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- EBFoxbat, on 04/21/2008, -1/+223Ironic how how "Plain old HTML" is on the list when the site can't even pick a standard h# and it's loaded with iframes.
- getsaf, on 04/21/2008, -2/+82Wow, this is a horrible article. There is no way you would want to leave off HTML knowledge from your resume.. Contrary to what this guy says, COBOL is still used in tons of big-business software, IBM (of course), Tons of banking databases, credit card services, mortgage services, and state/county level government uses the hell out of COBOL. Some of the others, I agree with, but you wouldn't want to leave that information off of your resume.
- inactive, on 04/21/2008, -2/+74Pain old html? html is the backbone of everything you can't have a webpage without an HTML tag. Try it the w3c will fail your website.
- meruru, on 04/21/2008, -1/+65But my Microsoft Certification from computertraining.com will still get me the big bucks right?
- Aitese, on 04/21/2008, -4/+66Short version...there's no demand for those skilled in defunct technology.
- dave122, on 04/21/2008, -2/+46So if you stopped gaining new skills 5 years ago, you are still worth the same amount as you were 5 years ago? shocking....
- aladrin, on 04/21/2008, -2/+38But that actually fits in with the article: Good HTML skills would not have helped him get that job. He got the job perfectly fine with his crappy skills.
Honestly, he shoots himself in the foot with that, though, since he says Ajax -is- needed and you can't do Ajax without HTML. And of course he's just wrong about the legacy programming. Legacy programmers get BIG bucks because not many have those skills any more.
If the title had been '5 it skills that won't boost you salary in your current position if you learned them today', he might have been correct. - tehnico, on 04/21/2008, -5/+40Plain old HTML shouldn't be on your resume, It should be a given that you know it. Just like, knowing how to take notes, or make coffee in the morning. That being said, not knowing it would be equal to not knowing how to use a keyboard, depending on the position of course.
In the end, all resumes and cover letter should be tailored to each job application. - donkz, on 04/21/2008, -1/+31Most important skill in IT is to understand something besides IT so you can apply IT to it.
- Kenzan, on 04/21/2008, -4/+31Item # 5:
PC tech support
This is *****.
There will ALWAYS be a need for "on site" Desktop support.
But I guess this poll didn't include fortune 500 companies.
Dugg down for being our of touch. - BXRWXR, on 04/21/2008, -3/+29000100 IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
000200 PROGRAM-ID. HEYWORLD.
000300
000400*
000500 ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
000600 CONFIGURATION SECTION.
000700 SOURCE-COMPUTER. RM-COBOL.
000800 OBJECT-COMPUTER. RM-COBOL.
000900
001000 DATA DIVISION.
001100 FILE SECTION.
001200
100000 PROCEDURE DIVISION.
100100
100200 MAIN-LOGIC SECTION.
100300 BEGIN.
100400 DISPLAY " " LINE 1 POSITION 1 ERASE EOS.
100500 DISPLAY "I'm not dead yet!" LINE 15 POSITION 10.
100600 STOP RUN.
100700 MAIN-LOGIC-EXIT.
100800 EXIT. - bliz, on 04/21/2008, -1/+26Still, ajax uses either xhtml or html so, html is more like an implicit pre-requisite.
- bluesnowmonkey, on 04/21/2008, -0/+19Sure, it's a given with whoever you'll eventually interview with, but that's not necessarily the first guy you talk to. There are a lot of recruiters out there with great jobs to offer but absolutely no technical knowledge about what is involved. They sift through resumes matching keywords to those in the job descriptions. You get more calls if you put in those keywords.
- SocialPoison, on 04/21/2008, -1/+20One of the more ignorant articles I've ever read... Legacy systems are in trouble now because the people who wrote them are retiring. If you know how to hack that type of code, you can ask a pretty penny since so many high risk/visibility/usage applications use it. Supply and demand. Buried as retarded.
- underdog138, on 04/21/2008, -3/+21They could have just said that and saved us all some time.
In other news, water is wet. More at 11. - monahmat, on 04/21/2008, -1/+16Cobol is not dead. There are still a lot of companies willing to pay good money for people to program in it and do migrations. In 5 years maybe I will reconsider this, but right now there is money to be made for Cobol programmers.
- levelred, on 04/21/2008, -5/+20They forgot "personality"
- skribble, on 04/21/2008, -0/+15Sadly, as I've been interviewing people lately, HTML isn't something that should be assumed. there is a brief span of time when you may have assumed that. With crap like Adobe and MS promising tools that do HTML on the back end people no longer think they need this. I mean seriously look at the source of some webpages and you see automatically generated, unreadable crap. I've worked with a "Web Designer" who feels that the crap dump that comes out or Fireworks is HTML.
Of course I'd be interested in specifically HTML/CSS skills (People who lay everything out with Tables need no apply) - barc0de, on 04/21/2008, -2/+17They are right, I don't consider HTML to be a marketable skill - I consider it a fundamental necessity. I would never hire an AJAX programmer without HTML knowledge - that's just silly.
- inactive, on 04/21/2008, -1/+14Well, I am starting out on my IT journey. And, from what I see in most entry level ads, they still want A+ certs so that is what I've recently completed studying. Of course, this won't be the last certification...but I hardly see CompTIA certs as being a "has been" certification process.
- TheSpook, on 04/21/2008, -3/+15I was thinking the same thing about HTML. Hand-made static pages may be out, but you still need to know how to output what a browser renders. It's like saying, "Don't worry about learning English, just make sure the books you write are big sellers." (assuming the book is to be written in English)
- strictnein, on 04/21/2008, -1/+13It is, sort of:
"PC tech support
The Computer Technology Trade Association (CompTIA) reports that hardware skills and knowledge..."
A+ = CompTIA. - jlunski, on 04/21/2008, -1/+12How is it possible that PC Tech will ever die, as long as there is a PC to run the software a tech will be needed to un-clusterf#ck what users did to it.
- cubicledrone, on 04/21/2008, -3/+14Further proof that the people who make hiring decisions do not understand computers, have never understood computers, and are absolutely committed to never ever learning anything useful about computers. They prefer to make fun of geeks, call computer programmers losers, question their ability to find girlfriends, make jokes about living in the basement, make more jokes about being overweight and so forth.
The entire ***** economy runs on computers. Why is it so difficult for IT people to find work?
The fact that a misconfigured video card shuts down an entire division for a day and costs their company $145,000 in lost productivity leading to layoffs for ten employees and an insurance claim isn't really important, because they're just so much ***** better than you are because they refuse to understand what a memory address is.
The only skill that will boost your salary is recognizing that companies want top-level talent for free. If they can't have that, they'll hire someone 11,000 miles away sight-unseen with not one shred of proof they know how to spell "computer" and pay them thousands a month because it makes them look like a hero in the catered powerpoint festival management meeting. - Fordi, on 04/21/2008, -0/+10I do think it's ironic that 'plain old HTML' is devalued when it's still part of the base framework of Web 2.0. I've seen what a programmer can do without knowing best practices... and it hurts.
It's the little things that make a web programmer good: knowing when tables should and shouldn't be used*, knowledge of how abstraction *should* work, knowledge of what CSS is valid and how to get around those that aren't, the ability to leverage JS and backend (primarily PHP in my present environment) libraries without previous reference. It's all about knowing what you can do, so that you can work with your designers properly - not so much to make them aware of what can't be done, but the possibilities of what can be done within deadline**.
*No, tables should not be used for layout. That does not mean that there isn't a place for them - and trying to replace every deserved instance of a table with a crazy div-and-CSS monstrosity is retarded.
**That is to say, you can do anything, given enough time - but while innovation is important in every project, deadlines are more important than extreme innovation. - orlyfactor, on 04/21/2008, -4/+146. That "degree" from DeVry or ITT Tech.
- Avian00, on 04/21/2008, -6/+16Why is A+ certification not on this list?
- mehan, on 04/21/2008, -0/+10They're still needed, it's just that getting paid $10-$15 an hour is not appealing to most IT people.
- weeeezzll, on 04/21/2008, -2/+11#6 Entire resume consist of bulleted and comma separated list of acronyms and skills.
#7 Use the term "Web 2.0" when describing anything new on the internet that I don't understand.
#8 Social ineptness means I'm better at this than others
#9 Lack of grammar and spelling skills because i've got so much geek-ness packed into my brain.
#10 Reads Network World Magazine - longbow486, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1111? i cant wait that long
- TheSpook, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7> "Try it the w3c will fail your website."
Maybe he's a former Microsoft developer. - nighthwk1, on 04/21/2008, -1/+8What, are you just generating web apps in Frontpage?
Knowing how to write clean HTML (and CSS) is still absolutely necessary, especially when you're messing around with the DOM. - oldhick, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7I have no idea what nahsrocketeer75 or B1663r are talking about? Who was might? Netware maybe for a while... And how does this have anything to do with a PC vs a Mac?
- jspegele, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7True, but I think the point of the article (though it's not well stated) is that you're much better off with a resume that has XHTML, CSS, XML, etc. than just HTML. HTML is pretty much a given these days.
- inactive, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7And they will be VERY helpful at getting that first job.
- Fordi, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7Take HTML as a given, and you'll come up with people who simply don't know it. Meanwhile, the first question that should be asked is 'How would you lay out this site?', given a screenshot.
The second a table is mentioned, the interview is over. - stretch611, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6I do not know why the parent is being dugg down. He speaks the truth even though it is with an obvious (and justifiable) cynical attitude.
Every big company relies on computers, yet none of them want to pay for good help. They will pay however lower then minimum for people that do not know what they are doing and could make the problem worse. - EarthernJar, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7But don't forget: if you don't *want* to program COBOL (or any other language) at your next gig, be wary of putting it on your resume. I deliberately left Perl off mine cause I didn't want to get stuck fixing ppl's scripts at my new job.
- Vindicoth, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6Why the hell do people say " needless to say " and then.. say it?
- MoneyShot, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7Ignore all the retards who talk ***** about certs. I'm 30 years old and have more certs than I can remember. I was working at Best Buy as a PC Tech gaining some experience, but not enough to make my resume look attractive. I then took the A+ and passed and then started applying for tech jobs in the corporate world. Shortly thereafter, I landed a nice gig that got my foot in the door. From there, I studied up on networking while also gaining real-world experience by assisting the network guys as often as possible. Eventually I passed my Novell CNA exam, CompTIA Network+, and MCSE (NT 4.0, which should tell you how long ago this was). I was then promoted from PC tech to the company's "Professional Services" division, which meant I wore a tie more often, meet with customers, and earned a hell of a lot more money. Today, I am an IT Manager making a good amount of loot with a company I love. I haven't kept up on my certs (my last one was for Citrix Metaframe 1.8) because I haven't had to. My resume is packed full of experience and documented results. But it was the certs that got my foot in the door and allowed my career to take off.
- MrZaiko, on 04/21/2008, -8/+14I logged in just to digg you down my friend
- MoneyShot, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6Good PMs are worth their weight in gold. IT people are among the most egocentric people I've ever worked with and are extremely hard to manage effectively. Everyone is 100% certain that their favorite technology is the best solution and will throw a tantrum if they feel that their superior intellect is being under appreciated. A great PM can effectively juggle all those egos and keep the team excited and organized enough to product results. They don't need to be tech gurus; they only need to know how to manage said gurus.
- inactive, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7Don't need to know about printers? Printers are the biggest pain in the butt, someone is always crying about stuff not printing.
- echo2501, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6HTML is such a broad topic. I try to be specific saying "Semantic HTML4 / XHTML1". Separates those that use paragraphs for paragraphs and paragraphs for blocks with extra space below it.
- stretch611, on 04/21/2008, -2/+8bluesnowmonkey is right. If you do not put HTML on your resume, you will not get a web job. There are two many companies using a computer to scan resumes and unless you match 10 out of 10 skills you will not get a call for and interview let alone a job.
- misterE0, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7isn't that encompassed by PC Tech Support?
- EvolutionTheory, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5Brilliant!
Biggest complaint I receive from end-users. Some IT Nerds with no social skills don't realize that IT is there to SUPPORT business and users.. the users aren't there to support IT. - garvallagh, on 04/21/2008, -1/+6??? your not serious right, programmers are a plague on the network, id have yours all VLAN'ed off somewhere and stuck in a shed, always pissing about with the registry, ***** up my servers with yer fancy pants code, testing it without the users involvement, hmmm now that i think about it im going to pop upstairs and get those guys a coffee for keeping me in a job
- TheSpook, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5Don't underestimate clueless HR screeners and/or search software looking for keywords in your resume.
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