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- nreynolds, on 10/11/2007, -7/+72you're not the boss of me.
- Marijuana, on 10/11/2007, -0/+51"The top speed generally available in Japan is 51 mbps at a cost of $0.06 per 100 kbps. The top speed generally available in the U.S. is 6 mbps available at a cost of $0.72 per 100 kbps. In other words, the Japanese have 8.5 times the speed at 1/12 of the cost." -SpeedMatters.com
I'd rather see the standards of current internet speeds in the U.S to increase. - smartmlp, on 10/11/2007, -2/+31I dont understand this.
Maybe THIS dsl plan, but there are 6Mbps/1mbps plans in my area cheaper then the 6mbps service comcast offers... AFAIK, thats broadband speed. - imthe1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Well smartmip, in my area the cable provider (Time Warner/Road Runner) charges $60 a month for 3MB. That is why I have DSL from AT&T at one third the price. 2.5MB is fast enough for me.
- aflury, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17Has anyone else been bothered by the use of the term "broadband" to mean "high bandwidth"? Technically "broadband" vs. "baseband" doesn't have anything to do with the overall bandwidth, rather just the method of transporting signals. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband
Particularly:
"However, broadband in data communications is frequently used in a more technical sense to refer to data transmission where multiple pieces of data are sent simultaneously to increase the effective rate of transmission, regardless of actual data rate. In network engineering this term is used for methods where two or more signals share a medium."
Ok, I'm a nit-picking geek. But the media/marketers turning such a term into something other than its original meaning annoys me. Digg me down for being pedantic. - smartmlp, on 10/11/2007, -7/+20Also another thing I wanted to point out. DSL has one great feature that cable providers will never allow you to do with cable internet due to the way its shared. With DSL, you are free to run servers and web services from your home. Its also alot cheaper to get static IP's and support for this stuff from DSL and not have to fear your ISP blocking the ports. Not to mention, with DSL the internet is more reliable due to it being tied into the already reliable phone line system. My Cable TV and Cable internet go down all the time, when was the last time your phone didnt work?
- brufleth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12@oslointhesummer
Propaganda and lies. Even our most densely populated centers lag WAY behind in telecom infrastructure because there is no competition driving service improvements or better pricing.
The problem is not square miles of coverage. The problem is lack of economic motivation. - PiMPSP, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Hmmm ya thats great, they lower the pricepoint to suck you in before they start turning your sorry asses over to every agency that wants all your internet habits information..ie downloading etc..etc
- Darthyoshiboy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11@ smartmlp
My home phone was rarely down when I had DSL, but that didn't stop my DSL from being down roughly 1/4 of the time. It's the same with my cable, just because your classic cable is working, doesn't mean that your digital cable is, or your internet for that matter. Long story short, it's tough everywhere, choose the evil you want to make your deal with, and don't complain when it bites you. - PiMPSP, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11@nreynolds Apparently u missed the informative article on at&t's internet practices
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070613-att-willing-to-spy-for-nsa-mpaa-and-riaa.html - InferiorWang, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11the $10/mo dsl is in exchange for letting them tap your lines and read your emails
- capran, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9You don't hate privatization...do you really want the government in this business?!
You hate monopolies. What's needed is a competitor to your lazy ass cable company. - aflury, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9To elaborate for those who may be confused by my previous post: fiber can transmit data much faster at baseband (one piece of data at a time, in this case a pulse of light, with no wavelength division multiplexing) than a DSL or cable line can, which both are broadband because they can sent multiple signals concurrently over the same line. DSL is technically broadband no matter how slow it is.
Heh. That might have confused people even more. - Karyyk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Remember, there are still plenty of rural areas where dial-up is still the ONLY option and plenty of others where broadband services are held in the clutches of two-bit phone companies due to service agreements and contracts with the major ones. If you're lucky, you get to pay twice as much for half-rate DSL.
- RaistlinMajere, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10AT&T. Your world, delivered (to the NSA).
- PiGuy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7This is a result of their merger with Bell South. The FCC required them to make a number of concessions for customers in the area, and this was one of them. There was a little bit of an uproar because at least 6 months passed and they failed to go ahead with it, but the rule was they had a year to start the plan and it has to last at least 30 months as the article says.
See this article from last October: http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-6126870-7.html - Dgen_X, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6they're = they are
......... - diffraction, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Now it's is only $10 a month for them to send all your data to the NSA, wonderful.
- Elranzer, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9It's still AT&T. Nothing is worth switching to AT&T. Not even an iPhone.
- Enendar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Not a bad plan for casual web surfers and even grandma and grandpa at the low price. Wonder how much the required local service is though?
- wayback09, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@michaelbradley,
SBC bought AT&T, changed their name to AT&T, AT&T(SBC) bought Bellsouth. SBC & Bellsouth jointly owned Cingular (SBC 60% and Bellsouth 40%). AT&T(sbc) now has 100% control over Cingular and changed the name to at&t. (sbc and bellsouth bought the old AT&T Wireless spinoff in 2004) - compgeek, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@ form3hide
broadband has nothing to do with the speed at all it's the way data is transmitted. on a modem which is a baseband media the modem takes up your whole phone line. in broadband it works like a 2 level highway data travels on one level phone calls on the other and they never cross. just because DSL is slower than cable or fiber based internet does not mean it is not broadband. it may be slow broadband but still satisfies the technical definition of a broadband based transmission
on another note good for AT&T for doing this. If they would only introduce something like this in Canada (come on bell and rogers) then dial up would pretty much cease to exist. I have cable internet but know some people who are out in the country where cable isn't an option and the DSL providers are charging like $80+ a month to run cables there if the service were $15-20/month cdn$ then add say an initial $100 to cover routing cables out further that would make it a good deal for people that are now stuck on dialup
dugg - kidvicious1973, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Funny how so many think that just because you pay another company for service it is different, chances are it is going through an AT&T central office anyway. Resellers just pay to use the facilities and resell to end customer. It would be best for all you conspiracy theorists to forget about using any Internet services if you believe all that crap.
- nismo334, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7Yeah, what are they thinking. With their DSL line people are going to bittorrent at least 3-4 movies a month, easily making the line pay for itself. Clearly a bad business move on AT&T's part.
JK - kgasso, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3What's nice is that the third party ISPs have to do the following to sell service:
* Pay for ATM circuits from AT&T to backhaul DSL customers on
* Purchase equipment to terminate ATM circuit on for customer backhaul
* Pay AT&T a per-subscriber (technically, a per-line) per-month cost which itself is more than the AT&T retail rate simply to have the subscriber's link to the DSLAM be cross-connected to your ATM circuit and terminated on your equipment
Now add to that the cost of providing internet connectivity and services expected of an ISP, technical staff, and any other overhead (such as electricity and rent). By now your product is twice the cost of AT&T's - guess where the users will be going for their connectivity?
At least they're not as bad a Verizon when it comes to screwing the third-party ISPs who did all of the marketing in the first place to get customers hyped about DSL.
I'm all for cheap 'net access, but don't tell me that the second every independent ISP is run out of town the prices won't go back up. - capran, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I wish I could get FiOS. I really want better upstream, and even the basic FiOS offerings I've seen is 2 mbits up and 15 down. Why they won't make it symmetric makes me shrug.
- rouslan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3All internet traffic from this plan is probably directly wiretapped.
- agdros, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4it was part of the deal.... AT&T had to offer $10 dsl. It's in the contract that they signed when they purchased Bell South.
your next question is why? I don't know the answer to that, but I can only assume that there was some nonsense about them creating a "monopoly" which would allow them to price gouge.. so they put it in there to make sure there was a cheap dsl solution available.
The reason they are not advertising is because AT&T knows they won't be able to make a profit on the service. - diablo75, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4***** AT&T! They'll rip you off anyway they can.
- MichaelBradley, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Actually Cingular bought out AT&T and then they changed their name to AT&T or more accurately "The new AT&T"
- Burn, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Having been to Japan and used one of those '50mbps' connections, I can tell you it felt a heck of a lot slower than my 7mbps/1mbps connection at home here in Australia and the best speed I could get from any overseas websites was around 500kB/s, with ~25kB/s being the fastest I can download from home at. On my home connection I can usually maintain close to full line speed (~700kB/s) from pretty much anywhere in Australia, Europe or the US quite happily.
Basically, just because the 'Last Mile' of a connection is fast doesn't necessarily mean that the bandwidth within the country and connecting it to the rest of the world is adequate to get anywhere close to your line's advertised speed. - Omicron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"dsl shouldn't be considered broadband. too slow."
I used to say that same thing... but my neighborhood is saturated with cable internet users. my 6MB DSL gets me better download speeds than my 6MB Cable did, so I switched. On cable, I was getting ~2MB download speed during peak times. With DSL, I get very close to my full 6MB often getting 700 kb/s downloads. - kaffein, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2AT&T 6mbit/768kbps for $35 here in Texas.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Actually, they will make millions more. Or rather, billions. Tax cuts and incentives, the mergers that wouldn't otherwise be approved... you get the idea.
- subxero37, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3People in Quincy have a choice:
DSL from SBC for $10 a month.
Cable from Insight for $40 a month.
DSL is 3Mbits, and you can do whatever.
Cable is 10Mbits, but they will call you and want to know what you're doing if they notice a large number of connections, or large data transfers. They'll cut your internet off and claim you're violating their TOS. They'll cut your cable *TV* off because you're using too much of their internet.
SBC can charge whatever they want - they own the phone lines. I'm glad they're sensible about it.
Insight Cable is just a dick - they charge $40 for the basic cable TV plan, and $40 for their internet to go with it. You can't get just the internet by itself. (Really, WTF?) And the TV absolutely sucks; every time a new (crappy) channel is added to our programming our price goes up, even though we don't want that channel. Besides that, they own the lines, what're we gonna do? Go to another nonexistent cable company?
I hate privatization. - rzrshrp, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2No, for about the same price, I'd rather have about ten times the speed of dial up without tying up a phone line and waiting for handshaking each time I reboot my computer. That's if I had to choose between the two.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I'm trying to find the $10 subscription plan but I can't. The cheapest I see is $14.99. Does that mean it's not available in my area or did they stop the $10 one?
- tformed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2can anyone provide a link to this..i am trying to find the $10 deal on their site.
- capran, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Fortunately for me, in Maine, we have a local ISP that's got a pretty good deal. I have naked 5/1 DSL for $45, much better deal than Verizon's DSL or Timewarner's cable.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1cable is shared bandwidth, if you live where everyone else has cable, it will be slower at times. But, if you live in an area where no one uses it much, you will have full speed for the most part. *worth it*
- phantomgrave, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1They're doing great and all lowering the prices....but it still does nothing for us who live in the outskirts and have to use this satellite crap, or dial up. :@
- XStatic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"The introduction of the plan, slightly before the deadline at the end of June, was first reported by The Tennessean in Nashville."
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070615/BUSINESS01/706150398 - TWill, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Myself and my roommates only use cell phones, so it would be a complete waste for me to pay for a phone line that I would never use, but I'm thinking about going the DSL route rather than cable.
Does AT&T DSL really require you to pay for the basic phone service if you want DSL, or is this just something they're trained to tell you? Is there a way around this? - Unclekoolaid, on 10/11/2007, -8/+9Digg is not your personal army
- slantyeyed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1only going to be offered for 2 1/2 years as per agreement with FCC.
- squirrelza, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Damn. Sad to think I pay $60 for something like this, except I've got a 3gb cap ://////
- johanm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1think about the porn!
THE PORN! - OsiVert, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@smartmlp
I used to work for a DSL ISP, and yes, it's usually easier to run servers. There are DSL providers that block everything though, even you using a different outbound mail server. As for the phones never going down, DSL going down is completely different. DSL will go down if based on distance, line noise and line quality. - Sambone67, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Exactly, and five years from now EVERY provider will be data-mining/sharing/selling your info. They've got us all by the short ones and they know it.
- stonebear, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1They offer a naked plan for the Los Angeles market, but it is expensive enough to make it pointless.
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