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- Raptor007, on 11/27/2008, -7/+219The HDCP chip isn't the problem; this could potentially be a good thing, as it would make the MacBook physically capable of adhering to Blu-ray's licensing requirements for 1080p transmission.
The problem here is that Apple's made software changes to artificially limit what can be accomplished on non-HDCP monitors. There is no reason why iTunes should prevent playback to these displays!! (This reminds me of DVD Macrovision and the inability to playback DVDs on PCs with non-compliant composite output ports.. ugh.)
Though I am a Mac fan, I wholeheartedly endorse this boycott. (I'm typing this from my beloved 2007 MacBook Pro, which has a fully-capable DRM-free DVI-I port.) - ptta, on 11/27/2008, -3/+99First of all the Blu-ray's licensing requirements for 1080p transmission are simply intrusive. That's why i stick with watching only TorrentTV - best shows 720p on demand ;)
- Joh739, on 11/26/2008, -6/+86". The new MacBooks contain a hardware chip that prevents certain types of display being used, in an effort to plug the analog hole. "
What?! This reminds me about a video about trusted computing(YT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0FAaah8jgY ). - zeblith, on 11/27/2008, -11/+82That's like saying go gay so that you don't have to worry about pregnancy.
- schestowitz, on 11/27/2008, -9/+64It's a manufacturing defect(ive by design). Also ask Apple why they attack Free software now: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/11/apple-confuse ...
- mattearle, on 11/27/2008, -1/+54Or you can just download .MKVs in 1080p. Unless you have a Jumbotron at your house the 720p version is almost indistinguishable from the 1080p and about 1/5th the download size.
Dear DRM
You keep lobbing your crap our way, we'll keep hitting back a more consumer friendly, free and non-DRMd product out of the park.
Signed,
Pirates - TheKitchenSinkX, on 11/27/2008, -7/+55Dugg in support. This is silly.
- smmakira, on 11/27/2008, -3/+50I'll digg anything that's Anti-DRM. This is just dumb. If I bought it I should be able to watch it on my old RCA UHF black and white TV if I really wanted to. Granted it would look like total horse *****. :)
- holloway, on 11/27/2008, -1/+45Exactly, just as XKCD said: http://xkcd.com/488/
- inactive, on 11/27/2008, -2/+40DRM? LOL Don't be a ***** chump. Use BitTorrent FFS.
Scenario 1: Pay your money, get shafted with DRM.
Scenario 2: Don't pay anything, use BitTorrent and you're free to do anything you want.
It's not rocket science people. - Zippo, on 11/27/2008, -7/+44If you don't like DRM, blame the movie and music industries... they're the people that want to treat customers like criminals.
Since Apple sells and distributes music and movies on their behalf, you can bet that the RIAA/MPAA hounds are barking at them to either lock up their systems or lose deals.
That said, ***** DRM. Anything that prevents me from watching/listening to my -legally- purchased music/movies/TV is going to force me to pirate *****. - rocketryguy, on 11/27/2008, -11/+39I just bought a Mac Pro, so that I could get it before they put this utterly ***** technology into that lineup. I will not buy the new macbook pro, and I'm hoping that a consumer revolt does indeed inform the industry of where not to go.
- kronix2, on 11/27/2008, -6/+33"It's a false rebellion -- Apple isn't any more DRM-friendly and may actually be less."
What? Apple's ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL relies on DRM.
* OSX is DRM'd to prevent you installing it on non-Apple hardware.
* The motherboard inside every Mac has an EFI chip which exists purely to be detected as a Mac motherboard by OSX. No EFI chip and OSX refuses to install, despite there being no technical reason why it shouldn't.
* the iTunes store is the world's biggest distributor of DRM'd material.
* the iPhone and Touch are DRM'd to prevent you running apps Apple doesn't allow on its App Store. This is to prevent apps which compete with Apple's apps from flourishing, or for offering for free what Apple charges for.
* the 6G iPod Classics have a new checksum whose *only* purpose was to break compatibility with third-party iPod sync tools, so you'd be forced to use iTunes.
It's safe to say that, without DRM, Apple wouldn't be anywhere near as successful. - c0nsigliere, on 11/27/2008, -3/+29Man, you people scared me! I thought I wouldn't be able to use my old VGA display with a new MB. But it affects only movies (and only specific ones - on nov, 26, apple limited it to 1080p-itunes-DRM-movies). So the problem lies with software, as raptor pointed out. Who cares about DRM-crippled iTunes stuff anyway?
- jakem1, on 11/27/2008, -3/+29What is wrong with you Apple apologists? How many times do they have to add DRM to their products before you'll realise that they're just as happy to have DRM as the record labels and movie studios?
Forget Steve Jobs's anti-DRM letter because it's meaningless. Judge someone by their actions, not their words. Apple continue forcing DRM-tainted products on you because of the lock in. Pure and simple. That's why:
- you need iTunes to sync your iPod
- you can only buy apps for your iPhone from the App Store
- You can't play HD content from iTunes on your Macbook
- You can't install OS X on any old hardware
- Most of the content available on iTunes is not DRM-free
Accept it and move on but please stop making excuses and telling the rest of us that one day everything will be alright once Apple take control. - JusTuring, on 11/27/2008, -1/+25the 21 century has new rules, the more people see your media the more money you can make ( see google), DRM is an out of age model
- NoozeHound, on 11/27/2008, -7/+29...from Starbucks?
- BinaryFragger, on 11/27/2008, -0/+21It's funny how the pirated versions are usually superior.
I watching the South Park Christmas DVD the other day, and the 'Main Menu' button was disabled during the previews (had to skip through them one by one). Then had to watch a couple minutes of warnings from the FBI and such, which are impossible to skip through.
Takes 5 minutes before you can finally start watching the damn thing.
I noticed several recent DVDs that come with a 'digital copy' of the film. I can just imagine the DRM these come with. - xscraped, on 11/27/2008, -4/+24don't buy drm material. its that easy.
- lukas88, on 11/27/2008, -2/+20I agree but I would take it one step further. Apple has shown a pattern of restrictiveness in their products ever since their conception. We have seen it in the (artificial) incompatibility of their hardware with other hardware, the difficulty of using ipods without the required software, their stranglehold over who can develop for their products, the way they champion DRM, and now this (among many other things). No amount of superior product design can overshadow their greedy, crapping on the consumer type of business practices. They make Microsoft, the runner up in *****-tastic consumer mindfulness, look like a cherubian open source community.
Extend the boycott indefinitely, or at least until they turn a new leaf (so, indefinitely). To do otherwise just because you can't live without their hyped up design is like being infatuated over the design of the handcuffs as you sit in the back of a police cruiser. - dashwarts, on 11/27/2008, -12/+29Once again ridiculously old macs are high-end powerhouses thanks to these stupid crippling chips. I guess this is why QuickTime doesn't work through an aluminum iMac's headphone jack.
The whole reason other than the price tag I'm against Apple these days is this outrage. It's been in the back of my head for quite a while. I was having the time of my life in the 68k days, but now Apple's rotten to the core!
Also, down with Blu-Ray!, PVP means you need to bribe to stay alive in the industry, and say goodbye to fair use. If you liked macrovision "aaagh! my tape library is decaying and I can't resurrect it!", you'll love PVP "You &*^&*(%^&%&*(^ BD-Player! Play my ^&*%^@&*%*( movie or else!" - benitojuarez, on 11/27/2008, -4/+21Ive never been a really big fan of apple but they really dont have a choice for drm. If they want liscenses to give macs the ability of playing blu-ray and dvd etc they have to play ball with the drm game. Those are pushed by the media consortiums. Its the same thing microsoft had to deal with when implementing drm in vista. And the same thing sound card manufacturers deal with. Thats why you dont see sound cards that support multiplexing much anymore. The thing is that steve jobs is on the board of disney which is also very stringently pro drm. Unique situation but still even "mighty" apple has to bow to the music and movie industries if they want access to those catalogues.
- kronix2, on 11/27/2008, -1/+17Why didn't Microsoft get the same level of understanding when the Vista DRM scare stories were floating around?
There are still idiots who insist that "it's not Apple fault they have to support DRM" while simultaneously lambasting Vista as being DRM-infested. - WoollyMittens, on 11/27/2008, -0/+15With DRM our corporate benefactors are holding our culture hostage.
The solution of course is piracy. They stole our culture away by calling it intellectual property and selling it back to us piecemeal. Now we'll have to steal it back. - inactive, on 11/27/2008, -1/+15Remember the outrage about DRM in Vista from Apple fanboys? Just go back and read the comments on any of the Vista stories on digg.
Now it's the same Apple fanboys saying "oh it's not apple's fault". But I guess it is MS's fault with MS does it. Apple fanboys' hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. - kronix2, on 11/27/2008, -3/+16Why is this idiot being dugg up? DRM is most certainly built into OSX.
What do you think happens when you play a DRM'd audio or video file, or you play any DVD or Blu-ray disc? The OS has to support playing the file in a way which prevents easy capturing of the analogue source. OSX supports CSS, AACS, BD+ and FairPlay, off the top of my head. That's four draconian, anti-consumer DRM standards out of the box.
OSX and Vista are identical in the way they handle DRM'd content, and they both have DRM built into the OS.
Let's not forget that Apple uses an EFI chip to artificially prevent you from installing OSX on non-Apple hardware. Not only is DRM built into OSX, but it's built into every Mac's motherboard. - xenotek, on 11/27/2008, -1/+13Thumbs up for making an informed contribution and having a Marathon avatar
- boydrew, on 11/27/2008, -1/+13with your hybrid parked outside, containing a bag of pot in the glove compartment...
- brownking, on 11/27/2008, -6/+18The new version of Quicktime and Itunes largely fixes this bug...
- dhughes, on 11/27/2008, -5/+16 Apple is worse than Microsoft, since the hardware we use these days is mostly used for media; video, audio, graphics and Apple computers have historically leaned heavily towards the arts, it's a clash that seems to be getting worse.
It's bizarre to make the Mac OS kernel based on FreeBSD when it seems to contrast with Apple's increasing anti-open source and pro-DRM stance. The fact Apple makes the hardware and the software also gives Apple much greater control over telling you what you can do with your data rather than you deciding on your own, media corporations come first.
Apple products may look nice but there's something rotten inside Apple corporation's philosophy. - shroomling, on 11/27/2008, -6/+17I have a black 13'' macbook, and was very keen on one of the new macbooks until now. No way will I be buying it now.
- kronix2, on 11/27/2008, -2/+12"Unless you have a Jumbotron at your house the 720p version is almost indistinguishable from the 1080p and about 1/5th the download size."
A 1080p MKV film is usually 8gb, while a 720p MKV movie is usually 4-5gb. Although 720p looks great on a 1920x1200 24" monitor, it's worth grabbing the 1080p rip for future-proofing. - RedShoulder, on 11/27/2008, -4/+14So, you rushed out to buy what is essentially and end-of-life product, because of the DRM issue, in the hopes that the one company that makes this product magically comes to their senses in a year or two and builds something you could upgrade to later? Maybe?
*head explodes* - 3leggedHorse, on 11/27/2008, -0/+10Treacherous computing.
- daradib, on 11/27/2008, -0/+10The trusted computing video's site (with high-quality video downloads): http://www.lafkon.net/tc/
- ceraphin, on 11/27/2008, -10/+20well this just changed my christmas laptop plans
- geoken, on 11/27/2008, -0/+9"There are still idiots who insist that..."
You don't even have to look past the comment section of this story to find them. I've already read multiple comments were people are complaining about how this isn't as bad as Vista (even though Vista's DRM is on the software level and Apple's is actually using a hardware chip). - pcgeek101, on 11/27/2008, -25/+34Buy Dell instead of Apple, and then you won't have to worry about DRM.
- srg13, on 11/27/2008, -0/+9Apparently only the very first generation Intel Macs had trusted computing chips in them... This is about a HDCP capable video card, which is, well, pretty much in every graphics card...
- badlogik, on 11/27/2008, -7/+16You guys are not really that informed on DRM are you? HDCP compliance is put into all sorts of hardware, monitors, game systems, other computers, and so on. Yes, it is horrible, but it is not necessarily Apple's fault.
- Morghin, on 11/27/2008, -3/+12Dugg for the good cause.
Let's play dominoes. Show one brick that we don't like DRM and hope it takes the next brick when it falls. - kronix2, on 11/27/2008, -1/+10"Stop hating on Apple people, Vista has even more HDCP protection built in"
How can you have "even more" HDCP support? Either you support the standard or you don't. Both OSX and Vista support HDCP, and both will refuse to play back your legally purchased content at the behest of the studios.
Why can't the Apple zealots see that Apple are just as "evil" as Microsoft? Both want their OS's to support Blu-ray, so both incorporated HDCP support into their OS's. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. - inactive, on 11/27/2008, -0/+8Nah, I don't live in the US, the content industry hasn't infiltrated our government like it has yours.
Ain't freedom grand! - aaarrrggghhh, on 11/27/2008, -2/+10Another option is to buy the CD and rip it yourself, then you have future proofing and legit licence (i assume). It's just a shame they try to screw us with CD prices in the first place.
I think the P2P world would be far smaller if the music industry had smelt the coffee early on and dropped the cost of CDs, I do still buy CD now, even for stuff I have on MP3, but if they were £5 - £8 at release I'd buy a hell of a lot more!
Robbing bastards. - xscraped, on 11/27/2008, -1/+9you never have to buy movies music and games. you may want to you never have to.
more so there are ways around it without giving drm proponents the benefits. - Commodus, on 11/27/2008, -1/+9QuickTime doesn't work through an iMac's headphone jack? What?
I have an aluminum iMac, and audio certainly comes through my headphone jack when I play videos in QuickTime.
Sounds more like you're confused than anything. - abbathdoom, on 11/27/2008, -5/+12While I am in no way defending Apple's actions, I do think people forget that it takes two to tango and if the media dinosaurs weren't so in love with DRM to protect their outdated business models I don't think we would see Apple pushing it either.
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 11/27/2008, -4/+11A software patch has been released that will let iTunes play SD content, so that's something.
And yes, this is *****, but something tells me that Apple has been wrestling the Blu-Ray guys at Sony for a long time and had to make this concession. - mrBitch, on 11/27/2008, -3/+10@Murdats RE: " the requirements apple helped create you mean? "
You idiot, unless Warner Bros and 250 OTHER member companies were ALSO "helping with the requirements" then Apple was not even a major part of the Blu-ray development process.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Blu-ray+ ... :
" The "Blu-ray Disc Founder" was founded in May 2002 by nine leading electronic companies: *****, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, Samsung and Sony as contrast to the DVD Forum.
Spearheaded by NP Infotech on February 19th 2002 the companies announced [2] they were the "Founders" of the Blu-ray Disc and later changed their name to the "Blu-ray Disc Association" on May 18, 2004. " - magamiako, on 11/27/2008, -2/+9Where? Where does it have even "more HDCP" protection built in? It's the same HDCP protection across the board, otherwise, the players wouldn't exactly fit the "standard" and wouldn't be able to play the content, now would they?
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