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AT&T Gave Feds Access to All Web, Phone Traffic, Ex-Tech Says
seattletimes.nwsource.com — His first inkling that something was amiss came in summer 2002, when he opened the door to admit a visitor from the National Security Agency (NSA) to an AT&T office in San Francisco. "What the heck is the NSA doing here?" Mark Klein, a former AT&T technician, said he asked himself...
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- Babblin5, on 11/10/2007, -1/+32"All around the Worrrllld, Gotta spread the Wor-herr-errrd" (Voiceover) "AT&T... Bringing the World together so we can Spy on You!"
- Chompy, on 11/10/2007, -1/+26Your World, Connected (to the NSA)
- MrPig, on 11/10/2007, -1/+6btw it's:
Your World, Delivered (straight to the NSA)
- MrPig, on 11/10/2007, -1/+6btw it's:
- chrisxkelley, on 11/10/2007, -0/+2"That was my 'aha' moment," Klein said. "They're sending the entire Internet to the secret room."
i want a secret room full of the entire internets :)
- Chompy, on 11/10/2007, -1/+26Your World, Connected (to the NSA)
- XMike14x, on 11/09/2007, -2/+19That is pretty frikken messed up. And I though Verizon was bad! Whoo FiOS!
- Nicksname1, on 11/10/2007, -3/+11Woooooo Your House is on Fire!
- uptown, on 11/10/2007, -3/+41All your information are belong to us.
- digitalarcanum, on 11/10/2007, -0/+6what you say?
- jongam, on 11/10/2007, -5/+33*****.
- PocketWatch, on 11/09/2007, -3/+2Wow, real mature.
How about something constructive?- MrPig, on 11/10/2007, -1/+5Try not acting like a ***** so much.
How's that?- Jade10145, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5Sometimes I leave maturity behind to state words I feel are the most effective..
ATT are ***** cocksuking, NSA cum gargalling, whore, ***** *****, who deserve the monetary rapping that will soon some...
On the same note though, I own stock in Apple and IPhone is with AT and T so I will be feeling this, but still ***** them.
- Jade10145, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5Sometimes I leave maturity behind to state words I feel are the most effective..
- MrPig, on 11/10/2007, -1/+5Try not acting like a ***** so much.
- damonic, on 11/09/2007, -1/+3God damn, I love that word.
- Frostman3D, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1*****' A
- PocketWatch, on 11/09/2007, -3/+2Wow, real mature.
- woofers07, on 11/10/2007, -3/+9surprise, surprise, surprise
- mrswirl, on 11/10/2007, -0/+47Frontline did a program that goes into depth on the issue. It's much more serious than people realize.
Watch the full episode online: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/ ... - Louisd11, on 11/09/2007, -1/+7If companies advertised that they wouldn't give out your tel com stuff people would probably switch over. Good Marketing Scheme...C'mon "V Ad Excs"
- findingthings, on 11/10/2007, -3/+10AT&T used to be directly connected to the federal government, before it was broken up in the 80s. Interesting how it has become prominent again as a "private" entity, quite quickly I might ad.
- KyleGoetz, on 11/08/2007, -3/+3Say what? AT&T has been a private corporation since 1885.
- jgzman, on 11/10/2007, -0/+2Can you show me some way that your statement does not agree with his? I fail to understand your suprise.
- KyleGoetz, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1"used to be DIRECTLY connected to the government"=="was part of the government," in my understanding of the English language.
- Vician, on 11/10/2007, -0/+3Actually I recommend you read the book The Hacker Crackdown (It's distributed freely). You'll note that what he said isn't far from the truth. AT&T willing submitted to government oversight in order to use that position of power to exert the government favor on their company before it was eventually declared a monopoly and was forced to split apart. What he was getting at is after these dealings with the NSA, AT&T seems to have been allowed to reform back to their former glory fast. While I think that's a lot of conspiracy nonsense, that's where he's coming from.
- HonoredMule, on 11/10/2007, -0/+3No need to cry conspiracy...that' just plain old opportunism.
How else would you expect a private company to react when the government wants its back scratched...especially when it's worked so well so many times before?
- HonoredMule, on 11/10/2007, -0/+3No need to cry conspiracy...that' just plain old opportunism.
- KyleGoetz, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1I've read the Hacker Crackdown. I know all about AT&T's monopoly and government influence and power. But my understanding of "directly connected" is "part of the govoernment," which AT&T was definitely not.
- jgzman, on 11/10/2007, -0/+2Can you show me some way that your statement does not agree with his? I fail to understand your suprise.
- KyleGoetz, on 11/08/2007, -3/+3Say what? AT&T has been a private corporation since 1885.
- stevenb486, on 11/10/2007, -4/+17NSA?? Spying on phone calls??? Whats going to be in the next report, CIA uses torture techniques?
- OrangeTide, on 11/10/2007, -10/+2waterboarding isn't torture.
- Murdats, on 11/09/2007, -2/+7tell that to the CIA agents who can only last 14 seconds, the people who are traumatised for years after being submitted to it, you know what, just read this, if you still think it isnt torture i hear there are demonstrations being set up for people like you to see what its like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
Ever heard of Chinese water torture? thats what this is, except for when the americans want to use it, then its not chinese water torture, its advanced interregation techniques - kleevr, on 11/14/2007, -1/+6Water Boarding -> Similuated Drowning -> Simulated Dying -> Simulated Torture -> Simulated Reality -> Simulated Acting -> KEVIN BACON!
- Murdats, on 11/09/2007, -2/+7tell that to the CIA agents who can only last 14 seconds, the people who are traumatised for years after being submitted to it, you know what, just read this, if you still think it isnt torture i hear there are demonstrations being set up for people like you to see what its like.
- OrangeTide, on 11/10/2007, -10/+2waterboarding isn't torture.
- skews13, on 11/09/2007, -6/+2shoot them in the head. shoot them in the head,until their dead
- williamdyer, on 11/09/2007, -5/+1That is what they deserve.
- BelXul, on 11/10/2007, -3/+24This is old news to me. I first brought it up in 2005 only to face criticism from coworkers and insults regarding tin foil. What I'm going to get at is this: What will it take for most average people to listen to the weird but true BS that's been going on? Will everything this is building up to have to fully come to pass before people say, "Hey, how did we get here? We have to do something to turn it around." Sadly, when it got to that point in Germany, people usually asked sometime after they were already behind fences and towers. Will it happen the same way again?
- Murdats, on 11/10/2007, -1/+6I thought this was common knowledge just most people were happy living in their bubble of wilful ignorance, your saying most people didnt actually know this?
- fr34k5h0w, on 11/10/2007, -0/+5"Well I don't really care if they track my calls as long as it prevents a few terrorist attacks"
That's the exact phrase I heard tonight when I brought this up (before I even saw this digg or read this article). The people don't care because they believe that the government has them in their best intentions.
- fr34k5h0w, on 11/10/2007, -0/+5"Well I don't really care if they track my calls as long as it prevents a few terrorist attacks"
- ufia, on 11/09/2007, -4/+3You brought what up in 2005? The first NSA whistleblower did not spill the bean publicly about the wiretap before december 2005. The AT&T whistleblower followed in 2006, well 31 december 2005 to be exact, with more details about the location of wiretaps in San Francisco.
What more could you be aware of earlier than the NSA whistleblower themselves? If you tried to wake your coworkers up about the new world order according to made up ***** from Alex Jones conspiracy websites, or guts feeling you had from figments of your imagination, then yes, your coworkers had good reasons to ridicule you regarding the tin foil hat.- BelXul, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2I read a lot of news daily, and yes, December 2005 was still in 2005. Regardless, there are sources that spill the beans faster than mainstream media. Think about it. How many times on Digg alone have you seen an article, and find another one on the same topic in the evening news or morning newspaper about a week or so later? Furthermore, when it comes to looking into this stuff, when it comes to something really important to me, I will sometimes go out of my way to verify the details personally. Example: When it was reported that Representative DeFazio of Oregon made claims that documents relating to Homeland Security and continuity of government were for the first time declared so secret by the Bush Administration that even HE couldn't view them, the knee jerk reaction from most people was that it was BS, or that it was the end of the world (both extremes). I decided the best way to verify the information was to contact the Congressman himself.
Seriously, if you think something is total crap, or want to be sure that some info that you believe to be useful isn't inaccurate, the best thing to do would be to take the extra step and double check the facts of the story. That goes doubly so in cases of cutting edge information. It sometimes turns out to be bogus, therefore the need to make phone calls, or check with experts often.
Regarding my coworkers back then, I couldn't care less to how they are doing now, but I presume since they were the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh crowd that they still say "Ditto" to anything they hear on the radio or see on TV, and anything that could possibly tarnish their view of reality will likely be attacked still.
- BelXul, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2I read a lot of news daily, and yes, December 2005 was still in 2005. Regardless, there are sources that spill the beans faster than mainstream media. Think about it. How many times on Digg alone have you seen an article, and find another one on the same topic in the evening news or morning newspaper about a week or so later? Furthermore, when it comes to looking into this stuff, when it comes to something really important to me, I will sometimes go out of my way to verify the details personally. Example: When it was reported that Representative DeFazio of Oregon made claims that documents relating to Homeland Security and continuity of government were for the first time declared so secret by the Bush Administration that even HE couldn't view them, the knee jerk reaction from most people was that it was BS, or that it was the end of the world (both extremes). I decided the best way to verify the information was to contact the Congressman himself.
- ruineraz, on 11/10/2007, -1/+5of course it will happen that way. people are too busy with American Idol and Nascar to be bothered about their civil rights
- Elrod, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Sadly, the Germans didn't have a fleet of armed pickup trucks.
- Murdats, on 11/10/2007, -1/+6I thought this was common knowledge just most people were happy living in their bubble of wilful ignorance, your saying most people didnt actually know this?
- PathDaemon, on 11/09/2007, -3/+4Thank God for iPhone unlocks.
- SniperGX1, on 11/09/2007, -1/+4Srsly! AT&T is the only communications company that spys on americans....moron
- locojones, on 11/10/2007, -0/+3In the face of egregious violations of your constitutional rights, you're only concerned about your ***** iPhone? It's people like you who are part of the problem.
- digthedug, on 11/10/2007, -1/+0As a citizen, it's easier to boycott a company by jail breaking a phone than to protect your constitution rights against a major company.
- MarkKezner, on 11/10/2007, -0/+2If you read the article, you'd see that the data pipes that were leaked to the government contained traffic from many other phone carriers as well. They're tapping into internettelecomm backbones. So you're still ***** no matter who you pay your bill to.
- sshhaammss, on 11/09/2007, -4/+2I hope they find us to be entertaining, at least.
- digthedug, on 11/09/2007, -2/+3Damnit, why'd AT&T buy out Cingular, now MY data is going to be stalked. And I loved the name Cingular, AT&T is just a crappy name.
- nexmachina, on 11/09/2007, -0/+0AT&T didn't buy them out. They just merged again. AT&T is owned by SBC in Texas, and Cingular was always in SBC's hands as well as Bellsouth. SBC "bought" out Bellsouth, which gave them 100% control of Cingular. Cingular was never a publicly traded company.
- Elrod, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Before it was Cingular, it was known as Southwestern Bell Mobile Systems.
- sdigroup, on 11/10/2007, -1/+8I thought the reason at&t broke up in the first place was because of it being a monopoly. Now its "OK" to take over and buy everything in sight. I find it nothing more than a full control of government spying in a hidden wrapper of A&tt
- mds76, on 11/10/2007, -0/+7Not to sound cynical, but are you HONESTLY surprised?
- BedPost, on 11/10/2007, -0/+2Leave me alone in my dishonest surprise.
- surfing, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4"They're sending the entire Internet to the secret room."
Alarming for sure, but I have a feeling that they are too inept to handle the amount of data they collected.- fahrenheitlf, on 11/10/2007, -2/+5That feeling is called ignorance.
- mrswirl, on 11/09/2007, -0/+7Google "Narus STA 6400".
I think you will be surprised at how adept they can be.- obliviousfool, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Narus, Echelon, Promis, lord knows what else...
---- We've come a long way baby!!!
- obliviousfool, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Narus, Echelon, Promis, lord knows what else...
- moxley, on 11/10/2007, -0/+7The two replies above me said it very well, but let me add: None of our intelligence aparatus are inept. Neither is our government. They want you to think that, that is part of what they do. It's part of the scheme. It's part of doing their job well (at least on the intelligence side).
As a matter of fact. of FACT... I will tell you that the NSA is the premere technical organization in the world, period. They have technology that would blow your ***** mind in regular use - and the super compartmentalized, research and other such stuff is so advanced you'd think it was sci-fi or magic...
Everytime I read this ***** I realize how little people know of our intelligence apparatus (not that I know everything, not that 99.999% of the people who work for the NSA know everything they have) but the stuff I have attested to here is true.
They could filter that amount of data much easier than you'd ever imagine, possibly even in *****. - FLaw, on 11/10/2007, -0/+4I bet if they filtered out all the porn the internet could be saved to a 640K file.
- Elrod, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2So steganography inside porn images is the way to go?
- sporg, on 11/09/2007, -1/+6Personally Im not sure I could have resisted the urge to break into that room and smash all their equipement.
- fahrenheitlf, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5"First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price? Only, this one can be kept secret."
- DivisibleByZero, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1I'm going to assume that room had a lot of armed guards in it. Going in there probably wouldn't be the best idea.
- shig, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3A gallon of gasoline does the work of a thousand hammers.
- sporg, on 11/10/2007, -0/+1I like the way you think sir.
- Sparkle7, on 11/09/2007, -2/+1and here I just signed a 2 year contract with them for their new tilt phone the apple touch killer!
- webznz, on 11/09/2007, -0/+0apple touch?? FREKKING dingbatt dont you mean apple iphone?
- OrangeTide, on 11/09/2007, -7/+4so what? My only concern with NSA spying is are they wasting money on frivolous spying. I'd rather they spent money on fighting the next terrorist plot or something.
Also web traffic, IMs, etc go out on the public network. How private do you think HTTP is when anyone between you and your destination can see it?- mrswirl, on 11/10/2007, -1/+11The issue here is that FISA explicitly prohibits domestic surveillance and wiretaps without a warrant. Collecting all unfiltered Internet and voice-data traffic including domestic-only communications is a clear violation of the 4th amendment.
You remember that little piece of paper called the 'Constitution', don't you?- DivisibleByZero, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1Networks don't really work in a way that you can discernibly capture traffic that's only going to a specific place. You have to look at every packet and see if it's something you're interested in. If it is, you keep it. If it's not, you throw it away and don't care.
On a national scale, there's no way to monitor only traffic going to foreign countries. Maybe that means they can't monitor ANYBODY, but I'm not so sure that's better. - mrswirl, on 11/10/2007, -0/+5That's exactly the problem and why FISA mandates that you need a warrant to go snooping. The potential for abuse is far too great. Even if they're not abusing it today, what's to stop a future administration from pushing the boundaries?
Otherwise we just have to accept it on faith when they say "We're only looking for the bad guys. We don't look at all the other stuff. Trust us." Yeah, sure.
- DivisibleByZero, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1Networks don't really work in a way that you can discernibly capture traffic that's only going to a specific place. You have to look at every packet and see if it's something you're interested in. If it is, you keep it. If it's not, you throw it away and don't care.
- mrswirl, on 11/10/2007, -1/+11The issue here is that FISA explicitly prohibits domestic surveillance and wiretaps without a warrant. Collecting all unfiltered Internet and voice-data traffic including domestic-only communications is a clear violation of the 4th amendment.
- mozzep, on 11/09/2007, -4/+1don't blame AT & T, blame the government.
- Haecceity, on 11/10/2007, -0/+7Blame both. AT&T could have told the governmet go go away and not come back until they had a warrant. That would have been the legal thing to do. Instead they cravenly caved and broke the law.
- MarkKezner, on 11/10/2007, -0/+3They got broken up in 1982. Why do you think they're being allowed to remerge? They're cooperating.
- Haecceity, on 11/10/2007, -0/+7Blame both. AT&T could have told the governmet go go away and not come back until they had a warrant. That would have been the legal thing to do. Instead they cravenly caved and broke the law.
- Shaman760, on 11/10/2007, -0/+5And all of you went out and bought the iPhone on AT&Ts' network.
Know why they call it the GodPhone? Because somewhere, there is a god (or someone with a god complex) who listens to your every word. - adml_shake, on 11/09/2007, -1/+2This is a complete outrage! Who do I donate money to too get a lawsuit started?! Or better yet, what members of congress should we bribe to get this change?!
- mrswirl, on 11/10/2007, -1/+8There's already a class action lawsuit underway by the Electronic Frontier Foundation. You can donate there.
http://www.eff.org/cases/att- adml_shake, on 11/09/2007, -1/+2Thank you
- MikeFallopian, on 11/09/2007, -5/+1You can donate your money to me, I'll see that it gets to the correct people.
- mrswirl, on 11/10/2007, -1/+8There's already a class action lawsuit underway by the Electronic Frontier Foundation. You can donate there.
- bonedog73, on 11/10/2007, -0/+4I for one am glad for this, and would give up all my freedoms to be "protected" from terrorists and the boogie men.
I'm glad there are so many people in this country willing to sacrifice freedom for "protection".
I wonder how many more people need to die before you people will learn that the government is only looking out for our best interests.
I'm sure all those soldiers that have died for our "freedom" would be happy that we are slowly giving all our freedom away in the name of "terrorism".- moxley, on 11/10/2007, -0/+6No, the people behind our freedoms being taken away are the terrorists. They are within our government.
- Slungsolow, on 11/09/2007, -0/+43rd times a charm for this story (this exact story from the WashPost). Anyway... it is important that folks at least see it and get outraged.
- Haecceity, on 11/09/2007, -1/+8I can't believe the people that think this is no big deal. No government is going to be able to resist the temptation to misuse this information, for example by tracking journalists' calls to see who their contacts are. This is simply outrageous and unconstitutional.
- chantastic, on 11/09/2007, -1/+0Let's see if Tom Lantos is going to make the CEO of ATT apologize to the family of anyone arrested as a result of this.
- lok3n, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2Goin' on down to Room 101.
- mrswirl, on 11/10/2007, -0/+6Say what you will about the legality Bush's warrantless wiretapping program, but the reason FISA was passed in the first place was to prevent exactly this from happening again.
The Bush administration will say that they're only monitoring international communications with known or suspected terrorists but, if what Mark Klein says is true, they are basically sweeping up *ALL* Internet traffic and snooping through it. All of it -- Domestic and International together. There's no other way to do it.
I don't know what could be a more clear violation of FISA and the 4th amendment than this. Remember Watergate? This is it born again in the 21st century. - MikeFallopian, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1"They're sending the entire Internet to the secret room."
I hate wiretapping as much as the next guy, but this quote cracked me the ***** up.- zanzzz, on 11/10/2007, -0/+2Now we know what Ted Stevens meant when he was talking about the tubes being clogged, damn NSA!
- jackspade, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4I remember once watching an episode of The Jack van Impe show many years ago (early 90's) and having a great laugh as he talked about how the government was going to invade our lives and eventually monitor all of our activities ie EZ Pass, Wiretapping, store club cards microchips. At the time I honestly believed this was total crap, believing that the Americans would NEVER give up their freedoms and privacy because it's what we cherish above all (give me liberty or give me death, Those who would sacrifice Liberty for Security, deserve neither). Looks like I was very very wrong. So very sad. I had much more faith in my fellow Americans but that has totally been shot to hell.
- DivisibleByZero, on 11/09/2007, -3/+1This guy lost credibility right there in the intro when he asked "what's the NSA doing here?" There are any number of legitimate reasons for the NSA to visit a phone company. I mean, it's their job to secure our government's communications and catch foreign spies. The secret room is pretty dubious, but don't immediately assume that the NSA's there to do something bad before you see proof of it. Maybe they wanted AT&T to help them track down a known spy?
While his information about the existence of the secret room might be accurate (and could feasibly be verified, unless they've moved the room); anything he says about what data they're monitoring is purely speculation on his part. I know, I know, "the whole internet" was being duplicated into that secret room, so they *could have* been monitoring anything.
I can see why they wouldn't want to do anything selective outside of the secret room though. Anything outside the room would inherently be less secure, so a spy could snoop everything going between their router and the room (so he'd know if they were on to him or not), or he could compromise their router and make sure his traffic went through unnoticed.- DanaK, on 11/10/2007, -0/+7If you actually go back and read the better, more informative articles on Klein you will see some pretty good proof. This article was kind of short and didn't provide all the backstory. There is another great one on digg interviewing Klein that goes into much more detail about diverting the entire pipeline in that building through this secret room and its equipment. He also describes how it came to pass that he saw the cryptographic machines etc that process this data and the brand etc.
The reason he says the whole internet is because AT&T is one of the , if not the largest backbone provider in the continental U.S. Just because you are on Comcast or Insight or whomever doesn't mean you're not on AT&T somewhere along your route. Thats why they were the target of this operation. If you look at the breakouts the amount of traffic that goes upstream via AT&Ts backbone is startling. - DanaK, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4
http://www.digg.com/security/AT_T_Spying_on_the_Ho ...
-article I was talking about - mrswirl, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2Google "Narus STA 6400". I think the evidence is pretty substantial to point to what they were looking for.
Read his interview with Frontline for more details on how he put the clues together - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/ ...
- DanaK, on 11/10/2007, -0/+7If you actually go back and read the better, more informative articles on Klein you will see some pretty good proof. This article was kind of short and didn't provide all the backstory. There is another great one on digg interviewing Klein that goes into much more detail about diverting the entire pipeline in that building through this secret room and its equipment. He also describes how it came to pass that he saw the cryptographic machines etc that process this data and the brand etc.
- dilema, on 11/10/2007, -0/+5The funniest part of all this is that years ago when privacy and anti-big brother was rampant during the Reagan administration "Ma-Bell" was split up. Now during the Bush administration AT&T gets rebuilt. Didn't anyone wonder why we spent tax payer dollars in the early 80's to fund a multi-million dollar anti-trust case to split up Ma-Bell just to let them reform like vultron in the present time? Well the more internet/phone exchanges AT&T controls...the more access the NSA has any/all data transmissions. Oh Qwest/Sprint/UUNet/ETC doesn't like the idea of the NSA spying on it's customers? Oh well, just head over to AT&T's exchanges and grab it there. Think about it.
- Frostman3D, on 11/10/2007, -0/+4I wonder why they don't talk about this on ANY OF THE MAJOR NEWS NETWORKS?
- aliensporebomb, on 11/10/2007, -0/+6Major media = govt puppetry in action. Talking about this would distract people from the war effort.
- Naguero, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1can someone point me to the Narus semantic traffic analyzer torrent file ...
- AlanJV, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Jeebus, lets hope the tards on Capitol Hill listen to the man and put a stop to this crap. I wouldn't hold my breath, though.
- dakilla91, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Uh oh :(
***** AT&T and their *****. God dammit! - porkchop009, on 11/09/2007, -3/+0this guy sounds like a huge ***** idiot
"they're copying the whole internet"
so he "stumbled across" sekrat documents
he also was coindentally transferred to the facility in which the sekrat room was being built
teh NSA is in ur internets, vacuuming up ur tubes- zanzzz, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Unfortunately the idiot is you. If you did a little research you might begin to realize the NSA has staggering abilities far beyond anything remotely available commercially.
Here's a start:
http://www.eff.org/cases/att - goffy59, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1bahahahahaha sheep. bhahaahahah
- zanzzz, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Unfortunately the idiot is you. If you did a little research you might begin to realize the NSA has staggering abilities far beyond anything remotely available commercially.
- zanzzz, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1AT&T "Your World. Delivered. To The NSA."
http://www.eff.org/cases/att - goffy59, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1***** the government.
- Hyperion1144, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
IMPEACH NOW - shootsfired, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1isn't this old news? I always keep reading stories about these secret rooms geared towards collecting information. I don't think there is going to be a way to stop the government from spying on their own citizens.
- fac3less, on 11/16/2007, -0/+1*cackles gleefully*
The cute thing is all of your traffic passes over an AT&T network at some point -- sooner or later it goes through an AT&T POP. Every google request, every e-mail, everything. Sadly, mine too as a Canadian. United States -- you've been had.
Though this isn't news, hey it's been going on for years & it's been publicized for years. First Carnivore, now this.
You're being eaten alive from the inside out.
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