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- Changa, on 08/06/2008, -0/+19Good thing mac addresses can't be changed or this would be much harder. *Sarcasm*
- Conwaysb0718, on 08/06/2008, -1/+17illogical response: we should issue IP addresses like social security numbers!
- JakeW, on 08/07/2008, -1/+14***** the RIAA
- rtaibah, on 05/22/2009, -2/+14No biggie, just sue all 40... They are gonna lose the case anyways...
- diemunkiesdie, on 08/06/2008, -0/+11The school shouldn't have to upgrade it's data retention system! The school has a system that records just enough information that they can do network trouble shooting, plus they don't have enough data to help the RIAA! The school has a great system!
- Kisama, on 08/06/2008, -0/+8Good thing for them the school isn't running IPv6
- Khast, on 08/07/2008, -0/+3Watch it, the RIAA sues the school...and they give them an option... don't allow p2p, or pay the fine.
- sysop073, on 08/07/2008, -0/+2"we will work with the school to determine the most reasonable course of action to prevent further abuse of its network"
That selfless RIAA, taking time out of its busy schedule to help protect campus networks - hexydes, on 08/07/2008, -0/+2They're probably all guilty anyway. Might as well sue them all.
Hell, most college students are probably guilty. Might as well just send them the entire database of the student body. In fact, when you get right down to it, most people in America own computers...that right there is probably evidence enough for the RIAA to convict everyone. They should just bring a case RIAA vs. America to trial.
Really, the RIAA are the victims here... - Nero9171, on 08/07/2008, -1/+3***** you RIAA
- ericlander, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Ironic. We'll bork American students while Google's promoting free music in China. Ass backwards, FTW.
- kd420, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Just another stumbling block in the RIAA's stupid lawsuits. It seems like they are just taking wild stabs and hoping people pay up, rather than ensuring that they are finding the people responsible. The RIAA doesn't want the people doing the downloading to pay, they want _someone_ to pay, it is trivial to them whether the person is guilty or not.
- hexydes, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Oh God, don't give them ideas...
- joshualamgroup, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Yeah. What can RIAA do now? Create a fingerprint scanner on mouses to track people?
- sysop073, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Or one person goes on Digg.com and posts about how his school is screwing over the RIAA when his profile clearly says where he goes, and the RIAA gets pissed off enough and starts bribing kids on campus to watch LAN traffic
- rompom7, on 08/08/2008, -0/+1@Giga: Obviously. But, they did not spoof their MAC address before they got listed as a suspect.
What I am saying is there's no point in spoofing your MAC address after you've been suspected, they will inevitably check your computer. - airwalkery2k, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1The school might as well just send the court a copy of the student phone book.
- Giga, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1If you spoof the MAC address, they will be looking for an address not associated with your hardware. You can hide in plain view by offering the hardware and getting a clean bill of health.
- xerox, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Seriously? He even put *Sarcasm*....
- 1729, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1To clarify further, they aren't reused.
Q20: Are Social Security numbers reused after a person dies?
A: No.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html - UnleashX, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0"One way to solve this problem from the RIAA's perspective would be tighter record-keeping and networking monitoring by the schools themselves."
Another way being for the RIAA to stop trying to extort money of America's youth ... these kids re already paying a fortune for college... - ZachSka87, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0That was actually a really terrible explanation about how things work (even for a brief overview).
No thanks.
Are you Network+ certified? Please tell me "no." Because you need to go back to the manual if you are. - crbrocket, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0This is what I was thinking, why keep these records anyway more than say 30 days, there is no law requiring them to do so. Hell 0 day is what they should aim for considering no one requires them to keep this information. If the RIAA comes asking just tell them you don't have that data and they can't do ***** about it. Imagine if this happened behind a larger NATed network with 100-200 students, no way in hell they could trace it unless they log everything going through the gateway. This is idiotic, the data is unreliable and should not be admissible in court. The easiness with which someone could forge this data is incredible. Someone needs to show a judge how long it takes to do mac address spoofing on a university wireless. The majority I've seen have no encryption until a vpn is enabled, nothing says you have to use a vpn considering it's Windows only in a lot of cases. (SSH Proxy is what I use.).
- crbrocket, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0Already done and old. There are so many shared drives in Dorm networks it's hillarious. But don't go and give the RIAA the idea of snooping on that either :)
- NCg8r, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0"You cannot govern honest men."
- NCg8r, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0Because a law will be passed that ties their Federal funding to compliance with the Black Hand (I mean the RIAA and MPAA)
- ZachSka87, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0IPv6 isn't as needed as everyone says it is, that's why no one's really embraced it yet.
- Giga, on 08/07/2008, -1/+1Do you really have to post that everywhere? We already know who the ***** they are...
- wolferz, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0@rolcol
Yes, actually, it can. Since ipv6 offers more combinations than the population of the entire human race we could assign every human alive an ip address and have many times that much left over.
That said it would be an extremely bad idea due to issues of privacy and, of course, difficulties with fraud. TCP/IP wasn't designed to offer secure identification of hosts, only a rudimentary "return to sender" style "originator ip" that can easily be faked.
Also there is the logistical issue of people trying to actually use their ip when not on their computer or internet service. It could be done with some sort of secure pen drive for identification and a os implementation for grabbing the IP... but on the back end would require a complete restructuring of how ip addresses are assigned.
Technically ipv6 can support it. Logistically it would be a nightmare. - hexydes, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0Generation Y may be all but braindead when it comes to finances, but the RIAA sure is doing a good job of making them experts at learning about our legal system...
- jaxter2010, on 06/17/2009, -0/+0Do you know what fear mongering means, or did you just hear the other kids use it and thought it sounded cool?
- BrokenCircle, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0You try to hard.
- dougmc, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0It's a bit tricky to explain. I could have just linked to the CIDR page on wikipedia --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domai ...
but it doesn't really do a good job of explaining why it's important.
Either way, it would be easy to give everybody their own personal IP address with IPv6. But actually routing these addresses would be very impractical. An infrastructure that allowed routing these addresses in a practical way could be made ... but it wouldn't be IP.
As for your Network+ remark, well, if you think I'm wrong, by all means, correct me. The explanation was let than perfect, I'll admit that, but that doesn't make it inaccurate. (And no, I don't need no steenkin' certifications.) - JasonMath, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0Or one person just hooks up his external hard drive or flash drive to anyone who wants his or her music. Even that produces faster "download" speeds than most cable internet (even unthrottled).
- graemee, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0>the school should downgrade it's data retention system
Fixed, no more RIAA bugging them so they can continue with real work. Seriously, why should they collect this data? - GilbertZ, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0Why don't they just sue everyone in teh state and offer them a generous settlement? Maybe someone was passing by campus and downloaded a song that put the janitor who cleans up after the guitarist out of work.
- jamesdew, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0I don't think they are actually trying to make money from these court cases, I think they are just trying to tell people. If someone hears, "mr X's son was downloading music and his son got a $500,000 fine" then mr Y will soon stop his son/daughter doing the same.
- PopcornDave, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0Or one person goes out and buys a physical copy of a CD, charges each person 50 cents to make a copy of it, then turns around and sells it to the used record store. Not a damn thing that the RIAA can do about that either.
- Burn, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0*too
- Burn, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0I think I may actually change my MAC address to that...
- DforSpiD, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0no, it's mouses when talking about a computer mouse
- PopcornDave, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0They may admit that, but what beyond the RIAA's bitching and moaning do they need longer data retention for anyway? Are they having other problems on their network that they're not letting out to the public?
- PopcornDave, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0I'm sure you've heard the old story of the man who picks up the snake in winter because the snake is cold and is surprised when the snake bites him to which the snake replies "what did you expect, I'm a snake"
Do you believe that there is any parity that could be achieved that would satisfy the public *and* the record companies with a severely decaying business model that they're continually pumping full of formaldehyde? - pigfister, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0lets not for get who is actually behind the MPAA - RIAA these are the companies that need to be targeted and boycotted into changing their ways.
Name and shame the companies as all the **AA trade group name is for is to protect the ***** capitalist corporate globalist wankers from bad press.
The BPI Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The RIAA Soundexchange Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The IFPI Are: The same anti consumer lot as listed above!
The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX. - inactive, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0.taht dnoces I
- pigfister, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0lets not for get who is actually behind the MPAA - RIAA these are the companies that need to be targeted and boycotted into changing their ways.
Name and shame the companies as all the **AA trade group name is for is to protect the ***** capitalist corporate globalist wankers from bad press.
The BPI Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The RIAA Soundexchange Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The IFPI Are: The same anti consumer lot as listed above!
The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX. - jaxter2010, on 06/17/2009, -0/+0Here is why the RIAA will never win. Most college students are smarter than their RIAA counterparts. For example, since between everyone on campus there is every song ever created, we would just trade songs over the LAN and avoid the internet completely. There is nothing the RIAA can do about that.
- weebit, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0I hope that is sarcasm.
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