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- Quikster, on 10/12/2007, -21/+20309 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 BD
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09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C3 - spalVl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+62Talk about bad timing to push DRM initiates on consumers. Techs have always know the harm caused by DRM.
-Then in 2007 Gates, Jobs, and the GPLv3 all spotlight how DRM is harmful to consumers and the technology industry.
-Consumers get to see the real chilling effects of DRM with death of the VCR and rise of DVR while struggling to get content to portable media devices which SHOULD be a simple task.
-EMI's choice to drop DRM with ITMS, and publicize it.
-Zune's wireless DRM failure
-Both the major HD optical disc DRM schemes circumvented at some point in 2007
Does the media industry need to be reminded they are attacking their own customers?
I personally was not fighting against Digg the other day, I was fighting against AACS LA trying to destroy information. - darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37The AACS LA needs to focus more on the big picture here and less on the hex code itself - even with the code out in the open the vast majority of people can't do anything with it due to the lack of technical expertise. With out a decent amount of skill at programming and knowledge of the algorithm to decrypt the contents of the HD DVD the code is still inherently useless outside of a rallying flag for people against DRM.
- JOjimBO, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36I love that we tens of thousands of consumers are considered nothing more than vandals to these asshats.
Information is not controllable the way it used to be and this form of swatting at the wasp nest that is freedom of information does nothing to aid their cause. I can understand that they want to keep proprietary information secret....but a leak is nothing more then insufficient security problems on their part.
I truly find it amazing that corporations are arrogant enough to believe that the toothpaste can be shoved back into the tube. - kahrn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25[insert getting laid joke here] [citation needed]
- directedition, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24DeCSS was source code that actually did something. The AACS hex code is useless without a context.
- willemmulder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22He copied from quikster's reply I guess...
Trying to be cool with something he doesn't know anything about... His life must suck... - spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24Who said anything about piracy? This battle is over posting a string of hexadecimal characters on websites. Those characters might potentially be used for piracy, but the same is true of the number 4 and the letter W. Shall we ban those too?
What about companies who make computer monitors? Chair manufacturers? Optometry offices? Those are all related watching pirated movies!
p.s., MisterFlaut, say it don't spray it. You can convey your message without being aggressive. - gharding, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24Enjoy: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=123282
- Bleachers7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21This has nothing to do with paying for products or the ability to use the key. This is about the idea that something like a string of text can be removed from the Internet. It cannot be removed, so let's not pretend.
- tvh2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Dude, you didn't even get the key right.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19I think they're just pissed because they have absolutely no case whatsoever :)
The key by itself is useless without the ripper, and the ripper is useless without the key.
By themselves, they're perfectly legal.
Sorry, but if I wanna back-up media that *I* own, I will - and really, I don't give a ***** about what any law says. My law states that what I purchase is mine, and I will do with it whatever I please. If you wanna refund my money, then we'll talk. But till then, don't worry about what I do with my own stuff, and STFU about any hypothetical situations that your stupid asses concoct.
So what now? - lordthor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23"If the local neighborhood gang is throwing rocks at your house, some people might tell you not to call the police because they will just throw bigger rocks,"
Worst. Analogy. Ever. - gamebittk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Highlite of article:
"The AACS LA has missed the lesson of DeCSS: the Internet holds no secrets. While one might sympathize with their predicament, the larger lesson to be learned here is that security based on secrets is truly no more secure than any other form of security. Once that secret is out, it's game over. The more you try to stop that secret from spreading, the more likely it is to spread. The more coveted that secret is, the worse it gets." - firekrakcer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19OH NOES!!! THEY ARE THROWING ROCKS AT MY HOUSE!
Poor Ayers, he will never realize that by his actions he caused a couple pebbles to become a hail storm. - Bleachers7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16DRM is dead. It was dead before it was invented. People will create these DRM methods and other people will crack them. This will never end.
- m2bord, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17the problem is that you have dinosaurs in the distribution channels still trying to eek out a living by coercing paying consumers into buying multiple copies of the same piece of media. their dream was for you to purchase a cd for your home, one for your car, and downloads for your portable music device. the problem is the market.
one thing that the internet has been very good at is killing off the middleman and that's what's happening here. these industries need to quit trying to protect their failed distribution channels and start looking ahead at the next point that they can intersect technology and make themselves relevant again. otherwise...they are going to be joining the dinosaurs. - Beakerz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16AACS = broken
Doom9 = Loved by all - kefler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Begun, the 32-character hexadecimal war has.
- Pimpalicious316, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21i care deeply that you logged off digg, i really do.
- Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I just like making backup copies of my own movies, seriously. Why do I get punished for that again?
- schoate09, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14***** the AACS LA.
- Navicerts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Yeah, and his police comment..... Did anyone tell him the internet is actually global, not just in the US?
- trer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Unfortunately, you make too much sense to be taken seriously. The dinosaurs will keep on with their failed distribution cycles.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10...and if I do, that's not really any of your concern now, is it?
I love some of the logic you people have.
How about we take away your computer since, you know, you COULD rip a DVD or download music.
Hell, let's just take away the internet. Without it, we wouldn't have the key to decrypt the content stream. It would solve the world's piracy problems and we'll all be able to sleep at night! - Thorox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@kefler
Dugg for relevant Star Wars reference!
When you have children in your house, and have to buy the same movies OVER and OVER due to misuse, abuse, and broken media... you WILL hate DRM. I personally like to make a copy to USE and store the original, case and media, in a safe place so that I will have it to cherish over the decades... as it was meant to be. - NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Ok, let's extend the rock-throwing metaphor.
First, let's define our house. Let's say it's got BIG windows on every side, but it's got a 50 foot wall around it 100 yards out on every side.
Next, let's define our troublemakers. These are guys who approached the wall and figured out how to climb over it. They can now take their rocks, get in range, and break the windows.
And finally, the consumers. These are the people who approach the wall and look at the 50 feet and know that they can't make it over that wall without a lot of practice.
Now, take one of the troublemakers. He tells the consumers that he needs the rock to break the windows. A lot of consumers will say, "But I don't want to break the windows. If I follow the rules, they'll let me into the house anyway. Sure, it'll be on their own terms, but at least I won't have broken the windows."
Some consumers will say, "I don't want to break the windows, but I already tried to get in and they won't let me. So I guess I have to break the windows. But I can't get over this wall."
Some consumers will say, "I want to break those windows, but I can't figure out how to get over this wall!"
The first group of consumers will forget about the rock, drop it on the ground and leave. The second and third groups of consumers will have the rock, but not be able to do anything with it. The troublemakers will tell them just to throw it at the house, and it sounds so simple to them, but really they'll be lucky to get the rock over the wall, let alone the extra 100 yards to the house. What they really need is one of the troublemakers to drop a rope and help the people over the wall in order for them to effectively get to the house. Once the rope is there, the wall is useless. Then the guy will call the cops, the cops will come and cut the rope down, and in response the owner of the house builds the wall higher and farther out. But the troublemakers come back, figure out how to get over the wall again, and drop another rope.
Now, obviously the major flaw with this metaphor is the comparison to vandals. After all, those people who want to break the windows because they weren't let in aren't really doing anything as wrong as breaking windows. They're the ones who want to play their movies on a Linux box, or on their iPod, or in some other way that would require decryption that was not approved by AACS but should be entirely legal under fair use.
Those people who want to break the windows to get something for free are probably the smallest group and have been pirating since the days of VHS, Video Disc, and even the Commodore 64.
And the first group of people, the regular consumers who just want to watch a movie and don't care about the rest, most of them wouldn't even consider doing anything like piracy or place-shifting in the first place.
These guys have really got their heads on backward. - gharding, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9A lot of people can't do much with the DeCSS code either. Which is why people have written software to decrypt HD-DVDs. It's out there currently. Anybody can go out and download it.
- zex18ro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9make the product WORK LIKE IT SHOULD and we would buy their crapp.
the poor guy couldnt watch it on his equipment... - badken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Dear AACS LA,
You are fighting YOUR CUSTOMERS.
Get a ***** clue.
Sincerely,
A Disgruntled Customer - timtastic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@darkstar: What do you mean by "focus more on the big picture"? It seems to me the AACS LA has two options: 1) sue and get money 2) don't sue and don't get money. Which one would you pick?
The AACS LA only exists to license and enforce a DRM system. They have no other goal. They will survive as long as the law provides. What do you suggest they do? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7AACS vs. DeCSS
Let's get readyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to rumblllllllllllllllllllllllle.
Oh whoops, that's copyrighted too.
Good thing I really don't give two ***** about copyright law :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9"Won't even point out the irony there."
Haha, do you even know what irony means? You sound like one of those 12 year olds. Considering you're automatically assuming people will be using this to steal when there are just as many legitimate uses (fair use being one), just shows that your logic is around the 12 year old level.
But you really don't have any right telling people what they can or cannot do. I'm not sure why you're going way off topic and trying to justify what you posted. - spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"AACS, meet DeCSS. DeCSS, meet your latest imitator."
Where's Emmanuel Goldstein on this issue? 2600 should kick big media's ass yet again! - maximusGeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"it's now 2007, and the writing is on the wall: DRM is a failed idea, and a waste of time and money" Great line
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5DRM is harmful and kills Penguins.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16Uh... right. You don't seem too smart, so I'll spell it out for you.
If people rip a DVD, it doesn't affect you. So shut the ***** up about it, and get off your moral crusade about trying to tell people otherwise. It's none of your business what people do with the items they paid for.
No one said anything about "stealing" anything. There's something called Fair Use rights that we have. You aren't familiar with them because you're too busy shoving your head up your ass.
The community members were responsible in this case: protecting their right to do whatever they want with the items they own. Not all of us are brain dead and complacent.
Got it? Now get the ***** out. - Cerebral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Actually they (meaning lawyers for defenses against AACS LA) should use this guy's own quote against him: "A line is crossed when we start seeing keys being distributed and tools for circumvention. You step outside of the realm of protected free speech then."
Well this was only the key and since his logic says that the line is crossed once you start seeing keys AND tools then as long as both are not posted in the same place then there has been no line crossed in his eyes. - dracflamloc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Uh, isnt it more like AACS meet CSS, CSS meet your latest imitator?
How exactly does AACS imitate DeCSS? Should be 'Some Certain Integer, meet DeCSS.' - benlindelof, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The RIAA is joining the 21st century kicking and screaming.
It's getting old. RIAA = BRAT - darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well, they do say that anything that is digitally encrypted will be broken (eventually) and computer that is connected to the internet can be cracked (eventually). Crackers like a challenge and the AACS just went and made a nice little challenge for them - and seemed to have forgotten that even at the most fundamental level the key has to be loaded into memory somewhere before the decryption of the disk can begin for playback.
- cherrick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hold on a minute. If the decryption key itself is a circumvention device, then all legitimate players are circumvention devices, all retailers are selling circumvention devices, and the AACS LA is creating circumvention devices. That's an awfully nice hold he just dug himself into.
- jordan314, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"The more coveted that secret is, the worse it gets."
Why the heck isn't the coke recipe out on the net yet? - RedHerringHack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4They lost before they even started fighting.
- specialK16, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Someone will find another code soon.
- willemmulder, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Tvh2k:
If you try to be cool to say what 'shouldnt be said', and try to jump on quicksilvers jokewagon, then you suck. big time.
If you mean it as a joke that BG doesn't even exist in HEX, then you're funny.
I don't know. No digg up, no digg down. - actionjackson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3possession of information is not tantamount to commission of a criminal act or intent to commit a criminal act! why don't these ***** focus more on making products that are actually worth paying for, rather than persecuting the population for having knowledge?
- darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@timtastic - The big picture is the sheer number of people that are spreading the code and in a way stating their displeasure with DRM. Also, the bigger picture is the algorithm used to decrypt the HD DVD - as others have noted, the code is worthless with out a key, and even if you know a key is worthless if you don't know the context to apply it to.
- spalVl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Honestly it is a stupid tactic for the AACS-LA to attempt to fight back at this point. What happened the other day resounded pretty damn loudly among the tech community. It even made news in the mainstream media, the world has changed, information to the masses doesn't just come from 3 major networks anymore. It comes from 3 major networks, specialty news networks, blogs, forums, and peer special interest groups. If they continue to pursue this issue there is a real danger that consumers may wake up to the real problems that the DMCA and patent systems allow this type of monopolist behavior to occur.
Buy hey if the AACS-LA wants to start a propaganda war about how DRM helps consumers, go for it. Just check your closet on DRM's purposes to "help" consumers. - rhyss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's time for a boycot.
http://www.digg.com/political_opinion/BOYCOTT_BOYCOTT_BOYCOTT -
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