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- shadcrkd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+100I can't wait for the AMDATI Athlon 64-Bit X2-4200 RadeonEdition X1900XTX.
- vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26i wish they merged with Nvidia instead... : ( nForce mobos are the cat's pajamas.
- aogail, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27I don't see how this could be considered good for competition (i.e., good for the consumer). It just means that ATI graphics products will almost certainly work better when coupled with AMD chipsets. While this will give AMD an extra competitive edge against Intel, I would much rather be able to decide between CPU vendors and GPU vendors separately.
- blueblood, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24the thing im worried about is that it could lead to less flexablity on ATI's part
- DCstewieG, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23So if the exact same tech beared the AMD name instead of ATI, you would consider buying it? Wow, for someone who puts so much in a name, you should get a better one.
- zweben, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20I wonder if this is good or bad for innovation? I guess i'll wait and see.
- Ub3rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18You seem to forget that ATi produces Nintendo's GPU as well. They aren't gunning for one console, they're looking at 2. ATi also produces a lot of chips that end up in set top boxes for cable and satellite. I think AMD was looking more to beat Intel to the living room rather than to dominate your PC.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19VESA, not visa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_Local_Bus
This is the visa bus:
http://www.cgspremier.com/images/images/visa_bus_jpg.jpg
See the difference? :p - gwalbridge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15You're going to let the name alone potentially drive you to another chipmaker?
Bummer. - KJay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I'm sure each company will keep their respective name.
- ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17What about a AMDATI QUAD core.... dual core processing unit and dual GPUs crossfire in the same die...
Edit: With liquid nitrogen cooling. - absoluteczech, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15quick question, does this mean the end of nforce chipsets on mobo's that are for amd cpu's??
- TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I'll be dead honest with you...
Today a few things are true for me...
- I use my computer alot more these days for torrents and internet usage
- I play more games on the console nowadays because it's guaranteed to work, no more lag , or being close to the requirements etc etc
- The cost of power is going up, during the summer in MD I use the AC alot, mainly because my rig outputs soo much heat, so the fewer components inside of my machine...the better
...so in reality I'd much rather have a dedicated gaming machine and a dedicated computer, I'm not planning on buying a dedicated video card for my next machine, just a high-end on-board solution....so bring on the on board stuff!!
I never though I'd say this but I'm looking for more dedicated devices and less jumbled together devices. - venir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13AMD purchased ATI for $4.2 Billion in cash and $1.2 Billion in AMD stock for a total of 5., but AMD will add ATI employees to its Board and integrate the company.
- ReaperUnreal, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Because NVIDIA is too expensive to buy.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14What happens when you actually want to upgrade your floating point unit?
You have to buy a whole new processor with integrated FPU?! That's it, these new processors... what did you call them? "Pentiums"? They'll never sell! Integrated floating point is a terrible idea! - InvisionUK, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18Okay enough with the nVidiots now please. I GET IT. You don't like ATi.
They both have their good and bad points, just leave it at that. It could be worse, they could have bought Matrox. - teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I doubt they will dump support for nvidia cards, how could they unless they made their own standard and dumped AGP/PCI-E?
If they did they would lose sales because not everyone that wants AMD wants ATI. - drag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"I'm actually curious as to why people think AMD will suddenly make ATi all shiny and holy."
Not 'shiny and holy', just make it easier for Free software developers to support ATI's cards. We already have full 3d support for _most_ ati cards from the old ATI 7000 series to PCI x800 r480 cards. The developers just need help filling out the blanks and getting extra features enabled.
AMD has always had a very strong positive relationship with Linux developers. It's been very mutual benificial. They've been open about their chipsets and their cpus. Tyan boards using AMD chipsets have even been able to have their BIOS removed and replaced with linuxbios in some cases which makes for much faster booting times and better hardware management.
AMD provided Suse with cpu emulators and specs for their AMD64/Opteron proccessors and worked with the kernel developers to make sure that AMD had a 64bit ready server operating system aviable for their new cpus when they hit market.
This helped AMD a lot with getting their cpus popular for servers and this helped linux developers because it made it easier for them to have good AMD64 support with good driver support.
ATI in the past had good driver support for Linux, but that went to ***** suspiciously right around the same time they won the contract for the GPU in xbox360 (years ago). That was about the same time they released the r300 series cards. After that it was propriatory only drivers. Originally only for FireGL workstation class cards, but later extended to support consumer-level cards.
It is hoped that AMD's good linux support will rub back off on ATI and cause them to start supporting Linux properly again with open source drivers. Intel does that pretty well with their video cards. They do a good job supporting linux with their onboard stuff.
So AMD has good standing with Linux developers and Intel is a cpu company that does help out with decent open source drivers. So maybe all that will rub off on ATI.
Of course it could end up the other way around. ATI has a lot of propriatory IP and a lot of stuff on their cards that don't nessicarially belong to them. It could cause AMD to start to close off more.
Personally I expect that this merger is because mobile computing is outselling desktop nowadays and this is a market were AMD is struggling. Probably by buying ATI they can produce tightly integrated chipsets with onboard GPUs for their CPUs and should offer better performance, much better battery power consumption, and better power management features then what hardware currently using AMD mobile cpus can offer. - kunjan1029, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15yup i just hope this gives ATi's linux drivers a boost!
- ReaperUnreal, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Think of it this way, having a DSP or graphics co-processor on the same die would be a huge improvement in performance. No need for a physics card, the DSP will have an integrator, H.264 will be loads faster. Let's not forget the largest video-card segment that Intel is dominating, that's the integrated market. With an ATI card built into the CPU that would give built-in performance a massive boost. What would you rather have, an Intel Media Accelerator 950 or an ATI X1300? I for one, would rather have the ATI card.
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Does anyone know what the name of the new company will after the merger? Is it just AMD?
I wonder if AMD will open source their drivers. That would make Linux graphics acceleration really nice. - kubudubudubuntu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@airmann90: Intel does not need to buy nVIDIA, they already got it now that they left ATI.
And they got an apple too. - comrademikhail, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Not really. Just because they mergered doesn't mean you couldn't use nVidia/AMD or ATi/Intel. There's still going to be the nice PCI Express slot there for a video card. All the talk about the integrated GPU/CPU is just pure speculation. Also, when has ATi ever been behind nVidia?? If they want to stay in the market they'll both release new cards each year.. as they have been.
Oh, and just because the GPU is integrated on the die doesn't nessecarily mean you have to use it. Think about it like the mobos with integrated graphics on them right now. You can still add a new video card using the PCI-Express/AGP slot. I'd imagine it'd with the same with a GPU/CPU integration.
I hardly think this is going to limit the choices of a user to AMD/ATi or Intel nVidia. - neggbird, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I'm still not clear about this, is this an AMD takeover of ATi or is this a merger of the two companies?
- postal21, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Ive purchased a few AMD cpus... but never any ATI video-cards.
Nvidia had that little "slouch" where their cards were inferior during the 5900 series... but before and since then they have really always been at the top... I really hope AMD doesnt dump support for Nvidia cards or make their CPUs more dependant on having an ATI-based video card for performance as opposed to just any video card. - HighTechGeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8According to the FAQ on ATI, the name will be AMD:
http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/about/faq.html
Q4: What will the combined company operate as?
A4: The combined company will operate as AMD. - soapboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I would say it depends on how nVidia reacts to the news. Some would say the deal is a betrayal to nVidia's longstanding cooperation with AMD. Others say it's no big deal and unless they merge with Intel that their chipsets will still be made.
It is hard to guage whether or not this is a threat to nVidia or not. AMD processors still work on any AMD socket-compatible board, but who knows if they will make "special enhancements" to their chips if the end user goes with an ATi GPU.
I can say I am disappointed, but I will be building the gaming PC I had planned much quicker so I can safely secure a board with nForce 500/550. The future is cloudy.... - teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13ATI sucked back in the day but alot has changed since they. They make much better graphics cards them nvidia does...i should know i run a 7800 GTX in SLI and it gets spanked by a single x1900xtx... for half the price to boot!
- Griffology, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_14197_14198,00.html
- TheG2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Oh come on people.
Seriously, people around here have loved AMD for years, now suddenly they decide to expand their market and the rampant speculation is nVidia is going to be force out of the market by AMD. Thats stupid, AMD will of course try to engineer their own cards to be slightly faster, but I doubt they'd cut out half the market on their boards.
All this means is that you might have a performance boost if you pair the two brands together, you still have freedom of choice. - invader, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11theoretically, it should be very good.. better integration, and it should stimulate more competition
- vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5i will stick with Nvidia unless there are some major changes.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The Linux Penguins, we can't disappoint the Linux Penguins.
AMD + Better ATI Graphics Drivers for Linux + XGL/COMPIZ = Holy *****... Super Piones - nedzalife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5perhaps it is considering Intel has cancelled ATI's chipset license for Intel CPUs and are going it alone to provide Crossfire support on their 975 chipset
- nTensify, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5No. It's WAAAAAAAAAAY too early for AMD to think about merging their products, and we won't likely see any true show and tell of their technology merging until sometime in late 2007, with it becoming available to consumers around 2008.
- InvisionUK, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I'm actually curious as to why people think AMD will suddenly make ATi all shiny and holy.
"Oh I really hope AMD open source the drivers" and "Maybe they'll provide decent Linux drivers now"
As someone said in the last front page article, there is no motivation for a sudden turnaround on this.
I know they will still be called AMD and ATI too, but you have to admit, "Amdati" is actually a rather cool name. - jmnormand, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i think this will be great for laptops but could go either way for desktops. just a question of how intel and nvidia react.
- Langford, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6They really stand to gain an edge on physics related bragging rights.
- InvisionUK, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8What on earth is a Visa bus? I didn't know they accepted credit cards on public transport yet..
¬_¬ - M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4ATI n AMD = DAAMnIT!
- burnt1ce85, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I live 10 mins away from ATI's headquarters. Oops i mean AMD!
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think it depends on whether AMD really has betrayed Nvidia, or if they will continue to support Nvidia as they have in the past. AMD wins if they have everyone developing for their standards over Intel's.
- fjc8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm sorry your experiences sucked many years ago. Packard Bell still exists, in Europe, and they appear to be successful. They are wholly owned by NEC. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packard_Bell
Would I buy a Packard Bell system today? Of course, if their support and quality meets expectations and they had a competitively priced product. In a market full of ODMs that actually make the hardware based on reference designs/chipsets made by a few companies, why ignore one company's products and potentially waste money because of bad experiences from years ago? - ieatrocks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Exactly where I'm at.
My AMD/7800gtx rig is far from outdated, it runs Oblivion in 1920x1200. But with the 360 also here... it's a compelling argument to just ditch the desktop in favor of a capable laptop. - grendelwraith, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Or he could mean ISA.
I think I just threw up a little in my mouth remembering ISA cards. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Now we know what they meant when they said "4x4". Quad core CPU, Quad core GPU.
- digitalgopher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's a common phenomenon on wall street when the acquirer suffers a price decline while the target gets a price bump. without getting too heavy into the details, it's because typically the acquirer has to pay a premium over the stock price of the target (or the private valuation if the company is private), which means they're paying more for something than it's inherent value. Plus existing shareholders face dilution etc, if the purchase is made for stock. there's a lot more to it, but that's the essence.
- lateralus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is where SiS makes a real push to join the mainsteram!
Long live 32MB onboard video! - nedzalife, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I wouldn't be so sure in jumping to this conclusion. Remember that one of the major technologies going into DX10 is the ability to have the Shader Model, Pixel Shader, and other DX9 processes directly integrated into the GPU's API call. Instead of having a separate instruction set for each, it's one integrated call. Now imagine if that integrated call is also apart of your CPU, taking away any communication lag between the GPU and CPU (not that there is much of one now, but still). The possibilities are quite... intriguing.
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