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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+93Friends dont let friends use AOL.
They are evil on so many levels. - prot0col, on 10/12/2007, -5/+72Did AOL ever have Credibility?
- oDin420, on 10/12/2007, -8/+49i blame AOL for all the little bastards floating around the net.
- carguy84, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38Friends don't let friends link to blogs:
direct link:
http://www1.webpronews.com/topnews/topnews/wpn-60-20060414FiascoAOLCensoringCriticsMail.html#Thursday - Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Oh, and here's a bonus: neither the poster nor the original article nor even MoveOn consider the possibility that the email tripped AOL's spam filters then, after the email's authors complained, AOL changed the filters to allow the email to pass. No, obviously they are dirty liars trying to hide the truth by, errrr, delivering it.
Doesn't anyone learn critical thinking or basic logic anymore? - antdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17And Lex Luthor uses AOL (see the last newest episode). [sighs]
- aurigus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17"only all users with an aol.com email address had this message BLOCKED by AOL, WITHOUT even sending a message back with failure of delivery."
AKA - Their spam filters caught it. Spam filters don't always work 100% I don't think it is exactly fair to call this "Censorship" because their spam filters aren't taking sides against MoveOn here. They simply had enough messages flagged as spam that it probably rejected these messages from their mail servers.
Working with anti-spam at AOL is sometimes difficult but usually you can get your mail messages through if you are legit! They publish their postmaster phone number and they've always been very responsive when I've called it. - phpirate, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Better yet, people who use AOL aren't my friends ;)
- Marxux, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Who the hell still uses AOL anyway?
- lifeforms, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14My thoughts exactly. Likely, they sent too many messages in a short time interval, or too many AOL subscribers clicked on "This is spam".
As a network administrator I've had to jump through a few hoops in order to make sure that delivery to AOL was always okay. AOL tends to be heavy-handed, but they have no other option with these volumes of spam.
I now subscribed to the excellent "feedback loop" service at http://postmaster.aol.com/. In this way AOL sends a copy of all spam reports to our network's abuse address. This enables us to shut down spam accounts and insecure websites very quickly.
In my experience AOL always rejects the mail in the standard fashion with a meaningful SMTP error message. So if they used a proper mailer, they should have received a bounce. If the mail was accepted and blackholed, something fishy might be going on. Although I think it's highly unlikely that a major E-mail provider would specifically blackhole messages based on the sender's attitude towards a company's initiative. - headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Like you, I am a passionate hater of AOL, but I have a hard time imagining them doing something so stupid. As much as we all like to think that a bunch of monkeys are running things at AOL, that is not the case. Anyone that would try to block MoveOn.org would certainly know who they are, what they are capable of, and how well it would burn AOL if the news got out.
I don't think they are that stupid. - repentantfan, on 03/25/2008, -1/+10The fact is MoveOn.org sends out their crap in an abusive manner. They break rules ISPs set in place to protect their customers and their systems. When they are blocked for their abuse, they rely on political intimadation and defamation of the ISP. I can assure you they were breaking message and connection rate limits, caused a lot of spam complaints, and now they're using their political tactics to get what they want, instead of adhering to the ISP's mail delivery policies. Just because a lot of people have opted in to the crap doesn't meant they are not sending it to others who don't want it.
- infra172, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Everybody knows MoveOn makes ***** up.
- dizzyd_23, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Credibility? What Credibility?
- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8It's MoveOn.org, who gives a *****!
- ktorbeck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Friends don't let friends belong to terrorist support groups like "MoveOn.Org"
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6How is moveon.org different from other spam? Did these people actually want their "news"? I have a hard time believing an actual person decided to block this email.
- ebenthurston, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6can i get gmail to start censoring moveon? that would be a nice feature.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8That exact thought popped into my head the second I saw the title :)
- mgreenwald, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8You sure that was coffee you were smelling?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I would feel a lot better about this if MoveOn.com were not involved. Why should I believe this latest conspiracy theory?
- theblooms, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5From the way MoveOn.org presents "facts," Ted Turner, of all people, is now a confirmed member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
- hadees, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Most likely this is the fault of MoveOn. AOL's spam filter trips on things like sending rate. So if MoveOn sends too many messages too fast they will get themselves blocked. It is just AOL spam filter and in no way their political leaning. People shouldn't overreact.
- Trueblood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wow, MoveOn supporters throwing a childish temper tantrum over nothing, what are the odds.
Dick Cheney must have contacted AOL and told them to suppress the truth. - mc1123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Who still uses AOL?
I thought people would wise up by now. Their "covered garden" is full of pricker bushes and gaudy UI's. - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's not so much AOL doling out taxes as it is just a word to mean charging for "stamps".
If they want to do that, let them... use the power of the market. Get free email and AOL will continue to wither and die.
@TheReport - ?. I already have thousands of dollars, I should just kinda chill out now that I have made it? America is all about greed! - johndi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I didn't know anyone was so far left ole Teddy looked right wing. Wonder what they say about true right wingers Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter? Does that make Michael Moore an anorexic centrist?
- starmanjones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4well..... let me say this about that. those of us that remember the internet before AOL... remember when you could actually trust what you found on the net. everyone was high functioning and privileged. over night it became the cesspool we call the internet today.
that is all. - sometemple, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4yeah, but moveon's emails are solicited. people sign up to be on that list. i'm sure the last time aol sent out a million "get AIM now" emails to their members the spam filters didn't block them!
- Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I'd be more impressed with this article if (a) it wasn't old news (b) MoveOn.org was actually an AOL reform group (as opposed to a political organization known for aggressive tactics) and (c) the poster knew the definition of "digressed".
Here's a hint - it doesn't mean "changed their minds". - G-RaZoR, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6AOL has not lost their credibility because some random rights group had there newsletter blocked. This always happens with email providers. Newsletters are bulk mail. SPAM is bulk mail. Therefore newsletters can be considered SPAM some times. Has AOL blocked newsletters before? Sure. GMAIL has as well. AOL has a hardcore spam filter because of their wide range of members. The SPAM filter blocked it, and they apoligized. Move on MoveOn.org .
My 2 cents, man. - rackbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No kidding, I've run into this AOL block-without-bounce before, also using standard opt-in newsletters. It was a pain, but after doing some research and fixing the headers the way AOL likes them, the problem went away. Wish I'd known it was just Red-Handed Censorship all along -- it would've saved me the effort of troubleshooting.
- HarryBauzonia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Censoring???
Hardly.....and the site is a bunch of crap posted by various bloggers.
Move.org is a petition group against AOL???
And you're a damned liar.
Reported as inaccurate. - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If they had paid $0.005 per email would it have gone through?
;) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't think blocking a monthly MoveOn.org whine newsletter is going to damage the credibility of AOL. They have already done that themselves.
- martindale, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3AOL is simply repeating a long track record. Somewhat like Hotmail automatically blocking Gmail invites back in the day.
I do like the approach of "Friends don't let friends use AOL." - sheasie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3THIS IS ALL *****!
I have run an "opt-in" newsletter for years. AOL has been blocking me for YEARS! (and yes, without any bounce.) it's part of their SPAM prevention program. they are not "censoring". that is absurd. MoveOn got caught spamming!! (AOL still does suck.) - MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"AOL Caught Red Handed Censoring Email - Credibility Gone"
You can't lose what you don't have. - m3tallicAm4n666, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7You realize the majority of people don't care if AOL censors mail? Personally, I do care, cause censorship is moving to the internet... but yeah.
"Oh, it must be only for bad stuff if they're censoring it..." - kiwiboyus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4AOL's new security software targeted the remote access software my company provides and it took weeks to get them to white list us, interestingly they just started pushing their own similar service at the same time they were screwing ours. Their tech support sucks and lied saying it was somehow our fault and told their customers to call us.
AOL are bastards. - johndi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4When did AOL have credibility?
- theblooms, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3MoveOn. Yeah. AOL. Yeah.
Do you seriously expect any less from either? - RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Actually, it's the third time.
xENo:
"Dupe on calling dupe.
Next time, just shut up and move on with your life. Thank you."
Dupe on "thinks-he-is-Momma-digg" attitude. Your attempt to regulate people who are attempting to regulate digg makes you even lamer than the person who started it.
Of course, now I'm trying to regulate you. I must now do the only thing that I can in order to retain my honor... and take my own life. I hope you are happy, xENo! - babo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2[Posted under wrong digg story-- Browser glitch]
- Izzie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2AOL has never been credible to me anyways.
- Otto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yep. I don't care if AOL censors email, because:
a) I don't use AOL, and
b) I don't speak to people who do use AOL.
In case I ever find that I do want to communicate with somebody that uses AOL, then I get them away from it as fast as possible. Had to do that a few times. - monolith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1uhmmm... wouldn't twit and lots of other podcasts be next to impossible without AOL? I don't much like them either... but somebody there has done some good. Even if by accident... they did keep Mozilla alive for a while when it really needed it.
- mikelesq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OK, so an ISP's autofilters blocked email that contained a link that was a variant of the ISP's own name. Which is exactly how phishers trick people into clicking on a link in an email and giving out their credit card number ("We need updated account information! Click HERE!"). Stupid people? Perhaps, but still. What decent filter wouldn't flag it? If Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, etc. don't filter by the same criteria, they're stupid. If filters prevent phishing, I'll take the chance of missing a message, especially a message that was a bulk email to begin with.
- cooltom2006, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1LOL! Did you also know that AOL ownes aolstinks.com:
http://whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=aolstinks.com - sdfisher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Indeed. It didn't take much effort to prove to myself that moveon is, in fact, a spammer. Even if this one list is "optin" (and even that term reeks of a spammer trying to lie his way out of something), it certainly isn't their entire existence.
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