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- adeelarshad82, on 07/15/2009, -1/+17$150 for a netbook is sick.... however makes you wonder if what you're buying is going to be a piece of crap though
- wejmahtin, on 07/16/2009, -1/+15But why 'ChromeOS' over any other lightweight linux distribution?
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 07/16/2009, -5/+17Since it won't run any APPLICATIONS worth a damn, it's only worth $150...pass.
- inactive, on 07/16/2009, -1/+13Because it's made by Google, duh! Everyone knows that anything Google makes is automatically better than anything else. Google.
- wakingrufus, on 07/16/2009, -1/+10buried for trying to make it seem like its ARM's fault that microsoft won't release a version of windows for the ARM architecture.
i for one would love to buy an ARM based netbook running linux. - Inceptious, on 07/16/2009, -2/+11What began as a conflict over the transfer of consciousness from flesh to machines escalated into a war which has decimated a million worlds. The Core and the Arm have all but exhausted the resources of a galaxy in their struggle for domination. Both sides now crippled beyond repair, the remnants of their armies continue to battle on ravaged planets, their hatred fueled by over four thousand years of total war. This is a fight to the death. For each side, the only acceptable outcome is the complete elimination of the other.
ARM ftw. - techdever, on 07/16/2009, -1/+9Really getting tired of hearing about Google Chrome Hype OS. It's not better than anything else until it's actually released.
/waiting for ARM Cortex + Coca-Cola OS article - Myztry, on 07/16/2009, -0/+8At these prices if your netbook breaks down, gets stolen, takes an alternate vacation with the rest of your airplane luggage, etc then you could just pick another one up at the local convenience store, log on and all your data is still there on Google's servers.
- Chrysalii, on 07/16/2009, -1/+8Google name recognition
- Charlotte_Web, on 07/16/2009, -0/+5Chrome OS uses the Linux kernel, and I'm gonna guess that the main difference here is that, instead of booting into a GUI manager, the netbook boots directly into the browser.
- JQP123, on 07/16/2009, -0/+4"When a company that ships 90 processors a second wants to talk, I'm willing to at least hear them out."
Technically, ARM doesn't ship processors, it's partners do. ARM licenses it's processor designs; which like most things is both good and bad. It's good in that it allows for multiple product sources. It's bad in that it splits the market and limits the production of any one source. Why is this bad? Because in the world of electronics, production is related to unit cost. The more you produce, the cheaper the cost per unit. - adeelarshad82, on 07/16/2009, -1/+5Right but its not like anyone would want to go out and spend $150 every few months on a netbook you know.
- KMartSheriff, on 07/16/2009, -2/+6You get what you pay for. It'll probably be fine, but don't be surprised if it falls apart or feels cheap.
- skipvt, on 07/16/2009, -0/+4Nope, your math is wrong.
- theOster, on 07/16/2009, -0/+3and out of curiosity, what apps are you referring to?
- JQP123, on 07/16/2009, -1/+4"have they had the option yet?"
They've had a peek at it.
When "netbooks" first came out, more were loaded with Linux than Windows. Now it is just the reverse. If all consumers really wanted was a web surfing device, they shouldn't care what OS it is running. But the fact that they do care suggests that they really want something more than that.
Recent history hasn't been too kind to limited, single purpose carry around devices. Anyone remember the PDA? - DarkShroud, on 07/16/2009, -0/+3Intel is probably a big player in that.
- JQP123, on 07/16/2009, -2/+5"For netbooks to really take off you need an OS truly designed for the form factor, or at least with an optimized UI, otherwise they will continue being a neat toy at best."
You see, I was thinking just the reverse. A netbook with a unique OS that can't run existing desktop software would be a "neat toy" at best. Sure, it can surf the web but why settle for that when you can surf the web *and* run existing software? - JQP123, on 07/16/2009, -1/+4"The point of low end netbooks is to access the internet, and that's it."
According to you. But consumers don't really care what you or I think the point is. What consumers thus far appear to be buying is a low cost portable PC. They don't care if you call it a "netbook" as long as it functions like a PC. Sell them something else and they'll likely return it. - JQP123, on 07/16/2009, -0/+3"People tend to forget that even Intel makes a brand of ARM processors."
Intel used to make ARM processors (XScale) but they sold it to Marvell about 2 years ago and shifted focus to the X86 Atom. Probably due to some of the reasons I mentioned above --- they obviously thought it would never be all that profitable with the multitude of other players. - JQP123, on 07/16/2009, -1/+4The point. Consumers may miss it too.
- JQP123, on 07/16/2009, -1/+4They can call it whatever they want but the evidence thus far suggests that what consumers are really looking to buy is a small, low cost laptop PC, not a single purpose web surfing device; aka "netbook".
- TrancePhreak, on 07/16/2009, -0/+3Windows Mobile/CE already runs on ARM and that's got web browsers as well.
- nullity, on 07/16/2009, -1/+4A small, lightweight, low power, low cost, long battery life notebook PC that's only good for browsing the net?
What's the point? They might as well call it a net...book... oh wait. - gamben0, on 07/16/2009, -0/+3Any thing with a question mark in the title is an absolute NO and a bury.
- damack, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2100 dollars is a more appropriate price IMO.
Make a netbook, call it something fancy with the Google brand like "Google Internet Minicomputer" or something fancy but simple with the Google branding and then put it in every single Walmart for $100 dollars.
The twitter/facebook crowds(ie the vast majority of PC owners) will buy that ***** up like its going out of style.
Thats where the majority of the PC market sits when it comes to computing. As cheap as possible and facebook and twitter a must. - JQP123, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2"I don't see that microsoft can sustain the level of its revenue stream in that price climate."
In MS's latest earnings report, their server and tools division accounted for more income than their desktop operating systems.
"Remember, in 1969 memory was $1.6million dollars per megabyte, now less that 1 cent."
Remember, everything changes and that includes MS. While you weren't looking, the company moved well beyond desktop operating systems. - thefreehunter, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2The point of low end netbooks is to access the internet, and that's it. You have indeed missed the point.
- inactive, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2Intel and Microsoft are against the idea? Where do I sign up?
- Myztry, on 07/16/2009, -1/+3I wonder if bytecode JIT compilers like Java, Mono, etc will be able to produce ARM code. I'd like to see more bytecode/IML based languages to open the doorways for new processor types.
- jerrykew, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2Sorry, you are right, I should have said "I don't see how they can sustain that level in the consumer laptop/desktop market - the computer in every home"
- Wag3Slav3, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2Yeah, a web browser isn't an application. OpenOffice isn't either. Neither is the whole ubuntu world in synaptic.
No applications? No viruses! Won't run those lovely worms that you windows guys love so much. Guess it's useless. - the8thbit, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2JQP, I think you fail to realize that most people who buy netbooks probably don't no the difference between a browser and an OS. They buy Windows not because they enjoy the capabilities of the OS and don't want to risk going with something else, but because they only have experience with Windows.
- MWeather, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2Actually, worms run fine if you install wine. It's kind of sad to watch, actually. Poor little virus trapped in a sandbox :(
- DarkShroud, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2I like the idea of competition but convinceing people to buy a "little laptop" that will only be good for browsering the web and doesn't run windows will be pretty hard to do. Especially when the Atom netbooks are able to run XP & Win7 with Word. When the web version of Office comes out that will solve a big part of the problem. If they can be tethered to a cell phone that solves most of the problem. Then it's just down to image, the OS & the browser.
Firefox with several add-ons installed is a memory whore. Chrome is heavy on memory and cpu cycles because of it's sandboxing & threaded tabs. That leaves Opera, IE8, & light weight web kit browsers depending on the OS. I know serveral people who have asked me about netbooks in the end all but one bought a cheap laptop from Newegg for aroudn $500. Add another $100 to the mix and you get into Blu-ray terrority, which has a lot of appear as a portable media player. The one that buoght the netbook got an Asus for around $400 with XP for his daughter to do her homework on, meaning MS Office. - depro9, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2learn to read "next" :P
- datdamonfoo, on 07/16/2009, -0/+2If you don't buy a computer, you'll never get a computer worm or virus.
- revisrev, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1The point had been made. People are not interested in MP3 players. Then the iPod came out.
- revisrev, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1A neat toy, at the right price, will sell.
- etx313, on 07/16/2009, -1/+2Pretty sure this ChromeOS thing is being built on the linux kernel.
- wejmahtin, on 07/16/2009, -3/+4like the google phone
- megaton, on 07/16/2009, -0/+1Java and Mono already support ARM. Can't speak for the others (I think there's a port of Lua that supports JIT on ARM), but there's certainly nothing stopping them from supporting ARM.
- JQP123, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1"A neat toy, at the right price, will sell."
Yes, but the "right price" may not make for a profitable, sustainable product.
When it comes to carry around devices, most consumers are quite selective. Cost is not the only factor. And single purpose devices don't seem to do so well over the long run.
For example, PDAs were a lot cheaper than a smartphone but when was the last time you saw someone carrying one? Do they still even make these? - JQP123, on 07/16/2009, -1/+2"microsoft windows is still the most widely known operating system there is."
So basically, you agree that the OS does matter to "netbook" buyers. Our only point of difference is why. You think this this solely due to brand loyalty, I think it is because they expect the functionality they're accustomed to with a laptop PC. In other words, you tend to give MS marketing all the credit. - noumuon, on 07/16/2009, -0/+1"They can call it whatever they want but the evidence thus far suggests that what consumers are really looking to buy is a small, low cost laptop PC"
[citation needed]
"But the fact that they do care suggests that they really want something more than that."
your logic is somewhat shaky JQP. the mere increase in windows in netbooks does not necessarily imply consumers looking for something more. consumers, particularly in the computing market, rely heavily on brand name; it's why dell is still around. microsoft windows is still the most widely known operating system there is. - jerrykew, on 07/16/2009, -2/+3If it is about to be $150 for a machine, then $50 can't be far away, THEN we'll see OS wars. The question will become: Do I pay $50 for my laptop with open source (whoever - Google are just using their brand recognition to make Open Source less scary) or do I pay twice that to have windows. Techies will buy according to their personal prejudices, people just wanting a browser will buy according to price. I don't see that microsoft can sustain the level of its revenue stream in that price climate.
Remember, in 1969 memory was $1.6million dollars per megabyte, now less that 1 cent. - BionicAntboy, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1Actually, I find Windows 7 runs pretty damned well in a standard netbook (Acer Aspire One). With the advent of the ION chipset, they're even capable of playing half decent games and handling HD video.
Personally, I can't wait for someone like ASROCK to come out with a netbook using their Instant On technology (currently in their Atom dual core 330 nettop) which boots up in under 10 seconds (sometimes as fast as 5 seconds). As netbook capabilities increase the average person is going to wonder more and more why they're running limited operating systems. When I say limited, I don't mean Linux, but Chrome OS as Google has stated that their focus is browser apps for cloud computing, and what they'll do regarding Linux native apps is still up in the air.
If you want Linux on a netbook, Ubuntu Netbook Remix would be my choice. - jakem1, on 07/16/2009, -3/+4Really, what is the point then? A netbook that's only good for visiting Digg or Youtube? No thanks.
We already know that people want Windows on their netbooks - that's been proven time and time again. I don't see the point of this race to the bottom with cheap, under-performing hardware and second rate software. - solarwind24, on 07/16/2009, -1/+2ARM is amazing. You don't get to fully appreciate their architecture until you actually start building things with their processors.
- the8thbit, on 07/16/2009, -0/+1Also, considering how long it'll be before we see Chrome OS hit netbooks with an official stable release, don't you think prices might be around the $100 range?
Pretty cheap. -
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