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A Couple of Updates from Digg
blog.digg.com — Kevin Rose explains some upcoming changes to Digg. He addresses issues of gaming, the top user list, and some new features that are in the works.
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- PacoDG, on 10/12/2007, -15/+186Good choice taking away the top list. Adds nothing to the site.
Now just bring back the ability to search through the stories I dugg and we are all set.
Random: Why is it faster/easier to sometimes use google to search digg rather than digg's own search (using site:digg.com)- digitalgopher, on 10/12/2007, -10/+172One of the reasons that Digg is truly a great site is because it's dynamic and does not get stale. What worked in year one may not work in year two and I think the folks at Digg recognize that. Perhaps the top users list did add to the site at one time (and it still may be useful to many depending on how they use it). Clearly, their feeling is that right now, as a whole, the list is perhaps doing more 'harm' than good. Which is probably why they decided to get rid of it.
I appreciate Digg being sensitive to all users. I look forward to the alternative that they plan to roll out in the future. - stevesearer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36Suggesting friends is a great idea. One of the most difficult things about friends currently is that I have no way to know who to friend without scouring their digging history, which is a big waste of time. Maybe I am different that other people, but I don't like green flags on every article.... I just want to find stuff that interests me, this addition will greatly enhance the friends system.
- bioskope, on 10/12/2007, -14/+45its sad though that people like you digitalgopher who have contributed no end to this site have to have even this tiny bit of recognition taken away from them because of jackasses.
But seriously dude one of these days you have to teach me how to get crap to the front page. I hope i dont need to add the sarcasm tag - ryland2, on 10/12/2007, -14/+22It does add something, competition. I really hope this doesn't happen, and if it does, I hope they don't remove the "Rank", It's great to compete with people in front of you.
- Aidenag, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26I give it 2 weeks before everyone realizes the top user list had nothing to do with the "Gaming" that goes on here. The largest offenders are the lesser knowns who dont have tons of users keeping tabs on what the they do, as is(was) the case with most of the top users.
Real key to stopping "Gaming" is to stop the "Ill rub your back, if you rub mine" system that Kevin has proped up and promoted for so long. But we all know that will never happen. - simplenation, on 10/12/2007, -40/+9@digitalgopher
please tell us what you do for a living - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22I generally support the idea of removing the top diggers list.
The only problem is, there's a pretty good chance that someone's just gonna roll out their own version, based on the digg API and/or just spidering digg itself. - affanjam, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Digg should have a option in the profile setting to hide your profile from the search engines. Because since it has such a high PR its all ways coming up at the top, and if someone searches me up my digg profile come up first.
- inmatarian, on 10/12/2007, -13/+5I agree on removing the list of Top Users. Not only does stuff like that encourage gaming, it becomes a position so unattainable that the average person could never reach it and get discouraged from participating.
- digitalgopher, on 10/12/2007, -6/+37@bioskope:
Believe me dude, I'm totally bummed about this because it does take away recognition from folks like me who contribute a lot to the site. I guess I'm being faithful (perhaps blindly faithful) that the alternative will continue to recognize top contributors. I hope so.
oh, and send me an email. :) - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Meh. I'd rather see some sort of universal karma based on submissions and comments rather than what's there now anyway.
- fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32Until digg gets real threading, it will suffer from lower quality comments than is really necessary. Comments that are replies to other comments are very difficult to follow when they are 10, 20 even 50 posts away from the one they are remarking on, and where there is no visual indication of who is commenting on what.
Digg users do a good job of trying to workaround this problem by using the @user notation, but they really shouldn't have to. Proper threading has been in place since the telephone BBS systems of the 1980's; Digg's comment problems simply reek of lack of programming skill.
Preview and basic formatting (bold, italics, quoting) wouldn't be a bad idea, either.... - tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Digg will never work in the long term if some users are picked out as being more 'special' than others. If the Top Users really do submit the best stuff consistently, then nothing will change and we'll all carry on. On the other hand, now that there's no indication as to who has the biggest ePenis, cliques may perhaps no longer form around those users and the group digging may die down (having said that, although I believe the Top Users list was the cause, now that everyone has added top users as friends it won't make much difference anyway).
Please don't get me wrong - the top users clearly submit *some* good stuff, or they simply wouldn't be in the position they are. But the thing is, *other* good stuff gets overlooked while 'not so good' submissions from the top users get FP'd just because there's a circle of people digging it simply because the person is a top user. In some cases, a low-ranked user will submit a story only for it to get overlooked, then submitted by a top user and FP'd. That's not the 'democracy' that Digg is about, is it?
It'll always be possible to get round it and still circle jerk, but removing as many tools to do so will help Digg in the long run. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36Removing the Top User list will further strengthen the noobs and spammers. Digg needs some way to reward those who contribute valuable information, or participate on a level more than casual diggers.
I don't think the top Diggers were the problem, I think it's those casual diggers who sign up to either spam, or just get a few stories on the front page FOR KICKS are the problem.
I would like Digg to be slightly more technical and informative than other sites of its kind. I don't think Digg should empower the lowest of the low to gain the ability to censor professionals or anyone that provides useful info or understands what the important topics of the day really are.
Kevin, and the Digg staff, if you haven't already, why don't you try posting as an unknown user and then see how you will be dug down and humiliated as soon as you oppose any one of the major fanboy groups here on Digg. You will be dug down even for telling the truth, or posting helpful links. Try posting stories anonymously and see how people behave towards you.
I think you should experience Digg from the trenches and see how screwed up the comment and story system really is. In Digg, the fanboys rule (those here solely to promote their corporate fetishes), not the Top Diggers. - tastethevenom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"I give it 2 weeks before everyone realizes the top user list had nothing to do with the "Gaming" that goes on here. The largest offenders are the lesser knowns who dont have tons of users keeping tabs on what the they do, as is(was) the case with most of the top users."
I agree. And isn't funny how spikethevote (now gone, by a stroke of luck) got a mention, but not http://www.usersubmitter.com which is still around, still ***** with the system?
This is a site that has had nothing to do with Top Users, and works by paying any user to digg stories. But, sure... let's pin the gaming on top users. - AhrenBa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Can someone explain to me why they still haven't brought back the ability to search your own diggs? I used that all the time!
- BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -38/+9Wrong.
The newest round of changes are a cheap cop-out on the part of Digg administration, who have not made even the slightest attempt to deal with the most egregious bad behaviour on the part of Digg users.
It would have been far better to remove from the rankings those users who were or are associated with SEO activities, and also to put a lifetime ban on the most vulgar and abusive of the tiny, but disproportionately active and vocal, "auto-burying" circle.
Instead, Digg administration has decided to take the competitive fun out of the site, squandering their capital and destroying their business model, so that Digg will no longer be any different from any other social bookmarking service.
It looks to me as though all of the original top Diggers are happy now because they got a head start on gaining their ranking, by fair means or by foul (mostly foul) when the amount of competition was less by orders of magnitude, and when there were practically no safeguards against gaming the system. Now they want to keep their standing without working too hard. A few months ago, the Digg algorithm changed so that they could no longer keep that position so easily, so their noses got out of joint.
At that point, I decided I'd try to see how high I could get in the rankings without gaming the system.
Today I hit 102, and now that I am this close to the top 100, I'm told that the ranking system is going to disappear.
It sure looks as though these changes are only to preserve the prestigious status of those who gained high ranking when there was far less competition, and far fewer safeguards, than now. It also looks as though the "old guard" is only too happy to encourage Digg's owners to drop the rankings entirely, rather than to suffer the humiliation of watching any ardent conservatives and anti-jihadists like myself join their number.
Despite what anybody wants to admit, competition is vitally important to maintaining long-term interest in interactive online sites. That's why people play WOW, and line up to buy Wii and so forth. That's why people watch, and participate in, sports. Stupid, stupid, stupid to remove competition from Digg.
For the time being, I will continue to submit stories that I believe are worth reading and important for other people to see--until such time as a competitor begins to put the fun back into the game and to take away the market share that Digg obviously no longer deserves.
Digg - the new Friendster. - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29BigKitty it's obvious your life had revolved around becoming an uberdigger in an attempt to gain some sort of "-e-credibility." Maybe to give weight to your racist or Christian-slanted perspectives, who knows.
The one great part about this change is that it puts you back in the pen, little piggy. I welcome it. - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -26/+4"The only problem is, there's a pretty good chance that someone's just gonna roll out their own version, based on the digg API and/or just spidering digg itself."
Wellll...Digg will probably block the first option, but they can't block the second option without destroying Digg entirely. That might be the only possibility that could save Digg from itself.
As soon as anybody does that, no doubt the results will appear on the main radar screen here in Kittyville.... - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -29/+5Many of the problems on Digg could have been solved simply by banning the likes of sockpuppets/dshPls/Roger (who are either the same person, or share the same bed, and who have been over-the-top abusive to me and others on Digg).
- tehubersheezy, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2this topix is supported by black people
- valeyard, on 10/12/2007, -12/+13Ah! The naive . . .
Do you get what this all means??????
It means Digg knows damn well they are being manipulated. They have no intention of doing anything about the manipulation, and in fact to FACILITATE the manipulation they are going to now hide the people they know are most responsible for it.
In other words, digg's agenda is the same as the agenda of the people Digg claims to know are "gaming" the system. - nsharp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Here are a few suggestions from me:
1. When you submit a url, digg sometimes tells you if it has already been submitted, other times it doesnt say that until you fill in a description etc.. is there a way to fix this?
2. stories should be judged based on the story, not who submitted it,etc. What I mean is now, a story is dugg usually, based on who it was who submitted the story - what this means is usually, an ordinary digg user submits a story and it's ignored till its re-submitted by someone more important (with more friends)
[One way this could be fixed is a story could initially not show who submitted it till it crosses a voting threshold, then it could show submitted by] - even when a story is submitted by a friend this should apply. That way more people would actually be tempted to read the story instead of "Digging it because my friend dugg it"
3. The whole burial process needs to be rethought. As it is, stories can be arbitarily buried based on various reasons, but stories don't show who buried them or why. People regularly bury stories relating to competing products (For example a Microsoft fan will bury a story regarding Linux] I suggest that stories show exactly which users buried a story, and for what reason. Also, each persons account should show what stories they buried.
A lot of stories get buried. Heck, I did a calculation which shows that around 25% of front page stories are buried. Give or take faulty math, that's still a lot!
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/5_biggest_stories_that_got_buried_on_DIGG
4. The whole friends thing should be reconsidered. Right now, most people just go online, check what their friends dugg, and digg that. This means that digg now consists of a few large 'groups' of digg users who vote on each others stories regardless of content. - Roger, on 10/12/2007, -14/+10@BigKitty
Shut up troll. - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@fyngyrz
"Comments that are replies to other comments are very difficult to follow when they are 10, 20 even 50 posts away from the one they are remarking on, and where there is no visual indication of who is commenting on what."
This is true...case in point...this comment on the above quote from another comment.
but the weirdest example of the no threading of comments problem happens when someone makes a strong, derisive comment on the comment of a person whom I have blocked.
Then, it appears in the visible sequence that the strong comment is on someone else, and not the intended person...who is totally invisible to me, since I have them blocked.
It sometimes creates confusion. - Jakerius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I support the decision. I think that Digg doesn't need to promote competition, because it's a social news website, not a race (although many see it that way, which I think is taking it a little bit too seriously).
At the same time, remember that Diggnation announces the name of the submitter who submitted the story they're reading. Therefore, the people that submit good stories and not only those that submit a ton of stories get recognised (UCBearCats, digitalgopher and of course, dirtyfratboy, come to mind). - charbarred, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If this is a community and not a race, please allow us to interact. I know that the common way to interact is to sign up to Netscape and message your digg friends, but it's about time digg had its own private messaging system.
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The sooner the "gotta catch 'em all" mentality of some diggers stops ruling their behaviour, the better.
Fewer things posted just to whore diggs would save a lot of burying. We'd also have a lot less negativity without the deliberate posting of redundant flame bait 100x over by Diggimon players just because flame wars rack up the diggs. - jriley101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@tastethevenom
Agree about usersubmitter. How about http://www.friendlyvote.com that has been around since spikethevote and its low balling and still seems to work?
- digitalgopher, on 10/12/2007, -10/+172One of the reasons that Digg is truly a great site is because it's dynamic and does not get stale. What worked in year one may not work in year two and I think the folks at Digg recognize that. Perhaps the top users list did add to the site at one time (and it still may be useful to many depending on how they use it). Clearly, their feeling is that right now, as a whole, the list is perhaps doing more 'harm' than good. Which is probably why they decided to get rid of it.
- bioskope, on 10/12/2007, -10/+30something needs to be done about dupes too
- iconoclast7, on 10/12/2007, -6/+159something needs to be done about dupes too
- idiggeverything, on 10/12/2007, -59/+7something needs to be done about dupes too
- mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -11/+17something needs to be done about.......... dammit
- mikev, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2hey, your comments are dupes...must...digg...down
(something must be done about dupe nazis as well) - D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22You can't blame dupes on Digg, it's the users fault...Digg has done just about all they can short of banning 2 posts from a site....
- HideoKojima, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1something needs to be done about dupes too
- pinkpostits, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2like, oh em gee, guys, i totally submitted that comment like five days ago, look- htttp://www.digg.com/OMG,DUPPPES!
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Digg has down so much about Dupes, in fact it has extended so far to their awesome Dupe checker which inconveniently leaves out the actual dupes. I've had this happen where I submit a story, not a single dupe comes up (just random stories from 400 days ago) and someone submitted the story before me and notes it on my submit. Like any other Digger should, Digg the other and bury your own but if Digg had a better dupe checker then maybe a lot of dupes will be cut down.
- thepromise, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Excellent update and reminder of what makes Digg great.... but ummm,
Did anyone else have lines burned into their retinas after reading that?- panique, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Big time. Still have the lines. Also, the white text kept jumping on that blue background.
I notice he didn't mention anything about gaming digg by burying stories, which I must say I have seen quite a bit of lately. - mendigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0The author of clause has mentioned and has opened excellent and a vital topic presently. Clause is written interestingly and the main thing actual. The same theme on Russian sites: http://pivo.in.ua http://www.alcogol.kiev.ua
- panique, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Big time. Still have the lines. Also, the white text kept jumping on that blue background.
- CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -4/+60Hey, how about a windows/microsoft section? People have been asking for this forever. There's a linux one, and there's certainly an apple one.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yeah, this has bothered me for a long time. There are so many stories I've submitted that are Windows or Microsoft-specific that really would fit better in a Microsoft/Windows category.
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10They tried making a Windows/Microsoft section...but it kept crashing.
- hotbeefman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9No Top Diggers is a great solution. Look at how removing leaderboards helped the cheating in Halo 2...
...oh wait - nonchai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Here are two things that i think would be nice to add to Digg:
1) A seperate "agree/disagree" button against comments, along with a seperate agree score. Why ? sometimes we might disagree with a point being made in a comment, but not want to bury that comment - for example when we believe an argument has been well made and deserves to be read , but one still disagrees with the premise itself. This could mean for example that we could digg something down because it is lame , but still put in a vote for the opinion being expressed.
2) please please please allow comments to be displayed as proper threads, as per normal bulletin boards or forums. the single level indenting is very crude. I imagine this may be a limitation of AJAX performance.- carguy84, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27PLEASE fix the login cookie issue where for no reason you're suddenly logged out, but if you refresh a few times you're logged back in. It's a real pain in the ass getting shipped to the login page when you just want to digg some ones comment. It gets real old real fast and discourages people from interacting with the site.
- madformadness, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I have never had problem with the cookies, i think the issue is on your side. I have been logged into Digg for over a month now. As long as you don't delete your cookies you will stay logged in.
- Battlecry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2With the agree/disagree thing, You could make it so comments who people agree with are tinted green, disagree with red and blue (like it is now) neutral. That would reduce the clutter, and they could make it optional in the settings so if people don't want to have christmas-y comments, they can turn it off.
- mc7winkie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Thats a problem with google web accelerator. Not digg. I also disagree with the point of agree/disagree button. The thumbs up thumbs down system works very well in my opinion. It is simple and to the point. I know that it hurts when your comment is dugg down because it is an unpopular view but that is life. The thing you understand though is that 13 people took enough time to read your comment and disagree with it . I've made many comments on digg and feel that the system is the best out there. I go on many forums wishing to digg up and down the buttons and am disappointed to find none. Though I don't think adding use less clutter would help at all. As it stands digg combines the agree disagree to what is already done. There are no said instructions as to what the buttons truly due but instead ask their own questions and are open for interpretation based upon user to user. I know that it makes this sound really deep, even though it isn't, I can't help but think ,"If it ain't broke don't fix it."
- redneckblues, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yeah, I constantly have to log in and I don't use google accelerator. It really sucks.
- charbarred, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I found that often the "Cookie" problem happens when stories have "Digg" in the title. Is digg keeping track of users' behaviour when digg is in question?
- mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3What a shame. I was looking forward to breaking into the top 1,000 users soon. Seriously. I'm a sad little man.
Really though, its understandable why they took the top users list out, although hotbeefman had a good point a few comments up. I'm looking forward to these upcoming features. Kevin should blog more about Digg goings-on. :)- thepromise, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1He has.... they just haven't made the front page 'til now.
- unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1How else am i going to track my comment stats (numbers)?
- ryland2, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Feel your pain, I was just about to break the Top 100.
- Archeologist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Actually, the top 1000 isn't anything that spectacular. I just broke it a few weeks ago and I know how you feel.
- Mediaright, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Cool Kevin. They did what they had to do. I would have hoped, though, that they had the next gen tools ready BEFORE they took the old ones down, just so they wouldn't have to leave certain users hanging.
- baseless, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3what about those digg bots...?
- markmayhew, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4damn, and i was climbing up the ranks!
- supernova17, on 10/12/2007, -1/+34Bummer, oh well. Time to save a screenshot of the top list.
Thanks for your work guys.- D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Time to check my score one last time before it's gone forever...
- spinchange, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2http://digg.com/playable_web_games/Digg_Users_Snap_your_Screen_Shots_Now
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'm actually extremely disappointed by this. I really wish they wouldn't remove it. I always enjoy checking the top users, figuring out where I rank, and doing more in different areas to try to climb in the rankings. It was a lot of fun. Now Digg is just removing the whole competitive aspect. I think it was a great motivator for good content, but I'm sure they thought a lot about it, so whatever they think is best for Digg, I guess... Oh well.
- krische, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3I still would like to see an 'anti-PS3' subcategory.
- Fosnez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8And still no news on a better Comment system...
I ask two things:
1. more than one reply level
2. More popular "threads" of comments move up the list of comments (Dynamic ordering) - mikev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+67Dear digg,
Please let us delete our own comments within the same time period of edits.
Seeing a bunch of "digg down" comments annoy me.
I'm not alone.
Sincerely,
mikev- SoundJudgment, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10>> Please let us delete our own comments within the same time period of edits.
Quoted For Truth. - D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14and how about people who insist on signing their comments?
A fake letter is one thing, but so many people sign all of their comments...
-D3koy - mikev, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10d3k0y,
IMO - signatures just scream people spamming their blogs. One ChandlerKent is enough - nsharp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Better yet, let people delete comments and submissions whenever they want to. After all, reddit does, and they are still alive, so it hopefully wont cause a break in the space time continuum?
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Dear digg,
Please let us delete our own comments within the same time period of edits."
This would be a good feature, in combination with a loooonger edit period, IMHO.
- SoundJudgment, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10>> Please let us delete our own comments within the same time period of edits.
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This should be very interesting. Taking down the Top List will definitely inject some more democracy into Digg.
I also like the changes that have happened regarding the manipulation of stories to the front page. There has been far fewer Apple fluff stories on the front page because of this.
It has been a pleasure to see good content there for a change.- jman8888, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well actually the iPhone is out so... Nothing to see.
- undersky, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Wow great! exactly what I was trying to do with my Digg Community Communication Initiatives! I was hoping to use a web link in your blog profile to provide other Digg users impersonal informations for contacting, feedbacking and putting out point of view into correct demographical/cultural context.
(Check out the website in my profile, this is not a spam.) - NewChar, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9One thing I hate about the "new" Digg is all the Youtube and Google Videos that show up in every section but the new Video section. It would be a simple thing for Digg to check the URL prior to submission, and if it begins with video.google... or youtube.com.... then prompt the user to choose a category for the video.
- ryland2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Well, it would be nice if they just stopped the separation, I think everyone can see the separation was a failure; less people go there now then ever...
- toddomatic, on 05/20/2008, -0/+7Suggested Feature (badly needed) - Ability for the community to correct typos or misspelling, especially in the article titles... (see today's San Francisco Mayer) as an example of how unintelligent we all end up looking as a community.
UPDATE -- The title "San Francisco Mayer" was updated to "San Francisco Mayor"... is there a formal mechanism in place for typos?- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Such a feature would need a visible log of who did the editing, so that if people started deliberately adding misspellings or just added poor grammar of their own, to article titles and descriptions of others, there would be a record of who was doing it.
- M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wiki-style.
- sovereign3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I really like the idea of being able to connect with users with similar interests.
One thing that has always been peculiar to me about Digg is that although it's essentially Web 2.0 and can potentially leverage the social aspect of the site, it has thus far not utilized such features. Tweaking the Friends feature and adding new features that will truly allow for a more social experience-- besides commenting on stories-- is just the final touch on what could revolutionize the way we view content.
I'm glad that the Digg staff listens to its users and even elicited feedback before making a drastic change. It's reflective of what makes Digg such a great site. Keep up the good work guys!- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I really like the idea of being able to connect with users with similar interests. "
Is there any way digg can start attracting more women to the site?
There are entirely too many of us geeky single males...and...no offense,diggas, but I don't want to just be hanging out with you guys all the time.
It just seems too 'gay', and is certainly not helping any of us to get a date / find a mate.
What is lacking in the so called 'digg community', that so few women , especially single women, are attracted to being in it?
(maybe if the comments section was in nice pastel colors, and had background music...they might come.)
We need something like a 'ladies drink free' feature... at least for a little while, until the members' gender stats level out from the way they are now.
- coldfusion1970, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you want to attract girls, then you have to offer more customisation options for digg.
Thats one of the main reasons that MS is so massive.
But its also one of the main reasons i hate navigating around MS.
Some of those MS user pages are horrendous.
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I really like the idea of being able to connect with users with similar interests. "
- AndrewDiggs, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0Until it's removed, you can see the list here:
http://digg.com/topusers- undersky, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1and add them as friends while it lasts
- phunkyA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Digg is by far the best place for the latest news and most useful info. I just started really getting into it. Looking forward to more digg goodness. Please don't let what happened to Flickr happen to Digg!
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I completely support removing the top users list. The site has outgrown its need for the list. You shouldn't be here to get a ranking anyway. Digg is supposed to be a news site, not a competition.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Without ranks, the spammers will have even more power, because you won't know who just signed up and who the long-term users are.
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4No, Digg is supposed to be a social bookmarking site with a focus on Technology news. As such, I do think it is useful to give some credit to more active users.
- Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4IMHO, the Psuedo celebrity of "getting Dugg" to the front page has done nothing but hurt the site. It's about the news, not the guy who found it.
I hope this helps do away with the clique's.
Now we just have to stop the orginization of Microslaves from burying the truth about Vista. They are the worst organized group skewing Digg.- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Agreed with the second part. The top diggers aren't the clique you should worry about. They are generally well-informed. The cliques are the lurkers and fanboys who control the comment section.
- Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1All in all, I have no problem with the top Diggers, but I don't think the "celebrity" factor helps the site. I hope they keep the submissions without that as an incentive.
- richstyles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I think they should just keep the Top 100 as a hat tip and tribute to the people that made Digg what it is today. Just rip out the links to the individual profiles, heck upload it as an image but we need to put envy and jealousy aside and acknowledge that for the average Digg users these guys and gals are major contributors that carried the site from its infancy to today.
That's like being told "you're my best friend but I can't be seen in public with you"- cfinke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Exactly; Digg is putting a band-aid on a bullet wound. Removing the top users list will do nothing to stem the tide of companies paying for Digg placement; I elaborate on it more here: http://www.efinke.com/2007/02/01/top-diggers-no-longer-recognized/
- spinchange, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1http://digg.com/playable_web_games/Digg_Users_Snap_your_Screen_Shots_Now
- cfinke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2To show the futility of what Digg is doing, I’ve written a script to display the top 100 users, with the list being updated twice a day.
- cfinke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Exactly; Digg is putting a band-aid on a bullet wound. Removing the top users list will do nothing to stem the tide of companies paying for Digg placement; I elaborate on it more here: http://www.efinke.com/2007/02/01/top-diggers-no-longer-recognized/
- mbthompson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Winning idea. Getting rid of the list gets rid of the false competition for the top slots.
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7NEEDS PHOTO SECTION!!
- unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe, as a sub-container section of PHOTOS
WEB ART ?
Art Galleries perhaps - jpb0104, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2and a photography equipment section
- unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe, as a sub-container section of PHOTOS
- SilentSpyder, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Maybe they should get rid of the friends all together and think of it as a news site instead of a social site. The problem then, is people will request a a return to friends after a while.
- jayadelson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+46(listening)
- unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Ok, now pertaining to bury actions: True, the Digg Team has been focusing on growing the user experience. The growth of Digg has attracted LOTS of attention from hundreds of new potential real diggers to new malicious spammers waging a campaign to turn digg into their Spam Festival (who don't understand the purpose of digg), It's a prospect that has been causing some concern. While digg gives us 5ive options from duplicate entries, off-topic content, spam infested, revealed inaccuracies, and obvious lameness. I'm afraid it will not bring enough user buries to get more spam out of the Digg system. If we keep getting exposed to stories with old links, inappropriate material, or Bad! broken links, will we be able to click “Bury” on these other worthless/useless URLs? In the future, the Digg team will need to find more ways of fighting this by declaring a stop to it without hurting the user experience.
Other than that, Digg has stumbled upon a brilliant formula, Thank you, Jay and kevin for simulating heaven. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14That reminds me:
How about just a simple "Report Spam" button in the comments section? When you press it, it lets you send a private message to the Digg abuse department, along with a copy of the offending post.
If anyone then abuses this button, like sending a flood of PMs asking for free beer, they can be banned too. - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -18/+5Listening? Yeah, I wish I could believe that, but I don't.
Digg has failed to deal with a few obvious bad people - and instead has decided to trash the whole system. You could have, and should have, dumped just those few users who were or are associated with SEO activities, and banned on the most vulgar and abusive of the tiny, but disproportionately active and vocal, "auto-burying" circle. If they reappeared, you could detect them easily enough via an heuristic algorithm and/or by hiring one or two additional moderators.
Instead, you made the mistake of listening to a few of the wrong people. Now you are taking all of the competitive fun out of the site. You no longer have anything to distinguish Digg from any other social bookmarking site
Obviously, the original top Diggers will go along with this, by and large, because they got a head start on attaining their ranking when there was little competition and no safeguards against gaming Digg. A few months ago, the Digg algorithm changed so that they could no longer keep their ranking without working a lot harder, so many of them complained, and others quietly (or not so quietly) decided to drop out.
At that point, I decided I'd try to see how high I could get in the rankings without gaming the system.
Today I hit 102, and now that I am this close to the top 100, I'm told that the ranking system is going to disappear.
Now the "old guard" gets to keep their historical rankings forever. Also, it has not escaped my notice that they are mostly politically liberal, so this will no doubt spare them the humiliation of watching some upcoming ardent conservatives and anti-jihadists like myself join their number.
Few people will take the trouble to come out and tell you this, but you can observe it from people's behaviour: Competition is vital to maintaining long-term audience interest in interactive activities. That's why people play WOW, and line up to buy Wii and so forth. That's why people watch, and participate in, sports. Why do you think people have watched all of those TV game shows and so forth for the past half century? It makes NO SENSE to remove competition from Digg.
I'm a techie with 30 years' experience and a published author. I'm also a newshound of long standing. I'll keep following the news, and until a better alternative arrives, I suppose I'll continue submitting stories to Digg. But if you don't put the competitive fun back into Digg, some competitor will, and at that time, I will not be the only Digg submitter who will gleefully jump ship. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12[quote]Also, it has not escaped my notice that they are mostly politically liberal, so this will no doubt spare them the humiliation of watching some upcoming ardent conservatives and anti-jihadists like myself join their number.[/quote]
Did I misread that, or did you just imply that top Diggers are pro-Jihad "liberals"? - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5Yes, sockpuppets/Roger/dshPls/mightydavefish/nazuragi is a small clique of people who are in fact hard-left, ardent apologists for jihadists. If they aren't all the same person, they are a small group of people who work together and may even share the same dorm room somewhere. sockpuppets has a fairly high rank. They have been doing everything they can to keep me,and others of my political stripe, off the front page, with little success so far. SOme of their insults and activities have been abusive in the extreme, and Digg has done little or nothing about it thus far.
Snipehack is extremely liberal and he has a lot of friends who all submit extremely liberal stories. Same with Aidenag. - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5@OBKenobi,
Perhaps I should clarify this a bit further. I did not mean to imply that all the top Diggers are pro-Jihadists, just that they are predominantly in the liberal to far-left spectrum. I do NOT mean to imply that all of them are politically motivated in keeping conservatives off the front page. That is not so; some people whom I know to be liberals even Digg some of my conservative news pieces from time to time, and they do not do or say anything abusive.
On the other hand, there ARE some people who are both far-left and jihadi-apologist in their comments and actions - and who blame everything that goes wrong in the world on either Jews or Christians. Some of them enjoy fairly high rank (though probably not top 30 at this time). I WAS talking about them. I am sick of them calling everybody else bigots, accusing me and others of things that we did not say or do, making threats, and so forth. I, and many others, have reported them to abuse@digg.com, and nothing has been done.
This is still the number 1 story on Roger's profile:
http://digg.com/celebrity/Top_digger_threatens_lawsuit_over_slanderous_comments_ignore_story_link
Sorry if I shocked you...I'm just trying to get my message out quickly, and it isn't always easy to get everything right the first time. - unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@bigkitty you obviously, don't understand the purpose of digg.
What part of the words "Social Democracy" don't you understand? Digg is a democracy, none are perfect but perfection is their goal. Digg has minorities groups they equally hold burring power there called the "The Habitual Buriers" and digg is a place where all real diggers have equal value, Also don't forget about, the factor the casual digger plays.
On your question about 'Top Submitters?' the top diggers will continue to submit the most stories. How does these Diggers constantly increase their rankings? The answer is simple really, because they have a record of being available to find a lot of stuff to post. The cooler your submissions, the more curious eyes balls you'll get. Diggers aren't very forgiving of shoddy journalism.
I strongly believe each digg member have the same level of liability and valued voice as any other digg member. Now everyone knows that digg has rivals, if you dislike Digg.com simply go visit the "others" sometime (e.g. slashdot.org, fark.com, newsvine.com, reddit.com). Moderators/higher User-classes do not represent a direct social Democracy voting atmosphere. Period. Now with Digg, people are able to solve all sorts of massive problems by sharing information. Without authoritative restrictions and punishments on the community. Digg is a free community, not a pay service (with zero nominal fees). I think not having adverts plastered all over the site (which is what most tech news sites do nowadays) is thanks enough.
please stop trolling, Digg is a work in progress - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6"Yes, sockpuppets/Roger/dshPls/mightydavefish/nazuragi is a small clique of people who are in fact hard-left, ardent apologists for jihadists. If they aren't all the same person, they are a small group of people who work together and may even share the same dorm room somewhere. sockpuppets has a fairly high rank. They have been doing everything they can to keep me,and others of my political stripe, off the front page, with little success so far. SOme of their insults and activities have been abusive in the extreme, and Digg has done little or nothing about it thus far."
AHAHAHAHAHAAA... I nearly sheet myself.
1. I've seen Roger around, the others I have no idea who they are at all. I support Roger just because you decided anyone with an opinion other than yours deserves to be sued. Any enemy of yours is a friend of mine.
2. The last time I was in a dorm room was about 20 years ago. When's the last time you left your trailer park?
3. You're a bigoted narcissist but I honestly don't even pay attention to who submits something, ever. I digg stuff I like. I've even dugg your submissions.
4. I had no idea what my "rank" is/was, and don't care. I do like making jokes in the comment fields, though. I don't take Digg overly serious- think about it, when's the last time you changed your opinion based on something a stranger said on a website? Me: never. - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5@unitedstatians,
First of all, "social democracy" is a buzzword that does not belong in this discussion. The prefix "social" - when applied to anything political or ideological - is an Orwellian operator that effectively voids the significance of the rest of the term. Democracy = mob rule, so "social democracy" means whatever the most currently vocal part of the mob wants it to mean.
Second, Digg is not a democracy, nor a republic in any sense, even though it may display the outward trappings of voting and community membership. Insofar as Digg is owned by private individuals, they make the rules behind the scenes, and they can change it whatever way they want. If its owners want to shoot themselves in the foot, and it appears that they do, there is nothing that the "voters" can do other than to try to persuade them otherwise, or to vote with their feet (and their money).
Third, Jay Adelson said that he was listening. If he didn't want me to give him an earful, he could have refrained from saying that. It is not for you to accuse me of trolling in that regard.
Fourth, if I decide that some other site, or no site, is more worthy of my time, I'll go there. It is not for you to decide when, or if, I should make that determination. - unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@bigkitty AH a great post?...
who are you kidding! This kitty has more ***** coming out of her candy ass, then a cow stunned by a scarecrow. I don't care what her intention was, her intentions don't affect the inaccuracy of her post. I usually don't wake up in the morning with constant desires of having total strangers polish my knob.
Now, thanks to the Digg Team, each digg user has the ability to bury crappy comment by acting against them. Just bury a comment because of inferior content until they redeem themselves, at least we already have that. In other words, It's called the quality of your posts. The ***** your submission, the faster they disappear.
Kevin Rose (Architect of Digg) was the first on the scene where readers vote on the best stories, numerous wannabes tried to come into the market and steal his ideas and user base. Ever since I've been on Digg, I've never been able to go anywhere else to get news. its the place to be and I hope it still is years from now. I hope that DIGG can survive the second dot com burst. Digg.com might explode, if it becomes a mainstream source of information. Digg is receiving more link backs from the more mainstream media web Goliaths say, Yahoo, MSN and Google. Just imagine what will happen to this site very soon. Which types of diggers do you think are affecting this?.
Often imitated, never duplicated. - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"Fourth, if I decide that some other site, or no site, is more worthy of my time, I'll go there. It is not for you to decide when, or if, I should make that determination."
You can't blame us for leaving the doggie door open for you, however. - captinherb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13"Yes, sockpuppets/Roger/dshPls/mightydavefish/nazuragi "
What the hell? I don't even get a mention??
Well at least I can review bigkitty quotes:
"Under no circumstances should Muslims be allowed to enter non-Muslim countries, even as tourists."
"I am no apologist for the Spanish Inquisition...Islam was and still is a grave threat to the survival of both, and the actions that Spain took to expel Muslims at that time proved to be absolutely vital to the survival of western European civilization."
"I believe that we need a constitutional amendment that removes Islam from the definition of a religion with First Amendment protections....we will need to become stronger Christians ourselves, and be forthright about the fact that we believe that this religion is the truth. We have to go out and make converts, difficult as that may be. But if we don't have a strong enough basis in faith for ourselves, we won't have anything to defend. Nobody goes to war for religious neutrality or secular humanism."
"I think what would help is converting them to Christianity. That's how St. Patrick put a stop to human sacrifice and slavery in Ireland."
And in regards to shipping ALL muslims out of the US:
"I find it necessary to point out that it is too dangerous even to send them home in their own clothes. We can provide garments for them to wear on the plane, and we can ship their personal effects (after screening out the hazmats) by separate conveyance."
Bigkitty you're nuttier than squirrel poop - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3@sockpuppets,
Well, I'm glad you're only joking. (?)
I neither said, nor did I intend to imply, that anyone with an opinion other than mine deserves to be sued.
I DID say that someone who accuses me of a serious crime that I did not commit, namely incitement to genocide, deserves to be sued.
You may not be aware of this, but if a person is accused of some wrongdoing, and fails to issue a clear denial in a timely manner, the mere failure to deny can be construed as an admission of wrongdoing.
If ever there is some sort of national or worldwide tragedy and somebody is doing some data mining on server logs and backups and so forth, I don't want some idiot to put my name in at some Nuremberg trial of the future with the false claim that I started it all.
Bad things like that HAVE happened to other people. I am a longtime student of such things and I am not about to put myself in that same position by failing to deny a false accusation with sufficient immediacy and vigour.
This has nothing, repeat NOTHING, to do with suing people whose opinion differs from mine!
Oh, and by the way, Roger's profile indicates that he is in the UK. The defamation laws there are extremely draconian. If you, Roger, dshPls, et.al., had been careless enough to defame someone living in the UK, then Digg might be facing serious financial liability by now. In other words, if you really are just joking, you might want to tone it down just a bit, and try to make it appear somewhat less ill-natured.
Here again, I don't try to shut you up. I don't try to sue you just because you don't agree with me on things. I'm sure I've dugg some of your stories too. Yes, I do take life much more seriously than you...probably because I come from much less comfortable circumstances than you. But that doesn't make me a narcissist, nor does it make me a bad person, nor a bigot. And if you are so put off by Christianity that you quit seeing clearly as soon as you notice one of our user IDs, then maybe you don't know as much about Christianity as you think you do! - cameron074, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@bigkitty
I've really tried to keep an open mind regarding your commenting on this site, but at this point you deserve all trashing you receive. If you leave, good. - canewediggit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8jay- not sure if you're checking as this thread has gone off kilter but;
kudos for removing rankings. this is not a competition, it's a community. we should be sharing not trying to out do each other.
my only suggestion - remove the submitters name completely. why does it matter? if we're truly about sharing and discussing interesting news/content, we should be voting on said news/content, and not who submitted.
good work, keep it up. and my offer still stands to come do some sales.
oh, and kitty- tough titties, it's a democracy. if you don't get the votes, you don't get the votes. it's the community voicing it's opinion not some conspiracy. and after the quotes you've had posted here, well, never mind. they're disgusting and i'll leave it at that. and for the record, sockpuppets is one of the funniest m.f.ers here. - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3@canewediggit,
You don't like the quotes? Then refute the reasons why I made those quotes, rather than calling them "disgusting."
There have been thousands of news stories about the activities of the Muslim "fifth column" operating not only in the US but in the UK, western Europe, and in every non-Islamic country in the world. Had you been reading them with an open mind, even you would have to agree that we are reaching the point of extreme danger. I made those comments because I believe them to be the only possible way to prevent all-out warfare on American soil in the near future. I believe that we no longer have any effective means of resisting them short of violence as long as we allow them to remain here, so I would rather that they leave before this happens.
I am not prepared to accept the alternative, which is to turn my home over to those who adhere to a foreign ideology that requires them to take over our political system and impose their way of life on us. Your opinion may differ, but did I say you were disgusting for your willingness to tolerate their ongoing activities on American soil, when to me this is mass suicide?
If you think that there is some other alternative, then why don't you present it and explain what makes you think your ideas will work? - canewediggit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13kitty- i have no interest debating your quotes that captainherb posted. i wouldn't waste my time debating a klansman's racist comments about the black population, and i'm not going to waste it debating your disgusting comments about muslims. you can sleep tight with your own delusions and tell yourself i have no evidence or alternative if it makes you feel better. i have better things to do.
- BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1Proved my point - those who don't agree with my politics, but can't muster any viable arguments against them, have become more and more peeved ever since I started passing them up in the rankings.
They can't have it both ways with their "democracy" argument. I merely said that they TRIED to keep me off the front page...not that they succeeded in doing so. Since they can't stop me and others like me from getting stories on the front page more and more often, how can they say that WE are the ones who are outvoted and who are no longer wanted on Digg? Were that the case, our stories wouldn't be out there!
QED...I rest my case. - unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@bigkitty
The challenge for any digger is to find the balance between the first round, where it is time to layout the baseline facts of a story... and the second round, when it is time to get dirty.
I keep resolving not to visit this comment area but somehow I keep finding my way back so I guess it's time to speak in so that I can perhaps show the disorder. I had no idea conservatives like you (note, not ALL right-wing extremists) are simply too dumb to try and argue with facts so they have to resort to personal attacks (e.g. ad hominid) and do not believe in civil discourse! I will try to be brief and then let you attack!
Wow. I applaud her braveness, NOT, don't be a fool she isn't any classy Rosie O'donnell. But a Super Hot Babe! that PWNs! I'll hit it, till it MHz *vomits* I think your presence does destroys Digg. I Profoundly classifying her class as in the non-noetic crowd. Stop insulting the intelligence of Digg users and try to bring the topic away from tomorrow update at digg.
How can you say something like, "Digg is not a democracy." Excuse me... What are you? Simple? Authoritative rhymes with totalitarian *smiles*. If you can't tolerate comments of differing opinion. Now that's bordering on the impractical. It's almost as if you have a blind fundamentalist character flaw that keeps you from realizing that you have all the style, grace, charm, and social aptitude of a public egomaniac.
P.S. It might be a fascinating idea to expand digg to include other languages.
….to be continued - Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ jay
Please include functionality to Digg or save comments in some way. Many times (not in this particular thread...but many times) a registered Digger will provide a youtube link, helpful freeware program, torrent file, etc. that is extremely valuable and even more effective than the Digg story.
In the event that happens, I'll digg the story to come back to the comment. Unfortunately once I digg another 30 or 40 stories that day, I forgot where and what the comment was.
I think this will be an invaluable tool for Digg users and one that separates Digg from other social networking sites. Keep up the good work in the meantime. - Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@ bigkitty
I read through and notice many of your comments even though I don't usually comment on them. Since you asked, I'll tell you why you get such harsh treatment, and I don't even know that it has anything to do with Digg or its social mechanism.
When you make a claim like.... "Muslims should never be allowed into non-Muslim countries, even as tourists," it doesnt add anything to the argument. Why shouldn't they be? .. and show me a rational reason why not. Source something. Quote a respectable publication (hint: do not quote someone who blogs. Show me a quote from Reuters, Times, etc. and I'll give it some merit)
Even though people that say "Atheism FTW ... Christians are as nuts as Scientologists all religion should be banned!!!11!" .. get dugg up.... doesn't mean they arent as ***** crazy as you are. They too add nothing to the argument ... and I think you're getting +diggs confused with credibility.
Make a good, rational sourced point about why you dont think Muslims shouldn't be here and I'll digg you up. The problem is, you can't, because no such reason exists. - Roger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9BigKitty: you've befriended 800 people here on digg. I've befriended around 30. Your story popularity ratio is 6%.
Why do you still think I'm the one responsible for burying all your comments and stories when you have > 20 times more "friends" than me? Ever wonder why few, if any, of your 800 friends digg your contributions up?
Here's a clue: 90% of everything you post is prejudiced, right winged garbage.
And for the record, I know no one on digg personally. There is no conspiracy against you. Most people just naturally dislike you and your ignorant ideas. - canewediggit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5jay- forgot to mention; you guys need to open up different sites with different language capabilities. i also think you should remerge the video section in with the news.
kitty- i'm not debating them with you because this is a thread started by jay in regards to our thoughts on the site. we can debate your issues with muslims another day, but i'll still probably avoid it because you're so far gone it's a waste of my energy. so no, your point hasn't been "proven", i just try and stay on topic. look throughout this page, it was a digg blog entry about updates but you've turned into something about you. the only reason i'm even back on the thread is because it's halftime of the spurs/suns game. furthermore, i don't give a ***** about your rank or mine and i find people who are actually concerned with their digg ranking pathetic. - captinherb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+85 bucks says jay's really sorry he started listening :)
Seems like a really fine line to walk. While a number of good suggestions have been made it would be hard to implement them without making the site look either bloated and confusing or difficult to use. Take multi-threading in comments for example, to me it visually unappealing not to mention the fact that people can barely manage to hit the reply button now, it seems that that would lead to even more confusion in a multi-threaded comment environment - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2@unitedstatians,
"ad hominid" attacks? No way! I did NOT call anybody here an ape-man!
ROFLMAO... - Roger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@BigKitty:
=>"The defamation laws there are extremely draconian. ... you might want to tone it down just a bit, and try to make it appear somewhat less ill-natured"
This coming from someone fond of calling others Jew haters and Jihadists?
At least when I called you a bigoted Islamophobe its the truth. - captinherb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@Roger
Don't forget you hate women too. - Roger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@captinherb
Ah, yes. I'm a Jew hating, sexist, Jihadist jerk. - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1@Popdmb,
If you don't want to get the information from me, why don't you look at what DanThePainter, AdmiralAdama, shayateen, and others have submitted recently?
Who the hell are you to say that blogs do not contain valid information? What if the mainstream media does not want the public to become alarmed enough to insist that some action be taken without further delay...perhaps because the MSM is not really so independent after all?
What about:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/print?id=2813235
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2007-01-27T182430Z_01_SP37333_RTRUKOC_0_US-PAKISTAN-BLAST.xml&src=rss
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/01/27/asia/AS-GEN-Thailand-Southern-Violence.php
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?storyid=2007-01-25T111423Z_01_L25200454_RTRUKOC_0_UK-FRANCE-ATTACK.xml&type=worldNews&WTmodLoc=World-C3-More-8
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=432075&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&ct=5
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21155061-1702,00.html
http://www.qatarliving.com/blog/camper/disneys-piglet-banned-in-middle-east
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007050315,00.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=433003&in_page_id=1770
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoonprotests/story/0,,2003860,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/07/front2454132.4347222224.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=433030&in_page_id=1770
http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2007/01/31/CampusLife/A.Fury.Over.exTerrorists-2687776.shtml?sourcedomain=www.michigandaily.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com
to be continued... - captinherb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"to be continued..."
Oh please for the love of god noooo... - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2@Popdmb,
Continued...
You asked for the news items that have persuaded me that it is not safe to have Muslims in the US.
You may draw a different conclusion about what options we still have, if any--but these and many other similar stories have convinced me that the Islamic outlook and world view is incompatible with the continuation of the US Constitution, with the Judaeo-Christian tradition and those who wish to adhere to it, or with any form of civil society that anyone of my acquaintance would recognize as such.
You want Reuters? Here's your Reuters...
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2007-01-24T174212Z_01_L24334309_RTRUKOC_0_US-BRITAIN-SECURITY.xml&src=rss
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2007-01-23T163637Z_01_L2341659_RTRUKOC_0_US-BRITAIN-BOMBS.xml&src=rss
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?storyid=2007-01-14T184038Z_01_BLA466529_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAN-USA.xml&type=worldNews&WTmodLoc=World-C3-More-4
And Associated Press:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ?SITE=NCBUR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PALESTINIANS_QAIDA?SITE=NYNSN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SOUTH_AFRICA_ATTEMPTED_HIJACK?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
How about UPI:
http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20070123-124528-1482r
http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20070122-030355-5090r
And Yahoo News:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070114/wl_nm/thailand_security_dc
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20070122/pl_usnw/cair_canada_should_stop_bias_campaign_to_arrest_and_deport_muslim_convert_and_refugee_from_lebanon_says_shoebat
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070115/ts_nm/palestinians_hamas_dc_2
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070110/ap_on_re_us/hamas_trial
And CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/22/qaeda.tape.ap/index.html
And ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2813235&page=1
And even your uber-liberal BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6289581.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6265241.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6254375.stm
Here's some more, from all over the world:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2541433,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,457002,00.html
http://www.nysun.com/article/46389
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/11/news/germany.php
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/badguys/070112/fbi_investigating_8000_for_ter.htm
http://www.thenews.com.pk/update_detail.asp?id=16032
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/170107_1.htm
http://www.alqassam.ps/english/
http://www.alternet.org/audits/45826
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/01/136765.php
http://www.calcuttanews.net/story/225249
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/20/wturkey20.xml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245328,00.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/21/nhate21.xml
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_1_urbanities-steyn.html
http://www.itshinesforall.com/2007/01/hamas_calls_pri.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/19/AR2007011901850.html
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jan17/0,4670,DomesticSlavery,00.htmlhttp://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1990069,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245299,00.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-2547533,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21110203-5005961,00.html
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5066270
http://www.nysun.com/article/47019
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23382609-details/Muslim+majority+schools+%27pose+security+threat+and+should+be+closed%27/article.do
EVERY STORY HERE has been posted on Digg. Why the HELL didn't you read them yourself?
Remember, YOU ASKED. - DigiDave, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@BigKitty: get a hold of yourself man!!!!!!!
Look at you. Just look at you!!!!
This whole thread, this whole post -- is about Digg. Not only about Digg, but about how people compose themselves in the community.
There are accusations of people gamming/burying whatever -- and then you go insane on the message board. If I had a bucket of cold water I'd throw it on you and give some coach-like speech. You've lost it. Now get it together man. Please, for the sack of conversation here.
I've noticed all your submissions. Can't say I have particularly been fond of them. But now I can't in good faith ever really digg them. I'm sorry man -- you've lost my digg for life. And no, not because of the content of your future submissions (they might be good), but just because I don't think you are stable.
I'll put it in terms you can understand. A large percentage of the people who voted for Bush cited his personal character as the basis of their votes. Not his agenda, intelligence etc -- his PERSONAL CHARACTER.
Well. Now I've seen your personal character. Thank you. Now that I've said my peace. I'm going to find another place in this post to comment on the real subject at hand --- Digg itself. I have my own two cents about that. - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@BigKitty
I had previously added you as a friend because I liked some of your comments, and agreed with them.
But now it looks like you are a totally pathetic racist and religious fanatic...from your idiotic comments tonight on this story...
So I have to REMOVE you from the list of my FRIENDS!
Perhaps you have just gone insane tonight, or are having a really bad night.
In any case, I hope you get well soon, from this new idiocy!
Earlier, to my surprise, you described yourself as a 'conservative'...so perhaps you are just becoming crazy and corrupt from the company you associate yourself with.
'Conservative' is such a misused term, by the idiots on the so-called 'right'.
They (all o' dem neocon bastards) have nothing to do with actually conserving anything -- other than their own pathetic egomania and sick notions that are completely in contradiction with reality and the common good of humanity.
It is as insane as when people who claim to be 'christians', 'jews', or from other religions, go and support wars (organized killing), while continuing to pretend they follow a system that claims that its 'God' commanded 'Thou Shalt NOT KILL."
Such people are just a bunch of bloodthirsty, disgusting, war-making fakes, hiding behind false claims of goodness and decency.
But guess what? People with actual intelligence , who actually use their minds (instead of being followers of assumption-beliefs and every kind of divisive prejudices), can see right through the facade!
You can't hide your pathetic ego.
You are no longer regarded as a friend on digg!
I still dugg up some of your comments tonight, while I had to digg down others. - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2@waterdragon,
You gave my remarks a very cursory reading, jumped to some incorrect and unwarranted conclusions about what I was trying to say, and then flew off the handle yourself. Fine with me. Removed as friend. - M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I friended sockpuppets because his comments are, 99% of the time, hilarious, and he diggs up intelligent comments.
- jayadelson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11OBKenobi: We've got a few ideas in the area of more places users can mark/flag things as spam, but as an alert to us and for algorithmic purposes. Stay tuned.
BigKitty: Sorry you're so upset about all of this. We do intend on providing some ability to know how you score on Digg in the future, as the blog post indicates. The trick will be how do do so without an outright rank, and we are experimenting with a number of possibilities. I think you'll approve of them.
canewediggit: Thanks... We really do believe in allowing individual personality to exist and a social component of digg to be powerful. I think that we just need to do a better job of making that profile useful to the users. I don't want to remove personality/identity, particularly where your friends are concerned. What we do in some areas of Digg may not apply in others, don't forget... So we have to be careful how we stress that identity at different parts of the process. Lots of fun debate internally over this, thanks for the input. Regarding language sites, yes, it's on our radar... I don't want to dilute the team and the feature development here just yet, but we're investigating the best ways to do that as we speak.
popdmb: Hmm... Like save comments you like to your profile? Hmmm... good idea. We'll discuss it, for sure.
captainherb: Oh, this is easy... You should see what it's like when we open it up for debate at my house on Thanksgiving. ;) - canewediggit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5jay- thanks for the feedback, glad you could make it through this thread. just to clarify- i agree with your thoughts on the social aspect/user identity part of the site, my comment was strictly in terms of the submitter's name. i don't find that to add any value, and since i submit something my friends will see it under my "dugg" history anyways, it really doesn't take away from my friends knowing what i'm interested in. i just think it would allow for a more level playing field and opens up opportunities for a greater variety of users/articles/topics to hit the front page.
thanks for listening. - shayateen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1If you follow the thread from start to finish another issue about digg is illustrated, in a most painfully obvious way.
The conversation was very constructive, and right away ROGER adds his 2 cents worth with a post, and I quote
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"@BigKitty
Shut up troll."
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guess what? That comment led to a "response", he successfully managed to get a flame war started, this is what ruins message boards, baiting and trolling.
1) comments should be numbered in ascending order
2) trolls should not be tolerated especially ones who start by accusing others of being trolls
3) if this doesn't stop digg will wind up like the inside of pubescant bathroom stalls. - Roger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@shayateen
Erm, no. Nice try though.
If you followed the thread you'd see I was responding to BigKitty's earlier post:
"Many of the problems on Digg could have been solved simply by banning the likes of sockpuppets/dshPls/Roger (who are either the same person, or share the same bed, and who have been over-the-top abusive to me and others on Digg)."
See how she accuses me of violating the digg TOS by creating multiple accounts? Or how she basically calls me gay? Or calls me abusive (despite the lack of evidence)?
Of course you chose to ignore BigKitty's trolling because you're almost as bad as she is.
- unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Ok, now pertaining to bury actions: True, the Digg Team has been focusing on growing the user experience. The growth of Digg has attracted LOTS of attention from hundreds of new potential real diggers to new malicious spammers waging a campaign to turn digg into their Spam Festival (who don't understand the purpose of digg), It's a prospect that has been causing some concern. While digg gives us 5ive options from duplicate entries, off-topic content, spam infested, revealed inaccuracies, and obvious lameness. I'm afraid it will not bring enough user buries to get more spam out of the Digg system. If we keep getting exposed to stories with old links, inappropriate material, or Bad! broken links, will we be able to click “Bury” on these other worthless/useless URLs? In the future, the Digg team will need to find more ways of fighting this by declaring a stop to it without hurting the user experience.
- nhassan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3think this was a bit because of the article where some company wanted to buy top user accounts.
- BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5Exactly.
- MaXPL, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7digg is just flat out awesome. my most visited site of the day, everyday.
- BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4It was a lot of fun...and quite useful...while it lasted.
- Egotrippin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Awww, I just broke the TOP 25,000.
- richstyles, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Some of you are funny. What are we trying to become? A collection of equal opportunity, politically correct liberals.
"false competition" what? HEY let's just remove the Digg button and give everyone their equal share on the front page!!! That'll solve ALL the problems!
All the people piping in about how this is a good thing are just jealous of the top users because they're good at what they do. Get over it! - AVigorVermin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1how do you know what your rank is in Digg?
- BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7For now, click on your Profile tab.
They'll probably take that away, too. - unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9The top diggers list, just got PLUTOED!
- BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7For now, click on your Profile tab.
- Sillytuna, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Is this the point where someone posts that Digg isn't what is used to be, they've sold out, too many rubbish users, their rubber duck has sunk, the fish is not for swimming, erm... oops, got a bit carried away.
Top 100 list - yes competition is important; yes Digg is a community site; however, the top 100 list is also potentially damaging to a site like Digg and I guess that's what the conclusion is. - drrichardindiaz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I think K.Rose is a little silly thinking they already know what the internet community is going to do to manipulate his site for their own benefit. Maybe cocky is a better word...that's like the kiss of death saying our algorithms won't let you. Kind of like going to defcon and saying you geeks can't hack me.
- sicc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9This sucks, if they remove anyway of knowing your rank or your standing compared to other diggers, I'm done. Not that anyone gives a *****, I'm just saying. Going up the ranks is the only reason I submit anything in the first place. What other reward to submitters get? I mean, unless you're submitting your own sites, what reward do you get now for submitting stories? Yea...
:(- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14send me your email address, I'll email you a free "I pissed my life away on Digg and all I got was this lousy mousepad" mousepad. Also a BigKitty 12 months of summer bikini calendar.
- cameron074, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2don't stop just because the competitive nature of the site is gone.
- nsharp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@Sicc and sockpuppets - you guys will be remembered for all the cool stories you regularly submitted.
Oh ps: can you add me to your friends list ;) - Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@ sock
I still have the one you sent me last year. Looks better in the wrapping. - BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -13/+5@sicc,
You and I are the two conservatives who have climbed the quickest in the rankings. In effect, we won the right to get our views out before the public eye. And real conservatives cannot be bought! I'm more outspoken than you and I don't mind the fact that I've attracted so many adversaries. For this reason, I've had to fight a little harder to get each front-page story, but I've made steady and rapid progress nonetheless. You've put out some great stories, and I've dugg many of them.
As far as I know, here is what has happened: We won, they lost, game over--the old Digg is being discontinued.
Perhaps we'll end up in some other online forum; no doubt you will have no trouble recognizing my writing style. I will continue to do everything I can to get the truth out, as always. - captinherb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@bigkitty
"I don't mind the fact that I've attracted so many adversaries"
Boy, you sure do whine about it a lot for not minding. I'm willing to bet abuse@digg.com will attest to that. - DigiDave, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Wow big kitty. That was pretty romantic.
- BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6@DigiDave,
If you dislike me that intensely, please remove me from your friends list.
- mastersquirrel3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2can we have forums now?
- Iknockstuffdown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5My school recently(yesterday) blocked digg. And I'm pissed off.
- vaxguru, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I think they should add a multi-tiered comment system like slashdot. That would really help out.
- cameron074, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2very nice little piece. touched on the things that have been bugging people for a while. i welcome the changes.
- Fragalishus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Only suggestion I've thought about is having sort of a drop-down system for the -digg/+digg buttons, similar to the bury drop-down. Just some options for why you're digging someone up or down, like
-digg
Republican tripe
Democratic tripe
Independent tripe
All-around jackass
Spammer
+digg
Made me lol
Thinks like me
Thinks the opposite of me
Helpful link/post
No reason/sucking up
Or something like that, you get the idea.- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2+digg
Fragalishus is a great name - Fragalishus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1heh, stole it from my brother, actually. He was Fragalicious back in the late 90's in Quake 3 Arena. Changed it up a little to give it that Roman emperor feel to it after he quit gaming.
- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2+digg
- joshGwyther, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Dupe!
- tzon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I, for one, will miss the Top Users list. Though silly, I like seeing my name rise to the top after getting dugg. If only I had more time in the day, I'd be in the top 100. sigh.
- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I found this ironic: "I’m constantly amazed and grateful to the 99.9% of our users who want to make Digg a better place by contributing great content, digging and burying stories, and alerting us to behavior that seems out of the ordinary."
When it's really only the top 0.01% controlling things. Hell, I'm ranked 187 out of what, 900,000 - and I RARELY get posts front paged, yet some people in the top 10 get well over 50%. Good job getting rid of the user ranks. - nsharp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32 more suggestions - can digg add a way to hide comments (without burying them)
also every few minutes I have to log in again to digg/post comments (somehow my cookie gets lost or something). - spinchange, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I, for one, always welcomed our top user overlords.
- fiver22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe implementing a system to reward digg-users who digg/bury 'Upcoming' stories would be a good idea: Rewarding Diggers who actively search through the upcoming stories would give casual Diggers incentive to take the time and effort to contribute to the quality of stories that actually reach the Front Page.
- Universal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Change is good, remember how many people were complaining that they didn't like Digg 3.0 for one reason or another. We will adapt. And we will remember.
Good times. - diafel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is a joke right? Kevin honestly believes users aren't exploiting digg? One look at the recognizable avatars on the front page will make it abundantly clear: more than half of all stories are from the same 20 users. One look at the early diggs behind a story will reveal the a who's who of about 40-60 accounts whose entire purpose is to fraudulently promote their "friends" sites, in what can only be described as a disgusting technological circlejerk.
Since Kevin seems unwilling to admit the problem, I guess all that we, the users who believe in a democratic digg, can do is call out the gamers and their fraudulent ways in an effort to shame them: digitalgopher, webtickle, webtech, MrBabyMan, Miguel Lopez, UCBearcats, chrisek, keiths, CLIFFosakaJAPAN just to name a few.- diafel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And just as an example, two recent articles from webtech: http://digg.com/gadgets/Axiotron_Modbook_at_Macworld/who http://digg.com/gadgets/Athena_Gets_Priced_And_Grows_A_Cup_Size/who Do you see just a few familiar faces have dugg both articles? Most Digg articles languish in obscurity with less than five diggs each. This disgusting group of frauds have at least 15 diggs on every article. Digitalgopher has, from what I have seen, a front page success rate of over 80%. The mere suggestion that the majority of his articles are front page worthy is laughable. As stated, less than 20 users, to this day, control the majority of Digg's content. Someone remind me how Digg's selection process is different than Slashdot again please.
- DiggsRus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4one more name for the most extreme form of pathetic gaming is BigKitty who appears to have scraped the barrel and shown us the true color of her knickers. Not pretty. She has dominated this post as she tends to do on many others with totally irrelevant stuff. I pity her. If as a result of this change, she never gets to visualize her apparent dream of hitting the Top 100 (and thereby disappearing forever from our collective view) I for one will be very happy. Nuff about that troll.
On the subject matter itself. Would love to see better control against duplicate items:
* getting posted (often one by someone with a bigger circle of 'gamer' friends becoming popular) at the expense of an earlier, valid post.
* duplicate posts about the same story from different source URLs.
* users do not appear to be following a common protocol to bury/digg duplicates and comments. Some do. many don't.
* chanel all Digg related posts directly to the Digg Blog. They clutter up the site and risk Digg's main function becoming too much self-promotion and egoistic.
- balkanboy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1who is Kevin Rose?
- BigKitty, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Kevin who?
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