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- mrswirl, on 11/10/2007, -0/+47Frontline did a program that goes into depth on the issue. It's much more serious than people realize.
Watch the full episode online: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/ ... - uptown, on 11/10/2007, -3/+41All your information are belong to us.
- inactive, on 11/10/2007, -1/+32"All around the Worrrllld, Gotta spread the Wor-herr-errrd" (Voiceover) "AT&T... Bringing the World together so we can Spy on You!"
- inactive, on 11/10/2007, -5/+33*****.
- Chompy, on 11/10/2007, -1/+26Your World, Connected (to the NSA)
- BelXul, on 11/10/2007, -3/+24This is old news to me. I first brought it up in 2005 only to face criticism from coworkers and insults regarding tin foil. What I'm going to get at is this: What will it take for most average people to listen to the weird but true BS that's been going on? Will everything this is building up to have to fully come to pass before people say, "Hey, how did we get here? We have to do something to turn it around." Sadly, when it got to that point in Germany, people usually asked sometime after they were already behind fences and towers. Will it happen the same way again?
- inactive, on 11/09/2007, -2/+19That is pretty frikken messed up. And I though Verizon was bad! Whoo FiOS!
- stevenb486, on 11/10/2007, -4/+17NSA?? Spying on phone calls??? Whats going to be in the next report, CIA uses torture techniques?
- mrswirl, on 11/10/2007, -1/+11The issue here is that FISA explicitly prohibits domestic surveillance and wiretaps without a warrant. Collecting all unfiltered Internet and voice-data traffic including domestic-only communications is a clear violation of the 4th amendment.
You remember that little piece of paper called the 'Constitution', don't you? - Nicksname1, on 11/10/2007, -3/+11Woooooo Your House is on Fire!
- mrswirl, on 11/10/2007, -1/+8There's already a class action lawsuit underway by the Electronic Frontier Foundation. You can donate there.
http://www.eff.org/cases/att - findingthings, on 11/10/2007, -3/+10AT&T used to be directly connected to the federal government, before it was broken up in the 80s. Interesting how it has become prominent again as a "private" entity, quite quickly I might ad.
- moxley, on 11/10/2007, -0/+7The two replies above me said it very well, but let me add: None of our intelligence aparatus are inept. Neither is our government. They want you to think that, that is part of what they do. It's part of the scheme. It's part of doing their job well (at least on the intelligence side).
As a matter of fact. of FACT... I will tell you that the NSA is the premere technical organization in the world, period. They have technology that would blow your ***** mind in regular use - and the super compartmentalized, research and other such stuff is so advanced you'd think it was sci-fi or magic...
Everytime I read this ***** I realize how little people know of our intelligence apparatus (not that I know everything, not that 99.999% of the people who work for the NSA know everything they have) but the stuff I have attested to here is true.
They could filter that amount of data much easier than you'd ever imagine, possibly even in *****. - Haecceity, on 11/10/2007, -0/+7Blame both. AT&T could have told the governmet go go away and not come back until they had a warrant. That would have been the legal thing to do. Instead they cravenly caved and broke the law.
- Haecceity, on 11/09/2007, -1/+8I can't believe the people that think this is no big deal. No government is going to be able to resist the temptation to misuse this information, for example by tracking journalists' calls to see who their contacts are. This is simply outrageous and unconstitutional.
- sdigroup, on 11/10/2007, -1/+8I thought the reason at&t broke up in the first place was because of it being a monopoly. Now its "OK" to take over and buy everything in sight. I find it nothing more than a full control of government spying in a hidden wrapper of A&tt
- mds76, on 11/10/2007, -0/+7Not to sound cynical, but are you HONESTLY surprised?
- DanaK, on 11/10/2007, -0/+7If you actually go back and read the better, more informative articles on Klein you will see some pretty good proof. This article was kind of short and didn't provide all the backstory. There is another great one on digg interviewing Klein that goes into much more detail about diverting the entire pipeline in that building through this secret room and its equipment. He also describes how it came to pass that he saw the cryptographic machines etc that process this data and the brand etc.
The reason he says the whole internet is because AT&T is one of the , if not the largest backbone provider in the continental U.S. Just because you are on Comcast or Insight or whomever doesn't mean you're not on AT&T somewhere along your route. Thats why they were the target of this operation. If you look at the breakouts the amount of traffic that goes upstream via AT&Ts backbone is startling. - mrswirl, on 11/09/2007, -0/+7Google "Narus STA 6400".
I think you will be surprised at how adept they can be. - aliensporebomb, on 11/10/2007, -0/+6Major media = govt puppetry in action. Talking about this would distract people from the war effort.
- digitalarcanum, on 11/10/2007, -0/+6what you say?
- Louisd11, on 11/09/2007, -1/+7If companies advertised that they wouldn't give out your tel com stuff people would probably switch over. Good Marketing Scheme...C'mon "V Ad Excs"
- moxley, on 11/10/2007, -0/+6No, the people behind our freedoms being taken away are the terrorists. They are within our government.
- woofers07, on 11/10/2007, -3/+9surprise, surprise, surprise
- mrswirl, on 11/10/2007, -0/+6Say what you will about the legality Bush's warrantless wiretapping program, but the reason FISA was passed in the first place was to prevent exactly this from happening again.
The Bush administration will say that they're only monitoring international communications with known or suspected terrorists but, if what Mark Klein says is true, they are basically sweeping up *ALL* Internet traffic and snooping through it. All of it -- Domestic and International together. There's no other way to do it.
I don't know what could be a more clear violation of FISA and the 4th amendment than this. Remember Watergate? This is it born again in the 21st century. - fahrenheitlf, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5"First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price? Only, this one can be kept secret."
- dilema, on 11/10/2007, -0/+5The funniest part of all this is that years ago when privacy and anti-big brother was rampant during the Reagan administration "Ma-Bell" was split up. Now during the Bush administration AT&T gets rebuilt. Didn't anyone wonder why we spent tax payer dollars in the early 80's to fund a multi-million dollar anti-trust case to split up Ma-Bell just to let them reform like vultron in the present time? Well the more internet/phone exchanges AT&T controls...the more access the NSA has any/all data transmissions. Oh Qwest/Sprint/UUNet/ETC doesn't like the idea of the NSA spying on it's customers? Oh well, just head over to AT&T's exchanges and grab it there. Think about it.
- MrPig, on 11/10/2007, -1/+6btw it's:
Your World, Delivered (straight to the NSA) - Murdats, on 11/10/2007, -1/+6I thought this was common knowledge just most people were happy living in their bubble of wilful ignorance, your saying most people didnt actually know this?
- sporg, on 11/09/2007, -1/+6Personally Im not sure I could have resisted the urge to break into that room and smash all their equipement.
- mrswirl, on 11/10/2007, -0/+5That's exactly the problem and why FISA mandates that you need a warrant to go snooping. The potential for abuse is far too great. Even if they're not abusing it today, what's to stop a future administration from pushing the boundaries?
Otherwise we just have to accept it on faith when they say "We're only looking for the bad guys. We don't look at all the other stuff. Trust us." Yeah, sure. - Jade10145, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5Sometimes I leave maturity behind to state words I feel are the most effective..
ATT are ***** cocksuking, NSA cum gargalling, whore, ***** *****, who deserve the monetary rapping that will soon some...
On the same note though, I own stock in Apple and IPhone is with AT and T so I will be feeling this, but still ***** them. - Shaman760, on 11/10/2007, -0/+5And all of you went out and bought the iPhone on AT&Ts' network.
Know why they call it the GodPhone? Because somewhere, there is a god (or someone with a god complex) who listens to your every word. - fr34k5h0w, on 11/10/2007, -0/+5"Well I don't really care if they track my calls as long as it prevents a few terrorist attacks"
That's the exact phrase I heard tonight when I brought this up (before I even saw this digg or read this article). The people don't care because they believe that the government has them in their best intentions. - kleevr, on 11/14/2007, -1/+6Water Boarding -> Similuated Drowning -> Simulated Dying -> Simulated Torture -> Simulated Reality -> Simulated Acting -> KEVIN BACON!
- Murdats, on 11/09/2007, -2/+7tell that to the CIA agents who can only last 14 seconds, the people who are traumatised for years after being submitted to it, you know what, just read this, if you still think it isnt torture i hear there are demonstrations being set up for people like you to see what its like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
Ever heard of Chinese water torture? thats what this is, except for when the americans want to use it, then its not chinese water torture, its advanced interregation techniques - bonedog73, on 11/10/2007, -0/+4I for one am glad for this, and would give up all my freedoms to be "protected" from terrorists and the boogie men.
I'm glad there are so many people in this country willing to sacrifice freedom for "protection".
I wonder how many more people need to die before you people will learn that the government is only looking out for our best interests.
I'm sure all those soldiers that have died for our "freedom" would be happy that we are slowly giving all our freedom away in the name of "terrorism". - Jade10145, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4That my friend, is pornographic art enjoyed by all.
- Frostman3D, on 11/10/2007, -0/+4I wonder why they don't talk about this on ANY OF THE MAJOR NEWS NETWORKS?
- FLaw, on 11/10/2007, -0/+4I bet if they filtered out all the porn the internet could be saved to a 640K file.
- surfing, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4"They're sending the entire Internet to the secret room."
Alarming for sure, but I have a feeling that they are too inept to handle the amount of data they collected. - MrPig, on 11/10/2007, -1/+5Try not acting like a ***** so much.
How's that? - Slungsolow, on 11/09/2007, -0/+43rd times a charm for this story (this exact story from the WashPost). Anyway... it is important that folks at least see it and get outraged.
- DanaK, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4
http://www.digg.com/security/AT_T_Spying_on_the_Ho ...
-article I was talking about - jackspade, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4I remember once watching an episode of The Jack van Impe show many years ago (early 90's) and having a great laugh as he talked about how the government was going to invade our lives and eventually monitor all of our activities ie EZ Pass, Wiretapping, store club cards microchips. At the time I honestly believed this was total crap, believing that the Americans would NEVER give up their freedoms and privacy because it's what we cherish above all (give me liberty or give me death, Those who would sacrifice Liberty for Security, deserve neither). Looks like I was very very wrong. So very sad. I had much more faith in my fellow Americans but that has totally been shot to hell.
- ruineraz, on 11/10/2007, -1/+5of course it will happen that way. people are too busy with American Idol and Nascar to be bothered about their civil rights
- MarkKezner, on 11/10/2007, -0/+3They got broken up in 1982. Why do you think they're being allowed to remerge? They're cooperating.
- fahrenheitlf, on 11/10/2007, -2/+5That feeling is called ignorance.
- Vician, on 11/10/2007, -0/+3Actually I recommend you read the book The Hacker Crackdown (It's distributed freely). You'll note that what he said isn't far from the truth. AT&T willing submitted to government oversight in order to use that position of power to exert the government favor on their company before it was eventually declared a monopoly and was forced to split apart. What he was getting at is after these dealings with the NSA, AT&T seems to have been allowed to reform back to their former glory fast. While I think that's a lot of conspiracy nonsense, that's where he's coming from.
- SniperGX1, on 11/09/2007, -1/+4Srsly! AT&T is the only communications company that spys on americans....moron
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