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- takeda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I understand firing the decision makers, but emplyees?
What choice did they have?
Follow their decisions and get fired, or not listening and get fired?
I don't think it's fair. - btipling, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12It just wasn't popular, and some of the digg posts with this news got taken out of the cue for some mysterious (cough hidden moderators cough) reason. If you search for AOL you'll find about, 4 pages worth of posts on this news and none of them made it to the front page until today. Two days after everyone read about it everywhere else.
- r121, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I think many corporations must hire a couple people for the sole purpose of publicly firing them after scandals.
- JayRod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Well sooner or later they would have been laid off anyway. It's just AOL trying to defend itself by holding someone accountable.
- Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7As poster btipling alluded to, this is weird, and a little suspicious: A quick search for "AOL fires" comes up with 13 other posts, most of them earlier than this one, all with really low numbers of diggs.
Then there's this submission, submitted less than 24 hours ago, with 338 diggs as I write this and only 22 comments. And of those few comments, the very first posts are talking about how this is a late submission. Don't get me wrong, I'm not yelling "dupe" here; I don't care about dupes. It's just a bit strange that suddenly we have something dugg up so swiftly when it's reasonably old news and 13 previous submissions about it went nowhere. It makes me think that some posts are being given magically inflated diggs, by people that can do that sort of thing. So is this really a user-driven community or isn't it? Inquiring minds want to know. - author20, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Apparently, AOL has some strong influence on Digg. My post on this message contained a summary of AOL's security and privacy violations over the last 10 years.
It was all public information and as solid as a rock.
Digg is not trustworthy, going to remember this forever. When a publisher is compromised, it might as well be AOL. Digg is now AOL. - mobius20, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It doesn't link back to a user ID; it doesn't allow for grouping of searches by users.
AOL gave out complete search histories. - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7
The mere fact that you're asking that question leads me to believe you're on AOL right now. - mem7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6That doesn't tie the searches to any individual (or number in AOL's case), its just the current most popular searches and trends. Huge difference.
- NinjAlt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8So they used these people as a scape goat for doing their job? ***** you AOL. We still blame you. Not them.
- nanobot001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, I love Digg -- I've been keeping an eye on how its been doing since Dec 04, but only registered recently.
The lack of transparency, and the sudden disappearnce of Ali Wood are pretty disturbing
What's also disturbing is how the Digg community either doesn't seem to give a fig about it, or when people make noise, they *poof* disappear.
I have tried "digging" into the Aliwood issue further, but all I've run into is a wall of silence. It could be the "who the hell are you" factor, but many sites are just not answering my emails.
http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2006/08/20/the-anguish-of-a-d-list-blogger/ - kbarrett, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I just did a search for digg and found something posted six days ago about AOL employees burying the stories.
- surfit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Don't like the way business culture these days requires finding a scapegoat when *anything* goes wrong, it's why politicians have nothing to say, it encourages selfishness and blocks innovation.
When something goes wrong there should be an investigation to find out what happened and how the *system* can be improved to prevent it happening again in the future. There should be no martyr unless something maliciously awful happened.
I blame the tabloids and their owners for this sort of crap... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I was wondering when it was going to show on the front page.
- digitaldivider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3from the department of things that were bound to happen: 'sup.
- author20, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The below message was deleted mysteriously by Digg -- for no reason:
1. 1993 to 1997 -- AOL employees abused master key privileges and hacked member accounts and email regularly. My book manuscript was intercepted 9 times, my publisher went out of business and my editor and I reported it to the F-B-Yi. The perpetrators mocked us, and even sent pictures of themselves! AOL did nothing.
2. 1994 -- AOL begins aggressive marketing to homosexuals and lesbians, using an announcer with heavy feminine announcements on their corporate line. Many believe this was the end of AOL.
3. 1996 -- AOL follows my suggestion and puts warnings in chat box title bar -- "Don't give password or credit card in chat..." It immediately reduces fraud and increases revenue for AOL, but they don't even thank me.
5. 1996 or 1997 -- Harold Long of INS conducts comprehensive security audit of AOL. They ignore it and the below incidents will demonstrate this.
6. 1997 -- AOL's domain is hijacked because they don't secure their domain name. For four days, email to and from AOL is not deliverable. AOL apologizes.
7. 1997 -- AOL offers unlimited dial-up in response to Earthlink, but can't deliver. After millions complain, they apologize - again. About this same time, many users report that when they try to erase AOL from their PC, it corrupts Windows and requires a re-install. Some must repair their PCs.
8. 1998 -- AOL begins hanging up on customers who want to quit. We now know that the practice is encouraged in training materials. The practice continues today, along with very long hold times and the charging of cards when users were able to cancel.
9. 2003 or 2004 - AOL busts one of their engineers for selling 90M email addresses to spammers.
10. 2004 -- AOL Kid chat room moderator busted for soliciting sex with children.
11. 2001 -- Steve Case and other executives were suspected of filing false financial reports (Enron style), yet the company is only fined. Nobody has gone to jail. Hmmm.
12. 2006 -- Reports of serious privacy violations and possibly violations of federal protections against violating users privacy. The story is obviously being covered-up by AOL and this post was erased before without explanation.
13. 2007 -- Hopefully, rather than AOL offering free dial-up service to stop the loss of 1M users per quarter, we see somebody acquire their network, layoff all their employees and retire the brand. By retire, I mean that I hope AOL is removed from the face of the earth.
14. Jail Steve Case. He misreported. He confirmed that he knew. He is guilty. - josegutz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I hear that the Donald volunteered to do the honors...
- kbarrett, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Are you saying your comment went *poof* and magically disappeared? Did someone pull an Ali Wood?
http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2006/08/18/why-i-think-the-whole-digg-aliwood-thing-is-a-big-deal/ - BuddhaChu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Exactly my thought too...except I think AOL will go out of business permanently (eventually).
- EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You need a little bit of concatenation there my friend.
- leanweb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2(deleted)
- fauxXenophanes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WE'RE FREE NOW! , so to make up for lost profit we've just sold your soul...
- RexKwando, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Let the blood flow!
- ReikiMaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1can anybody say "scape goat"?
- funk49, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1***** that...I blame AOL *AND* the people fired. I also think that the CSO should be thrown out on their ass as well for not having better policy in place that prevents this sort of disclosure.
The employee should be fired for doing it (unless they were instructed to), the CSO for lack of compliance monitoring and education and the CTO for allowing the technical lapse to happen on their watch.
For all the people who think that they're being made the scapegoat, I have one question. Why do you think they pay the C-level execs that kind of money? *HINT* It might have something to do with RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY. - author20, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Until they are gone -- all Americans have a duty to continue beating this corrupt, evil, demon dog.
They chant anti-Microsoft "prayers" and then abuse customers for bonuses.
It is time to talk about arresting even phone operators along with the management and spokes-persons. - Jeezoflip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Im so sick of hearing about AOL all the time. Lets just get over it - they suck.
- IanBell330, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1AOL has basically dug their own grave. Any news related to the company is going to be bad news regardless of how positive it is supposed to be. Sell whatever stock you have left of the company and let the Titanic sink...
- DiggieSmalls, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I fear that the repercussions for the rest of the Internet will be a little more severe. If anyone has seen some of the really funny/horrible searches, which I assume that we all have, you know that this has passed across some politicians desk. With the government trying to hold a little leverage over the Internet, these insane searches could be used in their favor showing what happens when the public has access to a huge resource such as the Internet. The firings might just be the start of something very, very bad.
- towski, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1why is aol getting so much flak for this again? Google only does research with all this anonymous search data. It's their business.
- dzhuo04, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1that rly isnt the major prob that AOL has, AOL is the worst when you want to cancel ur subscription.... i think their little caller refrence charts r like 12 pages long..... good grief, they might as well install their software with a rookit to kp u from canceling their service, and call the big boys at AOL
- aleandro, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6no they fired them because they did something stupid and are responsible for it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0HAHA I thought AOL was happy to release them.
AOL = LOA + SER - Akadjjoel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Was wating on this. But still its AOL.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Wasn't this story on Digg a week ago?
- kbarrett, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1It's already pushed back to the second page of 'view all'. Sometimes I swear this site has a mind of its own.
- talledega500, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0http://www.blackboxsearch.com
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8a little late.
- Granat, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1How is it different than Google's search data? http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html
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