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- PacoDG, on 10/12/2007, -15/+186Good choice taking away the top list. Adds nothing to the site.
Now just bring back the ability to search through the stories I dugg and we are all set.
Random: Why is it faster/easier to sometimes use google to search digg rather than digg's own search (using site:digg.com) - digitalgopher, on 10/12/2007, -10/+172One of the reasons that Digg is truly a great site is because it's dynamic and does not get stale. What worked in year one may not work in year two and I think the folks at Digg recognize that. Perhaps the top users list did add to the site at one time (and it still may be useful to many depending on how they use it). Clearly, their feeling is that right now, as a whole, the list is perhaps doing more 'harm' than good. Which is probably why they decided to get rid of it.
I appreciate Digg being sensitive to all users. I look forward to the alternative that they plan to roll out in the future. - iconoclast7, on 10/12/2007, -6/+159something needs to be done about dupes too
- mikev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+67Dear digg,
Please let us delete our own comments within the same time period of edits.
Seeing a bunch of "digg down" comments annoy me.
I'm not alone.
Sincerely,
mikev - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+60Hey, how about a windows/microsoft section? People have been asking for this forever. There's a linux one, and there's certainly an apple one.
- jayadelson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+46(listening)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+34Bummer, oh well. Time to save a screenshot of the top list.
Thanks for your work guys. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36Removing the Top User list will further strengthen the noobs and spammers. Digg needs some way to reward those who contribute valuable information, or participate on a level more than casual diggers.
I don't think the top Diggers were the problem, I think it's those casual diggers who sign up to either spam, or just get a few stories on the front page FOR KICKS are the problem.
I would like Digg to be slightly more technical and informative than other sites of its kind. I don't think Digg should empower the lowest of the low to gain the ability to censor professionals or anyone that provides useful info or understands what the important topics of the day really are.
Kevin, and the Digg staff, if you haven't already, why don't you try posting as an unknown user and then see how you will be dug down and humiliated as soon as you oppose any one of the major fanboy groups here on Digg. You will be dug down even for telling the truth, or posting helpful links. Try posting stories anonymously and see how people behave towards you.
I think you should experience Digg from the trenches and see how screwed up the comment and story system really is. In Digg, the fanboys rule (those here solely to promote their corporate fetishes), not the Top Diggers. - stevesearer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36Suggesting friends is a great idea. One of the most difficult things about friends currently is that I have no way to know who to friend without scouring their digging history, which is a big waste of time. Maybe I am different that other people, but I don't like green flags on every article.... I just want to find stuff that interests me, this addition will greatly enhance the friends system.
- bioskope, on 10/12/2007, -14/+45its sad though that people like you digitalgopher who have contributed no end to this site have to have even this tiny bit of recognition taken away from them because of jackasses.
But seriously dude one of these days you have to teach me how to get crap to the front page. I hope i dont need to add the sarcasm tag - digitalgopher, on 10/12/2007, -6/+37@bioskope:
Believe me dude, I'm totally bummed about this because it does take away recognition from folks like me who contribute a lot to the site. I guess I'm being faithful (perhaps blindly faithful) that the alternative will continue to recognize top contributors. I hope so.
oh, and send me an email. :) - nonchai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Here are two things that i think would be nice to add to Digg:
1) A seperate "agree/disagree" button against comments, along with a seperate agree score. Why ? sometimes we might disagree with a point being made in a comment, but not want to bury that comment - for example when we believe an argument has been well made and deserves to be read , but one still disagrees with the premise itself. This could mean for example that we could digg something down because it is lame , but still put in a vote for the opinion being expressed.
2) please please please allow comments to be displayed as proper threads, as per normal bulletin boards or forums. the single level indenting is very crude. I imagine this may be a limitation of AJAX performance. - fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32Until digg gets real threading, it will suffer from lower quality comments than is really necessary. Comments that are replies to other comments are very difficult to follow when they are 10, 20 even 50 posts away from the one they are remarking on, and where there is no visual indication of who is commenting on what.
Digg users do a good job of trying to workaround this problem by using the @user notation, but they really shouldn't have to. Proper threading has been in place since the telephone BBS systems of the 1980's; Digg's comment problems simply reek of lack of programming skill.
Preview and basic formatting (bold, italics, quoting) wouldn't be a bad idea, either.... - carguy84, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27PLEASE fix the login cookie issue where for no reason you're suddenly logged out, but if you refresh a few times you're logged back in. It's a real pain in the ass getting shipped to the login page when you just want to digg some ones comment. It gets real old real fast and discourages people from interacting with the site.
- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29BigKitty it's obvious your life had revolved around becoming an uberdigger in an attempt to gain some sort of "-e-credibility." Maybe to give weight to your racist or Christian-slanted perspectives, who knows.
The one great part about this change is that it puts you back in the pen, little piggy. I welcome it. - bioskope, on 10/12/2007, -10/+30something needs to be done about dupes too
- D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22You can't blame dupes on Digg, it's the users fault...Digg has done just about all they can short of banning 2 posts from a site....
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22I generally support the idea of removing the top diggers list.
The only problem is, there's a pretty good chance that someone's just gonna roll out their own version, based on the digg API and/or just spidering digg itself. - Aidenag, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26I give it 2 weeks before everyone realizes the top user list had nothing to do with the "Gaming" that goes on here. The largest offenders are the lesser knowns who dont have tons of users keeping tabs on what the they do, as is(was) the case with most of the top users.
Real key to stopping "Gaming" is to stop the "Ill rub your back, if you rub mine" system that Kevin has proped up and promoted for so long. But we all know that will never happen. - titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Digg has down so much about Dupes, in fact it has extended so far to their awesome Dupe checker which inconveniently leaves out the actual dupes. I've had this happen where I submit a story, not a single dupe comes up (just random stories from 400 days ago) and someone submitted the story before me and notes it on my submit. Like any other Digger should, Digg the other and bury your own but if Digg had a better dupe checker then maybe a lot of dupes will be cut down.
- tastethevenom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"I give it 2 weeks before everyone realizes the top user list had nothing to do with the "Gaming" that goes on here. The largest offenders are the lesser knowns who dont have tons of users keeping tabs on what the they do, as is(was) the case with most of the top users."
I agree. And isn't funny how spikethevote (now gone, by a stroke of luck) got a mention, but not http://www.usersubmitter.com which is still around, still ***** with the system?
This is a site that has had nothing to do with Top Users, and works by paying any user to digg stories. But, sure... let's pin the gaming on top users. - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Meh. I'd rather see some sort of universal karma based on submissions and comments rather than what's there now anyway.
- D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14and how about people who insist on signing their comments?
A fake letter is one thing, but so many people sign all of their comments...
-D3koy - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14That reminds me:
How about just a simple "Report Spam" button in the comments section? When you press it, it lets you send a private message to the Digg abuse department, along with a copy of the offending post.
If anyone then abuses this button, like sending a flood of PMs asking for free beer, they can be banned too. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Without ranks, the spammers will have even more power, because you won't know who just signed up and who the long-term users are.
- canewediggit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13kitty- i have no interest debating your quotes that captainherb posted. i wouldn't waste my time debating a klansman's racist comments about the black population, and i'm not going to waste it debating your disgusting comments about muslims. you can sleep tight with your own delusions and tell yourself i have no evidence or alternative if it makes you feel better. i have better things to do.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12[quote]Also, it has not escaped my notice that they are mostly politically liberal, so this will no doubt spare them the humiliation of watching some upcoming ardent conservatives and anti-jihadists like myself join their number.[/quote]
Did I misread that, or did you just imply that top Diggers are pro-Jihad "liberals"? - tzon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I, for one, will miss the Top Users list. Though silly, I like seeing my name rise to the top after getting dugg. If only I had more time in the day, I'd be in the top 100. sigh.
- jayadelson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11OBKenobi: We've got a few ideas in the area of more places users can mark/flag things as spam, but as an alert to us and for algorithmic purposes. Stay tuned.
BigKitty: Sorry you're so upset about all of this. We do intend on providing some ability to know how you score on Digg in the future, as the blog post indicates. The trick will be how do do so without an outright rank, and we are experimenting with a number of possibilities. I think you'll approve of them.
canewediggit: Thanks... We really do believe in allowing individual personality to exist and a social component of digg to be powerful. I think that we just need to do a better job of making that profile useful to the users. I don't want to remove personality/identity, particularly where your friends are concerned. What we do in some areas of Digg may not apply in others, don't forget... So we have to be careful how we stress that identity at different parts of the process. Lots of fun debate internally over this, thanks for the input. Regarding language sites, yes, it's on our radar... I don't want to dilute the team and the feature development here just yet, but we're investigating the best ways to do that as we speak.
popdmb: Hmm... Like save comments you like to your profile? Hmmm... good idea. We'll discuss it, for sure.
captainherb: Oh, this is easy... You should see what it's like when we open it up for debate at my house on Thanksgiving. ;) - nsharp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Here are a few suggestions from me:
1. When you submit a url, digg sometimes tells you if it has already been submitted, other times it doesnt say that until you fill in a description etc.. is there a way to fix this?
2. stories should be judged based on the story, not who submitted it,etc. What I mean is now, a story is dugg usually, based on who it was who submitted the story - what this means is usually, an ordinary digg user submits a story and it's ignored till its re-submitted by someone more important (with more friends)
[One way this could be fixed is a story could initially not show who submitted it till it crosses a voting threshold, then it could show submitted by] - even when a story is submitted by a friend this should apply. That way more people would actually be tempted to read the story instead of "Digging it because my friend dugg it"
3. The whole burial process needs to be rethought. As it is, stories can be arbitarily buried based on various reasons, but stories don't show who buried them or why. People regularly bury stories relating to competing products (For example a Microsoft fan will bury a story regarding Linux] I suggest that stories show exactly which users buried a story, and for what reason. Also, each persons account should show what stories they buried.
A lot of stories get buried. Heck, I did a calculation which shows that around 25% of front page stories are buried. Give or take faulty math, that's still a lot!
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/5_biggest_stories_that_got_buried_on_DIGG
4. The whole friends thing should be reconsidered. Right now, most people just go online, check what their friends dugg, and digg that. This means that digg now consists of a few large 'groups' of digg users who vote on each others stories regardless of content. - AhrenBa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Can someone explain to me why they still haven't brought back the ability to search your own diggs? I used that all the time!
- thepromise, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Excellent update and reminder of what makes Digg great.... but ummm,
Did anyone else have lines burned into their retinas after reading that? - captinherb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13"Yes, sockpuppets/Roger/dshPls/mightydavefish/nazuragi "
What the hell? I don't even get a mention??
Well at least I can review bigkitty quotes:
"Under no circumstances should Muslims be allowed to enter non-Muslim countries, even as tourists."
"I am no apologist for the Spanish Inquisition...Islam was and still is a grave threat to the survival of both, and the actions that Spain took to expel Muslims at that time proved to be absolutely vital to the survival of western European civilization."
"I believe that we need a constitutional amendment that removes Islam from the definition of a religion with First Amendment protections....we will need to become stronger Christians ourselves, and be forthright about the fact that we believe that this religion is the truth. We have to go out and make converts, difficult as that may be. But if we don't have a strong enough basis in faith for ourselves, we won't have anything to defend. Nobody goes to war for religious neutrality or secular humanism."
"I think what would help is converting them to Christianity. That's how St. Patrick put a stop to human sacrifice and slavery in Ireland."
And in regards to shipping ALL muslims out of the US:
"I find it necessary to point out that it is too dangerous even to send them home in their own clothes. We can provide garments for them to wear on the plane, and we can ship their personal effects (after screening out the hazmats) by separate conveyance."
Bigkitty you're nuttier than squirrel poop - sovereign3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I really like the idea of being able to connect with users with similar interests.
One thing that has always been peculiar to me about Digg is that although it's essentially Web 2.0 and can potentially leverage the social aspect of the site, it has thus far not utilized such features. Tweaking the Friends feature and adding new features that will truly allow for a more social experience-- besides commenting on stories-- is just the final touch on what could revolutionize the way we view content.
I'm glad that the Digg staff listens to its users and even elicited feedback before making a drastic change. It's reflective of what makes Digg such a great site. Keep up the good work guys! - Egotrippin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Awww, I just broke the TOP 25,000.
- SoundJudgment, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10>> Please let us delete our own comments within the same time period of edits.
Quoted For Truth. - captinherb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@bigkitty
"I don't mind the fact that I've attracted so many adversaries"
Boy, you sure do whine about it a lot for not minding. I'm willing to bet abuse@digg.com will attest to that. - unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@bigkitty AH a great post?...
who are you kidding! This kitty has more ***** coming out of her candy ass, then a cow stunned by a scarecrow. I don't care what her intention was, her intentions don't affect the inaccuracy of her post. I usually don't wake up in the morning with constant desires of having total strangers polish my knob.
Now, thanks to the Digg Team, each digg user has the ability to bury crappy comment by acting against them. Just bury a comment because of inferior content until they redeem themselves, at least we already have that. In other words, It's called the quality of your posts. The ***** your submission, the faster they disappear.
Kevin Rose (Architect of Digg) was the first on the scene where readers vote on the best stories, numerous wannabes tried to come into the market and steal his ideas and user base. Ever since I've been on Digg, I've never been able to go anywhere else to get news. its the place to be and I hope it still is years from now. I hope that DIGG can survive the second dot com burst. Digg.com might explode, if it becomes a mainstream source of information. Digg is receiving more link backs from the more mainstream media web Goliaths say, Yahoo, MSN and Google. Just imagine what will happen to this site very soon. Which types of diggers do you think are affecting this?.
Often imitated, never duplicated. - mikev, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10d3k0y,
IMO - signatures just scream people spamming their blogs. One ChandlerKent is enough - unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@bigkitty you obviously, don't understand the purpose of digg.
What part of the words "Social Democracy" don't you understand? Digg is a democracy, none are perfect but perfection is their goal. Digg has minorities groups they equally hold burring power there called the "The Habitual Buriers" and digg is a place where all real diggers have equal value, Also don't forget about, the factor the casual digger plays.
On your question about 'Top Submitters?' the top diggers will continue to submit the most stories. How does these Diggers constantly increase their rankings? The answer is simple really, because they have a record of being available to find a lot of stuff to post. The cooler your submissions, the more curious eyes balls you'll get. Diggers aren't very forgiving of shoddy journalism.
I strongly believe each digg member have the same level of liability and valued voice as any other digg member. Now everyone knows that digg has rivals, if you dislike Digg.com simply go visit the "others" sometime (e.g. slashdot.org, fark.com, newsvine.com, reddit.com). Moderators/higher User-classes do not represent a direct social Democracy voting atmosphere. Period. Now with Digg, people are able to solve all sorts of massive problems by sharing information. Without authoritative restrictions and punishments on the community. Digg is a free community, not a pay service (with zero nominal fees). I think not having adverts plastered all over the site (which is what most tech news sites do nowadays) is thanks enough.
please stop trolling, Digg is a work in progress - jayadelson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9...Interesting.
- ryland2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Well, it would be nice if they just stopped the separation, I think everyone can see the separation was a failure; less people go there now then ever...
- madformadness, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I have never had problem with the cookies, i think the issue is on your side. I have been logged into Digg for over a month now. As long as you don't delete your cookies you will stay logged in.
- cameron074, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@bigkitty
I've really tried to keep an open mind regarding your commenting on this site, but at this point you deserve all trashing you receive. If you leave, good. - richstyles, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Some of you are funny. What are we trying to become? A collection of equal opportunity, politically correct liberals.
"false competition" what? HEY let's just remove the Digg button and give everyone their equal share on the front page!!! That'll solve ALL the problems!
All the people piping in about how this is a good thing are just jealous of the top users because they're good at what they do. Get over it! - Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@ bigkitty
I read through and notice many of your comments even though I don't usually comment on them. Since you asked, I'll tell you why you get such harsh treatment, and I don't even know that it has anything to do with Digg or its social mechanism.
When you make a claim like.... "Muslims should never be allowed into non-Muslim countries, even as tourists," it doesnt add anything to the argument. Why shouldn't they be? .. and show me a rational reason why not. Source something. Quote a respectable publication (hint: do not quote someone who blogs. Show me a quote from Reuters, Times, etc. and I'll give it some merit)
Even though people that say "Atheism FTW ... Christians are as nuts as Scientologists all religion should be banned!!!11!" .. get dugg up.... doesn't mean they arent as ***** crazy as you are. They too add nothing to the argument ... and I think you're getting +diggs confused with credibility.
Make a good, rational sourced point about why you dont think Muslims shouldn't be here and I'll digg you up. The problem is, you can't, because no such reason exists. - unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9The top diggers list, just got PLUTOED!
- DigiDave, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@BigKitty: get a hold of yourself man!!!!!!!
Look at you. Just look at you!!!!
This whole thread, this whole post -- is about Digg. Not only about Digg, but about how people compose themselves in the community.
There are accusations of people gamming/burying whatever -- and then you go insane on the message board. If I had a bucket of cold water I'd throw it on you and give some coach-like speech. You've lost it. Now get it together man. Please, for the sack of conversation here.
I've noticed all your submissions. Can't say I have particularly been fond of them. But now I can't in good faith ever really digg them. I'm sorry man -- you've lost my digg for life. And no, not because of the content of your future submissions (they might be good), but just because I don't think you are stable.
I'll put it in terms you can understand. A large percentage of the people who voted for Bush cited his personal character as the basis of their votes. Not his agenda, intelligence etc -- his PERSONAL CHARACTER.
Well. Now I've seen your personal character. Thank you. Now that I've said my peace. I'm going to find another place in this post to comment on the real subject at hand --- Digg itself. I have my own two cents about that. - captinherb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"to be continued..."
Oh please for the love of god noooo... - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14send me your email address, I'll email you a free "I pissed my life away on Digg and all I got was this lousy mousepad" mousepad. Also a BigKitty 12 months of summer bikini calendar.
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