issue with the provider who has enough bandwidth (The free SecureIX service are incredibly slow, for example, a paid server will probably be quicker). The paranoia is really an unsolvable problem, I suppose finding one who's user-agreement specifies that they log no data whatsoever (Relakks for example - https://www.relakks.com/faq/legal/ ), and running the VPN only on a dedicated torrent-machine could help too, so you're not sending anything but torrent transfers (not your email logins and such)
Another possible problem with the VPN is that it bypasses your routers NAT (which stops inbound connections from the internet), so you have to setup a software firewall on your local machine (unless the service offers firewalling of it's own, but this normally means you can't open ports for your torrent client..). Once again, running it in a "disposable" virtual machine, or an OS that isn't Windows would help with this (OS X/most-Linux-distros almost all ship with no listening sockets, so have almost no issues with worm-viruses - No DCOM, NETBIOS and such!)
You can share data with other uses of the VPN like a LAN, as that's precisely what it functions like.. You just have to connect to the other uses VPN IP address (not the IP assigned to them by their ISP) - noots, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4can anyone outline the downsides of a service like this? Presumabilly if the ISP's notice a ridiculously huge increase in VPN traffic they will put something in place to stop it?
and well, does it actually work? - SeaICIubber, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3iirc Be and O2 (who now own Be) came top of some recent consumer survey. (think it was mentioned on the BBC)
- daverave999, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Yeah, Blueyonder were great. I was so chuffed with my 2 meg line in 1999.
- grimfandango, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3An idea to prevent this...
http://suprbay.org/showthread.php?p=172549#post172 ... - widgetmaker, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Even if not now, they've savaged their reputation in the UK, my home internet will be switch from them soon ad we were going to go with them at university but decided not to now. Hopefully we're not the only ones and their share will drop enough to cause them to wake up.
- mickstephenson, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2Yeah, thanks for that. Seems like there are pros and cons either side, but if ISP monitoring is going the way it seems to be going the pro's will eventually outweigh the cons. Thankyou for the informative post.
- jamesdew, on 07/03/2008, -2/+4Virgin Media is just a rebranding of the UK company NTL. I think branson got some shares for letting them use the name.
- mickstephenson, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2That's good to hear, in my area everyone uses Virgin so I don't hear much about ADSL and I have always been wary of it, but I also have to take into account I will most likely need to switch the phone to BT where I will be paying extra line rental instead of the package we get from Virgin where the line rental is next to nothing. For the extra money I could be getting a service like I mentioned in another post on this page, VPN tunnel, where my security is completely assured.
But your testimony has certainly made the adsl route look more appealing. - mickstephenson, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Also I would like to know can you share files with other users of the VPN just like being on a local network?
- mickstephenson, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Did make alot of money, they sold out to Zavvi so I doubt they care anymore.
- chazuk, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2It's really nice to know that all the paedophiles who look at, share or make illicit images on-line are not being hounded like this.
it's a ***** shame that the music industry is more important and that people sharing music are called out like Virgin have done so.
I'm not advocating piracy but for ***** sake Virgin, get your priorities straight! - mamboboy, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3It's not as if file-sharing is detrimental to their service though is it? throttling all P2P to ISDN speeds at normal surfing hours and a ~30GB bandwidth limit means it doesn't matter whether they ban it or not...so just make the majority happy and refuse to stand down to these anti-file sharing muppets
- grimfandango, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2can you inject data into an SSL connection? hmm, wouldn't that cause some of security error?
- dbr_onix, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Err, they are. There are dedicated sections of the police that go after pedophiles.. The difference being *slightly* more people download music than child-pornography, so the news tends to focus slightly more on ISP's possibly disconnection people that download music..
- noots, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2wow thanks for that informative post dude.
- Ryosen, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Well, spank my ass and call me "Charlie"
- skidpro, on 07/03/2008, -1/+2I get disconnected from Virgin Media tomorrow out of choice due to bandwidth throttling, faulty service and expensive...goodbye Virgin 2MB BB £17.99 and hello o2 16MB for £7.50 and goodbye £39 per month TV and hello to sky for £28 per month with more and better programming and no sudden losses of services, no more 20 mins of listening to music to report faults on my BT line costing me even more money, you know, if there TV/BB goes down after midnight you cant report the fault until 8am next day!!! well that's crappy too..I was with telewest 8 years, Virgin 2 years so it shows what Branson did, screwed it all up...
- dullnation, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1The speedtouch is rather cheap. Some people have trouble, others don't. I don't but then again, I use wired ethernet and wireless is where the trouble seems to lie.
- chazuk, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1I know they are working with the police to sort out the filthy ***** online but if it's as easy that they can identify what track was being downloaded and by whom as they supposedly have this time, then why aren't there more publicised arrests of perverts online?
- kevyn, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1Be tell me that I should hopefully get 8mb... which simply isn't good enough compared to the 20mb I get from Virgin (and I actually do get 20mb...every now and again it drops to 18mb...but I can deal with that)
Be broadband means I have to subscribe to a ***** BT phone line which I don't want either.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to go to Be there... but paying extra and getting involved with BT is no fun game - dullnation, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1That's an impressive speed for 1999! We didn't even get broadband in our town until 2001, it was at 512Kb for a year even then :P
- mickstephenson, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1because until you prosecute someone publicising the arrest is slander especially for pedophile cases. Police != Media
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