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- staxofmax, on 06/27/2008, -0/+65Good benefits, flexible work hours, opportunities for advancement, friendly bosses, and a friendly work environment sound like job perks that would appeal to everybody working in a corporate environment, not just generation Y. What is the point of this article?
- doshindude, on 06/28/2008, -0/+26So, when do you think these articles will stop popping up? This "Gen _" stuff is almost as annoying as "Web 2.0"
- inactive, on 06/27/2008, -5/+20The day I hire an Emu will be a sad day indeed... oh, wait Emo, sorry.
- Louis11, on 06/28/2008, -9/+24You sound like a whiney little bitch . . .
- clonek, on 06/27/2008, -3/+18A comfortable, relaxing enviroment is at the top of my list. Working in a place where everything is a different shade of beige just makes me sad :(
- geodebug, on 06/28/2008, -4/+18I'd be embarrassed if I was a gen-Y to be described by this article.
"Millennials are willing to work hard, but when it comes to moving up the ranks, they want to do so quickly..."
Oh dear me. Why don't I just hire them to be my manager?
I'll take the fact that business changes through time but you still have to bring a lot to the table before you demand anything. Is the job market that good? - Rioracer916, on 06/28/2008, -1/+14Older digg posters/ trolls: "The newer generations will always be the downfall of man kind. "
It's an ignorant mentality, considering how selfish the baby boomers where, which is why the US is in the financial and political mess it is currently.
Ever consider that generations are the product of their fore-bearers? Ergo you can't look at things from a simplistic us versus them view, but a more holistic approach.
And yeah, I just quit a job because I was working 60-70 hours a week (sometimes weekends) with no overtime and a horrible commute. My effective hourly wage was less than the national minimum wage. It's not spoiled to want to have some type of work life balance in your life. Most of those items in the list are items that ANY generation would like to have in a job. - luchid, on 06/28/2008, -10/+23Settle down, grandpa.
- Aadain, on 06/28/2008, -1/+12I think the point is that Gen-Y actually expects those perks and is willing to wait for the boomers to retire/die off to get them. Previous generations didn't have that option and had to make due.
- MrSketch, on 06/28/2008, -1/+11For the most part, I agree with all the ideas in general, not just specific to Gen-Y. The one that I strongly disagree with is "#3: Narrow the rungs of the corporate ladder. Millennials are willing to work hard, but when it comes to moving up the ranks, they want to do so quickly." After all, who doesn't want to move up quickly, the problem is that has to be earned, not given just because you worked there for a few years.
The very next sentence says "According to the study, 51% of Millennials surveyed believe professionals entering the workforce should have to spend only one to two years proving themselves in entry-level positions." One or two years to prove yourself? I guess it depends on your job, but I read that as saying "51% are delusional." Sometimes, it can easily take up to 5 years or sometimes even 10 to show that you're ready for a promotion.
I just don't think they should make concessions in promotions and corporate structure just to accommodate people who are just anxious to get promoted, because who isn't anxious for a promotion? - inactive, on 06/27/2008, -4/+13Them fire them a week later, and say "Psyche!" They will not know what that means.
- lokee73, on 06/27/2008, -32/+41Oh ***** Gen-Y.
These whiney little bitches need a dose of reality to kick them in the ass. - andreusboy, on 06/28/2008, -0/+9Boomers ***** everything up. They gobbled all the wealth and made sure there were no benefits left, more work for less pay and stall innovation in order to keep their niche.
- CrushThemTorg, on 06/28/2008, -4/+12I'm going to murder someone over 40 every time I see the world "millenial."
- swiftheart, on 06/28/2008, -0/+8There is by all means a commonly held belief by the Millenials that they can do anything, so why can't they be allowed/encouraged to do so?
But a few other things are in play. The first thing is that previous generations more or less expected/desired to work for the same company for their working careers, so there really wasn't much expectation regarding high speed promotion.
Millenials don't want to and certainly don't expect to work at the same company, or even in the same profession, for all that long. (It's part of wanting variety, but it's also the realization that companies aren't particularly loyal to their employees.) So if you don't see yourself at a company all that long, you need/want the resume which will allow you to move around. And the only thing that will keep you from moving around will be getting promoted quickly.
This is a group of people who are accustomed to the idea that there are jobs which existed 3 years ago which don't exist anymore. The speed of change is very fast, job-hopping is the norm, new skills are added daily, people move around quickly. - Pishposh30, on 06/28/2008, -3/+11Ya, keep living with your parents while you wait for all those things to happen.
- KingGorilla, on 06/28/2008, -1/+8You mean treat them like humans? That's insane!
- Solstice, on 06/28/2008, -3/+10It's not going to matter whether or not you make your company Gen-Y friendly pretty soon. Like their parents before them, they're just going to be happy to have a job if the layoffs continue.
- BaronSamedi242, on 06/28/2008, -1/+8Actually, galaxylander, when him and I were applying for work we were told to ***** off, there was no work, and how dare we try and even approach their precious jobs.
We succeeded IN SPITE of them.
So reading that they're now trying to figure out how to suck up to you and beg you to work there is kind of anger-inducing.
Noone ever wrote any article on catering to my whims and caprices, they simply told me that it was a recession and to go it my own way.
You don't realise how spoiled a bunch you are, and you have the arrogance and mouth not backed up by your balls. THAT you will realise a decade from now - JUST LIKE WE DID. - jks139, on 06/27/2008, -5/+11Hire them!
- Tatsumaki, on 06/28/2008, -2/+8Punish the kids, spoil the grandkids.
- Rioracer916, on 06/28/2008, -1/+7It will never fly! Human capital is no different than stocks, bonds, and widgets. Bah humbug!
- loopyloopy, on 06/28/2008, -4/+10more and more i see why Gen X is called 'Gen X'. the generation in between that nobody really cared about. where was the love when we were entering the work force??
- Narthex81, on 06/28/2008, -3/+9Hrm... I'm 27 and I don't consider myself to be Generation Y. I always considered myself to be part of the Boomerang Generation (or MTV Generation) that was born between 1975 and 1984. Well, I guess that's in between Gen-X and Gen-Y so I could go either way. What I'm trying to say is: I don't want to be lumped in with a generation that is constantly seeking praise, instant gratification and feels they're entitled to whatever they want. Although, good benefits would be nice...
- p51d007, on 06/28/2008, -17/+23Amen!
I've said NO to too many Gen-Y types, coming in with NO experience, expecting too
much in salary with NO experience, wanting 4 day work week, too many perks.
Go work in a 7-11 if you think you are that damn special. They can't spell, can't
speak properly without the damn "dude" or some other crap. Boy, are some of these spoiled brats going to be in for a shock. - lohphat, on 06/28/2008, -6/+12Why would I want to hire an inexperienced douchbag with an over-inflated sense of entitlement from the precious snowflake generation in the first place?
/lawn, off - dystra, on 06/28/2008, -1/+6I'm gen-y and i am embarrassed, specifically with the quote you pointed out. it's pretty much saying we want something for nothing. Thinking like that is bad for a company and a country.
- rowjimmy, on 06/28/2008, -0/+5actually, it's even easier to exploit, being a self-renewing resource and all
- MelvinSchlubman, on 06/28/2008, -2/+7No, geodebug was objecting (at least I was) to the sense of entitlement that the article ascribes to Millennials. They supposedly (according to TFA) expect rapid advancement. And I'd like to eat lots of cake without getting fat...
- Firehed, on 06/28/2008, -8/+13Sorry to break it to you, but reality changed. You can go back to working a ***** job in the steel mill with long hours for low pay; I, meanwhile, will bitch at my boss as necessary until things get shaken up (which does work in non-crap companies), while growing my own business out of my true passions on the side. And yes, I do this (successfully, I might add), so let's save the nonsensical rants for the type that expect changes from online petitions.
If you think reality means long hours for bad benefits and no recognition, I don't expect we'd get along too well in any sort of professional setting. - Firehed, on 06/28/2008, -1/+6True, most of them aren't that good (but that applies just as much to Gen-X). But if you find the ones that ARE good, you should do anything in your power to hang on to them. Unfortunately for companies seeking IT talent, most are starting their own ventures. Even more unfortunately, they falter due to hiring and then keeping lackluster programmers because it's either the best they can get or they're too cheap to pay for someone worth the money.
- MoneyShot, on 06/28/2008, -2/+7To sell advertising. You read it? Mission accomplished.
- pradaaddict, on 06/28/2008, -3/+8Hmm well from my own experience i can say that what I'm looking for in a work environment is a high degree of autonomy, i want to be able to accomplish what is set before me without management getting in my face about dumb *****. Call me out if I'm wrong, if i'm not wrong then just send me an email. I also want opportunity for fast advancement up the corporate ladder, if no such opportunity presents itself within two years then i'm going to leave and take all my talent with me.
I'm not going to grow your business without seeing a decent return for myself as well. - synik, on 06/28/2008, -1/+6There are reasons GenY expect quick promotions and decent conditions.
Firstly corporations have no loyalty to their staff. They will happily move thousands of jobs to India at the drop of a hat. GenY shows the same amount of loyalty back. Companies are there to be squeezed for as much as I can get. If I can get more pay elsewhere, I'll happy jump ship.
Secondly, the cost of housing (at least in Australia) is waaaay up. To get a crappy 2 bedroom house within 1 hour of the CBD costs $450,000. To stand any chance of affording my own home, I need a decent pay cheque. My parents had it easy... houses were much cheaper compared to income.
Personally, I've had a promotion every year since I entered the work force (I'm 26 now), along with a pay increase of about $10k per year. I'm happy to take advantage of the labor shortage by demanding higher pay. It's not my fault GenX are too stupid to do the same thing. - andreusboy, on 06/28/2008, -1/+5Took the words right out of me.
- Hincapie, on 06/28/2008, -2/+6my problem seems to be GETTING a job
- SaintStryfe, on 06/28/2008, -0/+4I was born in mid '81, so I'm on the cusp between the very late Gen X'ers and the very early Gen Y's... I hate it. I can be pigeonholed as one of the last slackers of Gen X, or the first whiners of Gen Y, either way by old, incompetent managers who didn't want to hire me in the first place!
- antonio97b, on 06/28/2008, -3/+7Eh? I think he got mad when he unsucessfuly tried to knock the tuna from my hand and I threw it and hit him square in the chin with it splashing tuna water in his face.
Your trolling is poor. - bradleyland, on 06/28/2008, -7/+10Prediction: Gen Y is in for a rude awakening.
- Bloodwine, on 06/28/2008, -1/+4Maybe the Boomer retirement is a good thing in the long-term. I think our workforce is too large to be honest. What i mean is, there are too many useless positions out there that exist for the sake of employing people.
We managed to get as far as we did when there were one-income families. That tells me that we could get by with a lot less workers.
Not every workplace is the same, and people at smaller firms are more likely to be overworked and underpaid, but overall there has to be a lot of dead weight. - pradaaddict, on 06/28/2008, -2/+5with the high employee turnover rate and fast pace of business these days, two years sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I rarely see a middle manager last more than 4 years in the same position
- spekesel, on 06/28/2008, -2/+5Gen-Y more and more reminds me of watching a childrens TV show
"Kick the ball!"
*kick*
"You win!, Everyone Wins!!!" - boothin8or, on 06/28/2008, -0/+3Yeah, but if you'd take a kid in every once in a while and teach him the ropes and some hard lessons, maybe he'd learn what it means to work rather than keeping that knowledge with you to your grave.
- bungoman, on 06/28/2008, -1/+4Are you kidding me? With the rare exception most jobs take far less than two years to prove yourself in. Obviously if you want to be a lawyer or doctor that's not the case, but for your average paper pushing job, being stuck at the bottom for more than two years is ridiculous. Especially when most people could easily find a better job if they weren't so afraid to go out and look. I'm not saying people should be promoted to management after 6 months or anything silly like that. But the idea of paying your dues for the sake of paying your dues is insulting.
- lookupandy, on 06/28/2008, -0/+3I think 2 years sounds about right...
I also think it's easier to move from an entry-level job if you change companies after a year or 2 of training. I did a graphic design degree, and our head lecturer advised us to stay in our first job no longer than 1.5 years, to prevent being stuck in a junior position.
Seems to have worked for me - motters, on 06/28/2008, -0/+3A fairly vacuous article. These points would apply equally well to anyone joining the workforce within the last 30 years.
- Barackalypse, on 06/28/2008, -2/+4Once, it had metal in its lip and nose and I couldn't tell if it was a boy or a girl, and I think it worked for some indie music promotion company.
- praisethelard, on 06/28/2008, -0/+2How about we just start referring to everyone by the year they were born rather than come up with crazy subcategories? Hi, I'm an 87er.
- johnmearns, on 06/28/2008, -1/+3I'd settle for a 40 hour work week. The standard in IT today seems to be salary and 10 hour+ days. One of my peers was describing the perks of his job as them giving him a cell phone and a laptop. Horray I get to work all the time. At a recent job interview I had the supervisor describe the position to me as "I think of work as coming in for the meetings, then when I get home I can do my work."
- WiseAcre, on 06/28/2008, -0/+2That depends if you consider our unsustainable fossil fuel farming systems, remember ;)
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