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- smotpoker1, on 09/26/2008, -3/+42Ads are the damn pollution morons
- valimar77, on 09/25/2008, -1/+33"This is obviously an antipiracy play, not a "congestion relief" plan or a "help the consumer" PR push. Given the groups involved, especially AT&T and NBC Universal (both of which have supported ISP filtering plans), this is not a surprising focus, but one wishes they were a bit more upfront about it."
Brought to you by the creators of "Gellin". foot soles. - briLo, on 09/26/2008, -0/+28Net Pollution = ISP's throttling and limiting your download allowance to up bottom lines.
- BXRWXR, on 09/26/2008, -1/+24If dealing with spam is the price of a free internet, I'll deal with spam.
Keep your hands off of my internet. Information wants to be free. - funkyloki, on 09/25/2008, -2/+24Ah, yes, but it is not in the same category of net-pollution, which is what this "company" is pushing against. They tell us the illegal downloads clog up bandwidth, just like viruses, spam and malware. But then they go on to promote legal ways to clog up bandwidth. That is a contradictory argument. Net-pollution is about stuff clogging up bandwidth that is not requested by the user. Yes, it is illegal to file-share copyrighted material without permission, but it is hardly unrequested.
At issue here is congestion, and congestion from illegal or legal downloads is the same, it is still going to be congestion. - Psygnosis, on 09/26/2008, -0/+21Can we add DRM to that list?
- t3rmv3locity, on 09/26/2008, -1/+17I guess we have to add NBC, Cisco, and Microsoft to the ***** list.
- btschul, on 09/26/2008, -0/+16It's funny, about half of the shows NBC puts up on the interweb could probably be considered pollution.
- bradwjensen, on 09/26/2008, -6/+21Arrr I am not a pirate! :P
Just because some people believe in sharing what they like with their community does not make them a pirate. A pirate is someone who steals physical objects from people, and typically uses force to do it.
I consider sharing to be sharing, and stealing to be robbery (which is far more like pirating than sharing is.) - nesagwa, on 09/26/2008, -0/+13Downloading a 4gb HD movie from a legal source vs. 4gb HD movie from a torrent is different how? (In the bandwidth sense, not moral or legal)
- amishjim, on 09/26/2008, -0/+11I pay 50 bux a month for 15mbps that means every second, they can't even begin to provide that. . .that's for torrenting, gaming, charing video with family, whatever i legally want. torrenting is not illegal.
- uskomaton, on 09/26/2008, -0/+10They weren't already?
- Nintendesert, on 09/26/2008, -1/+11People watching Youtube and other streaming media eat up a hell of a lot more bandwidth than torrents do.
- uskomaton, on 09/26/2008, -1/+10True, thus AdBlock+ FTW!
- BlatheringIdiot, on 09/26/2008, -0/+9We need bigger tubes.
- moxley, on 09/26/2008, -0/+8Well, then I lump ABC and NBC in with the RIAA, MPAA, the CFR and all other organizations, fascist think tanks, etc.
- Slade605, on 09/26/2008, -0/+8The bandwith it takes for DRM could be used to download valuable porn!
- amishjim, on 09/26/2008, -0/+7They can't provide the advertised download speeds as it is...
- RealmDown, on 09/26/2008, -0/+7Cisco wasn't. And it is a shame that has to change.
- TotalHalibut, on 09/26/2008, -2/+9That's nothing more than semantics. Why do you think thepiratebay calls themselves thepiratebay? The term has been adopted by the community itself, it's legitimate, you're just nit-picking.
Now stealing, that's a different matter entirely. - helenkupo, on 09/26/2008, -0/+6How about they lump commercials in as noise pollution.
- inactive, on 09/26/2008, -0/+699% of the tracking cookies and advertising spam on the web is put there by the ISP's and site operators themselves and constitutes the vast majority of bandwidth theft happening. They're stealing your bandwidth doing things entirely for their own purposes that haven't thing to do with enhancing your experience. If they're truly concerned with people hogging bandwidth they need to correct their own ***** revenue building devices first!
- Floris, on 09/26/2008, -0/+6Are they also getting government funding to DDoS like mediadefender? ding ding!
- Scrappy1850, on 09/26/2008, -1/+7online gaming is a bandwidth hog... pollution?
- lightningrod220, on 09/26/2008, -0/+6You are a pirate!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AzpByR3MvI - xtmno3, on 09/26/2008, -0/+5Not relevant at all.
- scarwars, on 09/26/2008, -0/+5who do you think leaks all those pre-air shows?
- nickert0n, on 09/26/2008, -0/+5Yeah because ABC and AT&T are the owners of the internet.
BREAKING: nickert0n says ABC and AT&T are ***** Matt Daemon.
Thats about as relevant or credible. - schroeder, on 09/26/2008, -0/+5Then so is doing anything that uses a lot of bandwidth like multiple PCs streaming video.
- homercles337, on 09/26/2008, -1/+6You are a very confused man. P2P networking is not illegal. This is what they attack. They ignore the "legality" of the content on the networks.
- wigren, on 09/26/2008, -0/+5I would gladly download most of the shows I watch from an authorized site, but the content companies don't want to offer that. Hulu is a mess, and why would I want to watch a clip of an episode rather than the full episode? So I green-listed TPB. I'll put up with their ads because I enjoy the service they provide.
- scarwars, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4rim job?
- socalftw, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4***** Arts+Labs.
- RealmDown, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4Net pollution = NBA players hanging from the rim.
- HillerMylife, on 09/26/2008, -2/+6Meaningless semantics.
- uskomaton, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4Dugg for the Nixon reference :)
- phoomp, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4I agree. I do use AdBlock, but I only block the "look-at-me-now-look-at-me-now" ads and the ones with uninvited audio.
- Sraza, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4It isn't true and it's not hard to argue. The article even made a well thought out rebuttal. Did you even read it?
- fani, on 09/26/2008, -1/+5Lets add the following to net pollution as well -
Ads
Packet shaping or sniffing ( as what RIAA/MPAA/Comcast does ) - phoomp, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4Solution for content distributors:
Stop making it so difficult or expensive for me to view your content conveniently. If I were to download an NBC show, it wouldn't be to get it cheaper, I already get it through my cable subscription. I just want to watch the show when it's convenient for me, not when the network wants me to watch it. - RealmDown, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4That would be ASSault.
- moxley, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4Half? That's being incredibly generous...I'd say 19 out of 20.
- JimmyTheKid, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3This just in- AT&T and NBC can go ***** themselves.
- hobophobe, on 09/27/2008, -0/+3It is only definable as pollution if the content being moved has no valuable to the person receiving it. But yes, let's adopt the term for ads, spam, malware, and the like.
As for piracy, give us a fair limit on copyright, no DRM, and a reasonable price model, and you wouldn't have any problems. Instead you give us indefinite copyright, DRM, and an unreasonable price model. Piracy is just the market telling you, "you're doing it wrong." - nesagwa, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3What about things like Blizzards update client that now works on a torrent like protocol. Or services like Joost that share bandwidth between users.
How are they not considered "pollution" then? - kimbja98, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3But objects in the physical world can never be copied exactly, whereas data can (with the input of some electricity). I can't see piracy coming to real life until we have fusion reactor-molecular generators and 3d printers, such that we could print any object with the exact same materials. All that we would need is some energy (and vast amounts of it) for creation of the raw materials.
The more the economy relies on fragile concepts such as intellectual property, the more damage that can be done when knowledge is spread. However, big companies are protected by 2 things. One is law and the other is a high barrier of entry to the market. So even if I stole the designs for your car, I couldn't make it as I'd need a factory, and I couldn't sell it as I'd be subject to legal action.
Music and film on the other hand are different. The law is in place, but the barrier of entry is extremely low. So low that everyone is a "manufacturer" and a consumer. Gone are the days of pirate CD markets, the internet and cheap hardware have lowered the barriers so everyone can pirate. Therefore, other than pure information products, piracy won't really spill into real life in the same way.
Also, piracy is merely the unauthorised transfer of knowledge/data. I wouldn't call that pollution as it is indistinguishable from other data. The data has sender and recipient, both of whom are willing to participate in the transfer of data, so it is not pollution, just something some people don't like. Spam and worms on the other hand, are unwanted by the recipient so are therefore "pollution". - moxley, on 09/26/2008, -1/+4Really? I would argue that a of things are thrown in under the tag of "piracy" and many of them aren't illegal.
Besides, you cannot stop illegal activities. You can't. You can penalize people when they are caught, but that won't stop it form happening. You should not disrupt, intimidate, and filter everyone's data just to look for those who are breaking the law. It isn't right and it's not going to work.
If this sort of thing is implemented then a large group of people will create ways to bypass it. Technology cannot be stopped. - btschul, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3No one gives a *****. Get your Obammessiah off of my unrelated article.
- P373Y, on 09/26/2008, -1/+4not always true, if you look at all the energy used to create the toyota prius, and the range rover, its worse for the environment to drive a prius
- TotalHalibut, on 09/26/2008, -1/+3Sorry, what exactly does that have to do with anything? Don't bring race into this.
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